TheRedStranger

The first Fan-Fic to ever be finished through here on FUS!

 

Kudos for your commitment, Bytor! And, your excellent work. You're a shining example to the rest of the fic-writers here!

[Multiple Citations needed.]

 

There is a lot of statements being asserted throughout this thread that we should have links to verify, so in order to avoid rumor, libel, and to formulate more objective and constructive insights about the issues at hand. Frankly, many of you are too, as some have self-proclaimed , "too lazy" to source your posts and many of you have poured a lot of time and passion into your responses, yet frankly do not contribute anything of substance to further any constructive discussion, let alone offer any solutions . Let's remember the goal of discussion is to communicate and reach a edifying consensus and conclusion, not to nag, blab, bicker, and vent - if you want to do that probably you should make a vlog or perhaps argue to a wall with Pender's face drawn on it your favorite choice of crayon.

 

This man is a hero.

 

 

Thoughts?

 

I'll rick roll this board

 

 

Well I just Rick Rolled this board with a Rick Rolled board before you can even Rick Roll the board with your Rick Roll without a Rick Rolled board...b*tch.

 

 Sammy's old Empire of Dirt and his SoJ can burn...

 

 SoJ was "traumatized" when Madeline Shroder wrote out the creepy Madonna character and Sonic's corny appeals to a distorted steryotype of American tastes and made him more unique and timeless and gave him a continuity. Tom Kalinski and his American "Razor and Blades" model  of salesmanship and made Sonic and SEGA a house hold name with the Genisis/Sonic One bundle. The market crew forced Walmart's hand  by advertising the heck out of Arkansas (the heart of the big business) into selling the product despite Nintendo's blackmails to pull their own products if they sold SEGA's new system. Then they got the toy stores on their side, resisting Nintendo's dirty dealing Bottom line SoA made Sonic and SEGA what he was in design and publication, taking over the Market Share Nintendo had a monopoly on in the mid 90's. They helped broaden the industry, while SoJ and it's horrible business deals of constantly pumping hardware over quality software neutered the company by the time of the Saturn...The Dream Cast was doomed to fail because due to their technological myopia.

 

 Imagine what it would all be like if SoA stayed dominate and SoJ didn't fire Kalinski, the man who made the company sell in America (their target audience). He dared to question their bizzare hardware-fetish (Super Nintendo lasted longer than the CD-32X-Saturn). He told them to slow it down and to stick to one solid system so publishers could actually sell games for that said system for a profit rather than for the mere hardware.

 

SoA is hopefully coming back...SoA and Archie have been the only ones keeping Sonic alive despite all the emo Dopplegangers with guns and silly werehogs and lack of story. I hope SoA can give SoJ a stroke for all I care. Like Robert Kirkman's The Walking Dead, someone made a good idea and didn't know what to do with it, then messed up a well-selling comic in it's prime (read the fan letter some time, some reviewers now say it has descended in a "Red-neck game of thrones" and Kirkman admitted himself in a interview he messed up with maiming Rick). Luckily Kirkman's butt was saved by AMC came along, capitalized, and made it sale big time. SoA might  just be SoJ's AMC...

So far my consultancy and I have nearly 1000 pages of rough draft material. Enough for several multi-part episodes. We are finalizing the drafts soon. After we work on a lot of long-term continuity development we plan to hunker down on the first two episodes. So expect a lot more this Spring and Summer. 

 

In other news I will be posting some art work of EoT Super-Sonic soon as well as some more music!

Actually I have chided some very, very liberal people for hating on this commercial...The true issue is over the contention of pluralism and multiculturalism, not conservatism, which is too latitudinarian a term to use in this context understanding the social contentions behind this commercial: the original post is a classic straw man fallacy, most likely to vindicate the opposing party via the general accusation. For one I am very conservative, but what I conserve to is different than what another conservative might conserve thereto. As a Protestant Christian I adhere to Acts 17:26:

"[God] hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation..."

I believe we are of one blood. And when I saw this commercial I had happy tears. To me this was a company championing my worldview .

And for one you are generalizing...which is the very fallacy that breeds misunderstanding of others social, philosophical, and spiritual meta-narratives, which breeds dehumanization . You have committed the very same misdeed... I would argue that it's the distancing away from such standards as I have given above that is the ruination of our tolerance and acceptance of others. And that drawing lines in the sand is bad on either side of the line, including the accusers.

"You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." -Matthew 7:5.

We have a saying where I'm from: The more you stir up crap the more it stinks. You are being part of the problem - not the solution... Either you try to promote intercultural understanding or you make childish posts like this and spill salt in the open wounds of everyone.

i wanna learn how to draw better.

 

Then buy a sketch pad.

 

Buy some mechanical pencils.

 

A nice soft-white eraser and a kneaded eraser.

 

 And then PM me about where to find good advice, learning materials, and lessons.

 

Practice at least an hour and a half worth everyday (take 15 min breaks after each practice session while your hands are free, like when watching Game of Thrones.)

 

It's amazing how fast you can improve in just a few sittings.

 Yes it does, especially in the bigger picture and political climate. He said this on a non-sequitor interview, not on A&E itself. Now it looks like A&E is just trying to squash him and what he stands for (even though they allow what I have already mentioned). They, among other groups, don't want this specific opinion of his to be popularized and that fits this bill perfectly.

 

 As for ole big-mouth Bill, well that's awfully hypocritical of ABC...being incredibly leftist since it's early syndication history. But then again Maher's preachy demagoguery, straw-man verbal boxing, use of assertion and insult over dialogue and reasoning, his night militant bi-polarization of individuals, his idealogical witch-hunting, and his total lack of empathy and grace makes him a rather odious individual worth lancing, like a boil, an infected cyst, or say a testicular tumor. He has quite the tendency to attract neophyte moths to his sophomorically dim wit. As the old indian use to say, "big wind, lotsa thunder - no rain." I have many a friend both “left” and “right” in academia that despises that man for his media-hyping humbuggery... However, Phil Robertson was just being asked something outright, and he gave a concise answer and reflected on the issue. Unlike Maher he wasn’t on some constant hackneyed leftist jihad out to jib someone in their eye in, he was being interviewed, he was honest when it came up, and then he was thereby summarily judged for his beliefs.

 

 Pet cause? My, my, someone is being a bit testy (And pusillanimously euphemistic)... If you want to make personal attacks on all these above people’s 'pet-cuases' (their worldviews), Kef, grow a pair and say it out right… Broadly, I say it’s this ethical and ideological censorship and the media fuss it creates that is distracting us from more important issues. Moreover, it is erroding our freedoms and unity as a country.  When I look back though, seeing your assinine 'giving-in-to-the-bully' remark about healthcare and then even earlier your post ergo propter hoc argumentation about thermodynamics and photosynthesis pertaining to the hypothesis abiogenisis, I feel you have little ethos in such matters of argumentation, and lack the logos for intellectual debate, but you do have pathos, I give you that, like Maer you are very... pathological. 

 

 Please, for your own sake, start entertaining arguments and trying to understand where they are coming from, instead of insulting them (like you do Vlad) and correcting people like know more than them (which you do all the time)…I gave you the chance once to discuss an issue at length, in private, and via syntopical reading, but you were too "tired" (as if you couldn't somehow - I odn't know - rest between posts)... Callow and shallow remarks like the one above are just digging you into a deep hole.

 

 And to be fair, I'm gonna say Vlad's statments were a bit non-sequitor and inflamatory as well...just to be fair. Two wrongs don't make a right (though they make a left). *Rimshot*.

 Ben, I've corrupted you....

 

 Right now I have to break the news to my little autistic brother why his favorite show was cut off the air...

I wasn't being light hearted I was giving my distaste for the series. It wasn't a critique, but a basic description of my reasonings.
And I don't understand what that means.
And is Scooby-Doo and Mystery Inc really all that incomparable to Past Archie Sonic and Current Archie Sonic? They are both new twist on a old tale.

That's pretty much the bare-bones definition of what a critque is: a list of your reasons about the quality of a work.
Then comes an oppurtunity for learning...wait, I thought I told you this before.
Nha...I really don't feel you here Red. MIC and Archie Sonic are from very different medias, genres, creative/poltical-spheres, and personal franchise histories. For example Scooby Doo didn't Genisis Wave half of the plot and character development away from a story in mid-stride with a lack of resolution in the many plots given.

Except that doesn't matter when you still judged a change before it actually appeared and before you had the details and still told me not to judge something based on what I actually saw in the first episode because you claimed that wasn't enough to critique it. No matter how you slice that up, that is a bit hypocritical.
Secondly, the retcon was not completely in Archie's control AND Scooby-Doo already had multiple continuations of the series including but not limited to What's New Scooby-Doo and the Seven ghosts (or whatever it was called, which was also left unfinished) which Mystery Inc ignores.

I was ultimatly assessing the potentiality of an arc in comparison to another potential arc, not necessarily the quality of the single issue at hand. I find a lot more can be done and such can't be done because of...constraints. I fear too much has been droped and abandoned, and oversimplyfying has been confused as streamlining. I think the overall potentiality of Bunnie's arc is rather unoriginal (Robocop called...) and from my personal experience I find it of less subtextual worth than the obvious alternatives which are more tonaly relevant themes of Roboticization, which is a powerful symbol and staple of Sonic Lore. Overall I think better choice could have been made. And unlike you, I have not blown off an entire series (which I don't think is all that perfect). I am still reading the comics and hope, hope, hope enjoy them. I am just disillusioned with certain aspects. Is this a crime? When did this forum become the Archie Sanhedrin? Of what heresy am I charged?

Actually they do get into this...Flim Flam gets a moment.

Do note I take your words to heart Red. And I am willing to humbly correct my perceptions if you have objectivly revealed a distortion therein. I'm not here to get involved in a wizzing match, or a withchunt. I really don't think you understand the fullness of my position. Perhaps I have communicated it wrongly.

I believe that is a universal right. My only caveat is nobody gives a reason for their opinions anymore. They just assert and assume straw-man style... They just accuse and object.

As a person who has been a leader in many situations and positions, I can tell you are the biggest servant of them all. And you are the first to get chewed out for what happens in your ranks. Sally would indeed realistically feel the brunt of her actions a lot more than portrayed and she would be the first to blame when things went south. Sun Tzu says in his Art of War "If words of command are not clear and distinct, if orders are not thoroughly understood, the general is to blame. But if his orders are clear, and the soldiers nevertheless disobey, then it is the fault of their officers." Leaders get the shaft first an foremost, they orchestrate, the compose, of an endevour is the one who ultimately shapes it's outcome and the one who reaps the most consequence. 

 

 People would also blame some of the things Sonic does on Sally as well, for she is supposed to keep him in check as well everything else. This not that she is somehow magically superior to Sonic (no one is Superior to anyone, especially in morals...we all have sinned and fallen short. And one mistake is enough to be counted as such). 

 

 Realistically Sall should probably have some coping mechanisms (compressed vices) and tempermental as she is frayed with stress of being, for all intensive purposes, a General at the age of 16.

 You guys still haven't seen the third option? I'm waiting...

 

 No, Jtrsee, you can't really relate to such if you are a real amputee. I'm gonna ask my best friend (who is one due to a real-life accident) if he can relate to a person who gets super-powers from such a tramatic event. That lawn-mower blade didn't give him much, man...there was no magic deus ex machina to fix him up and make him stronger than before. But overcoming his personal obstacles did. He is one of the most spiritually strong people I know. I think a person like Oracle/Barbra Gordon from Batman is a better model for this type of Character-Arc. A super-powered amputee is kind of insulting - there are none in the real world after all... And the potential message we can get out of this is completely bassakwards to the overall tone we have read in Sonic for all these years: Look! You get to have superpowers if you cut off your limbs and become a cyborg! :/ Is Robotnik writing the comic now? Why hasn't every solider not cyborged themselves yet in the cuase to fight Egghead? They are already risking life, why not a limb?

 

 Please take this in to consideration, before you make another counter-argument. I feel you are not reall thinking my points through. You are making a lot of assumptions rather than arguments. I fear you you want this story to work, rather than admitting it's not...

 

 At least with Roboticization, it is seen as something that is deemed a curse of perversed technology, something unwillfully imposed on people. A half-machine character becomes a symbol of liberation and an arbitor and sign for the cuase of our heros. Also there is potential for that character to have to overcome sociatal conflicts (can we trust her?).  As a person who has a Special Need (I have Aspergers, a high-functioning anuerotypicallity),  the challange of overcoming things imposed on us seems better than an unrealistic applied phelbotinum empowering us instead of finding the power to overcoe a personal challange and then becoming stronger becuase of it happening. Funnily enough, though he is villan, Darth Vader is a great example of this in the book The Rise of Darth Vader.

 

For Bytor: Then the subtext, the spirit, the core, of the Ameican Canon is all but abadoned. I have already discussed the wieght of Satam's story, the words between the lines in the Satam Recontructed thread. Look up where I discussed the subtext of Satam.

 

 To me, Eggman is just another meglomaniac mad-scientist cliche. Robotnik's twisted industrial/modernistic/tolertarian vision of progress under his Big Brotherly regime is flattend to a two-bit Joker clone with a taste for tech that's not allowed spill blood, speak like a real villan, or be a true threat. Roboticization was an amazing way to add tension without throwing to much death in kids faces, and though it was wretched there was always the hope it could reversed and the moral issues that came with fighting those that were enslaved by Robotnik. There was an idealogical weight to the Satam conception of Sonic, it said something to the real world about the fualts of 20th century modernity and the ethical issues of technology and industry potentially damaging individuals, enviroments, and cultures. The subtle but profound message has been all but lost!