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It's still a form of opinion, what makes something good or bad is actually one persons opinion on what makes a product good or bad. It's then interpreted and taken on board by everyone else and later seen as fact when in fact it all boils down to that one person or group of peoples opinion. 

Using the Sonic fan film as an example, one person may think a lack of story progression is a bad thing whereas someone else may think it's good because it doesn't distract from the action, which some people might prefer. (and yes, I'll say it has a lack of story progression, not story full stop. There is a very rich story to it at the start, it explains how Mobians came to exist on Earth, how humans encountered them and what Robotniks motives are, it just didn't progress from there).

 

But whether something's good or bad often depends on opinion anyway,

Hum...no. If you can like the style of a film for exemple is related to an opinion. The quality of the writting, the presentation or things like that are not in any way related to opinion.

 

I didn't say the movie was bad because it's ''my opinion'', but because the movie is legitimately bad. We have standard that define of what is considered good and what's not. To be honest, i don't care about people opinion on the matter, just as much as people probably don't care about my opinion. And i don't mind that, since opinion doesn't mean anything here.

 

I have mention the reason why this movie wasn't good earlier. These are the flaw i notice from this film. You can ignore them, you can fail to notice them, you can denied them, but these flaw will still be there, and the movie will still suffer from it. If these flaw don't bother you, then it's entirely up to you. But you can't used the ''it's an opinion'' as an argument on this.

 

Ok, look, bad writing, acting and luckluster story: trust me, all the Sonic games and Sonic X (all official parts of the franchise) have much worse writing, acting and story, it's what the majority of Sonic fans hate most about them. I also understood that the film we've seen was actually a form of teaser for a project that was never completed which is why the story goes a bit all over the place, however, the start, especially the explanation of why Mobians are there, was very good for a fan production. This is why I disagree with your opinion that you claim isn't an opinion on these things, I know for a fact it's really not that bad in these areas because I've seen much worse from the franchises own creators on countless occasions therefore that side of the hate is unnecessary.

I already said about the fact the CG doesn't fit onto the live action properly in my first post in this thread, that was one of my only niggles. The models themselves, however, were actually VERY good for a fan production. The only downside there was Sonics front mouth but, as I already stated, it's much easier to animate mouths that way. 

It would appear, by what you said in your initial response, that you haven't seen many fan productions. I may be wrong, in which case I'm sorry but that's the impression I got. Trust me, decent ones are very hard to come by and this isn't the worst by a long shot, again, making all the hate unjustified.

 

Nobody in the gaming industry has a perfect record with games.  Just because they made a bad game or two doesn't mean their opinions are less valid. 

Yeah, maybe, but saying Yuji Naka like the film doesn't mean it's good.

 

It's not because i like the 1993 Super mario Bros movie it mean it's good. It simply mean that i like a terrible movie. Same thing apply with the Sonic fan film: If someone like it, doesn't mean it's good for sure.

Yeah, everyone has at least one bad creation in every industry, doesn't make them a bad person or stop their opinion from mattering. Everyone makes mistakes, he's only human, after all.

Opinion has no value on the quality. If a movie is bad, it's bad. It's not like i could choose the quality or anything. If someone hate a good film and someone love a bad one, the opinion still hold no value whatsoever.

 

Steven Speilber for exemple has made bad movie in his career. His bad movie remain bad movie and his good movie remain good movie.

 

But whether something's good or bad often depends on opinion anyway, it's up to the fans to decide whether they agree with Yuji Nakas opinion or not, him saying he likes it doesn't mean it's good or bad. On the same note, him making one or two bad games has absolutely no relevance to anyones opinion on a film, this was our points. There was absolutely no reason to bring that fact up within that context, especially since no one actually said that his opinion meant the film was good, the person who mentioned Yujis opinion simply said it means much to them, meaning they choose to agree with him.

 

Surgeon Simulator : Knothole.

 

Best video game idea ever!

 

Someone mod it, now!