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While I kinda like the American or SatAM/Archie Sonic more, I'm still a Sonic Fan in general.  I have no problem with a Sonic movie that doesn't include the SatAM cast.  

Now if the movie sucks on the other hand...

 

Though a TL;DR version works just as well

 

Perhaps it works just to make a point about Penders' writing. But I think it's kind of unfair. It's like if I got a controversial film like say, The Devils by Ken Russell and showed a screenshot or clip of the most shocking scene in the movie and said "see? This is pornography!" rather than taking in the movie as a whole and saying "no this film has more to it than that, there's a reason for that content."

 

While this is true, these are just examples posted.  Of you'd get more if you'd analyze the comic, but in this case these are just supposed to be moments that felt wrong or out of place. 

However, while we're on the subject, I don't see anything wrong with the Sally forced to marry Ant thing, unless you're counting Max being out of character which he was kinda out of it anyways.  It's also not the first time he's done or said something rude/crazy/mean.

Sally is usually one of the firsts to put her personal needs or feelings aside for the "greater good".  In this case, the Kingdom needs a King....I don't know why it can't just have a queen but that's another debate all together....Sally would have to marry somebody so that there would be a royal family.  At this time Sonic has been stripped of his Knighthood, he is no longer considered worthy, and Sal and Sonic are on the outs at the time anyways.  

Also on the other hand, when Sally let's her emotions/feelings take charge over the "greater good" fans don't like it (example: Infamous Slap scene).  

So is this bad writing due to the situation (fans seeming not liking it done the other way) or is this just a bad situation?

In my opinion it's just a bad situation.  Everything was supposed to feel off, you weren't supposed to like where it was going, none of the characters did save anti-Ant, the only real downfall is that the ending was garbage as Elias just comes home which solves everything.  

And another for Jenny and the Wimp *Thok*

BARELY MADE IT!

War For Mobius Chapter 20 - https://www.fanficti.../War-For-Mobius

Just my 2 Mobiums 

 

Has it always been Mobiums?  I thought the currency was also called Mobians.

 

I, honestly, don't think a rebellion will happen.  If Sally is any indication, members of the monarchy were in the trenches with the civilians and managed to form friendships with such.

Ah but Sally's a good strategist not necessarily a leader. 

In SatAM they mention that SONIC is actually the leader, Sally just makes the plans, which Sonic being a butt ignores anyways.

While she may be a war hero, I don't think the people would trust the Monarchy who put Robotnik in position to take over in the first place again.  It only takes one mistake to bring down a dynasty.

 

Also...a civil war also seems unlikely.  Not only are the Mobians likely to be war-weary after the Great War and the Robotnik conflict, but one good thing came out of the Robotnik conflict because Robotnik actually gave the Mobian race (and possibly even the Overlanders who opposed Robotnik) a common enemy which they could all join against.  Whatever post Great War tensions might have existed before Robotnik would most likely have been shoved aside and over time forgotten in the name of a mutual goal.

Save for Griff's people who were totally willing to screw the Freedom Fighters so they could survive....

Ari who was totally willing to screw Sonic to save his people....

The Bikers who were totally willing to eat Antoine because....I dunno....Antoine is weird.....

The Wolf Pack who didn't trust Sally's group when they first arrived because they didn't want to be screwed over....

Sounds more like to me that the Mobians are still very divided.  Even the different resistance groups are willing to backstab each other for their own survival.  The enemy of my enemy does not make them my friend.

I think this would be outweighed by Robotnik's defeat being spearheaded by the royal heir. Sally would be seen as a hero, and I can't see any efforts to institute political reformation gaining much traction if they called for her losing much or all of her power. Consider how many presidents were elected due to their popularity as war heroes. 

 

Sally may be on the frontlines of the Knothole Freedom Fighters, but the Wolf Pack is loyal to Lupe, Griff's people are Loyal to Griff, and so on.  There are no promises that they'd fall in line behind Sally and the Kingdom of Acorn.  

 

Bear in mind that there's no indication that the people ruled by the Acorn line were discontent with their form of government.

Save for the fact they gave pretty much all military power to Robotnik who then took over the whole planet....that's surely not a reason to mistrust someone...

Humans mistrust Presidents or Presidential Candidates for the stupidest reasons, I don't think Mobians would be any different.  

And honestly if they whine is bad you throw it out, the Government screwed up, it's time for a change. 

 

As such, I suspect that after Robotnik is gone the new monarchy would form a council composed of members of the general public to voice their opinions on whatever concerns pop up.

This happened in the comics....and they elected Naugus head of the Council so that plan backfired.

No but seriously, in SatAM there is no sign that decision making comes from anyone other than Sally and Sonic.  Sure they talk to each other and the other Freedom Fighters but Sonic does whatever he wants and Sal still pretty much tells everyone else what to do.  

While this did happen in the comics, SatAM doesn't promote that outcome.  No it doesn't deny it either, but it would be quite radical to think Sally would change the government based on how she lead her Freedom Fighters now.

 

Also...a civil war also seems unlikely.  Not only are the Mobians likely to be war-weary after the Great War and the Robotnik conflict, but one good thing came out of the Robotnik conflict because Robotnik actually gave the Mobian race (and possibly even the Overlanders who opposed Robotnik) a common enemy which they could all join against. 

We've had war after war after war since nearly the dawn of time on our Earth.  Here in the US we're really quick to jump into action when conflicts arise (I could argue about that as well but that's another topic.).  Since the formation of the US there hasn't been a 10 year period without a War we've been involved in (Granted not all of them are huge scale conflicts that directly effected us). Why would Mobius be any different?

Sure the people may be tired of war, but they would also be on a high of "Look at the difference we can make for our beliefs".  

And this whole debate right now proves there'd be at least two sides, those who think the old Monarchy should be restored (regardless if it's because of Sally's actions or because of other reasons) and those who believe change should be brought to the Government.

Lastly I'd like to point out that SatAM revolves around young Mobians who were mere children during the coup.  And they were a small percentage of survivors.  The Majority of the World was captured and Roboticized by Robotnik.  We don't know how they feel about the current situation of Mobius.  We pretty much can never know.  

Mobius is on the brink of Civil War Once Robotnik is overthrown.  The only saving grace would be Sonic and Sally's choice on how to end the conflict before it begins.  Mostly on Sal because Sonic has already shown that he's going to do whatever he wants anyways. 

 

 

Didn't know about that either =/. I'm so lost with what's going on currently haha. I'm only on issue 57(just a handful of issues emoved from Endgame), but I heard about the Genesis storyline a bit, as well as the Mega Man crossover(which honestly sounds pretty awesome ) But where I am right now it seems like Geoffrey St. John is a staple addition to the Freedom Fighters. Hell he could have fit in well in SatAM I'm thinkin'. Oh well though.

 
The crossover was meh. A lot of missed opportunities

That may be so, but out of all the crossovers the series has done, the Mega Man one was by far the best. It delivered exactly what fans were expecting and it wasn't a pointless side-story that had no affect on either series (like the previous crossovers).

Though judging by the ending of the latest Mega Man issue, another may be on the horizon.

 

Truthfully I wouldn't mind another Crossover....if it didn't interrupt the main story.  It's annoying enough to wait each month when they leave you on a cliffhanger, but to add nearly another year interruption to it is just flat out mean.  If they have to interrupt anything it should be the Sonic Universe story as that one is only a side story anyways. Other than that any crossover should either be short enough that it doesn't interrupt for long, or in it's own special mini-series.  Still can effect the main comic, but not interrupt it. 

 

 

So 4chan is trying to break the internet..... again

That's a daily occurrence. 

 

 

This time they almost succeeded

 

No they didn't.  They only succeed when you let them.  Don't let them. 

*Insert motivating speech here*

 

The Setting/premises.  I like the story, but I didn't like how it started.  It's not bad, but rather just not my thing. 

 

It's fine if it's just "not your thing", but I'm just curious if you're writing it off entirely or have suggestions for what you think would make it better. I definitely want to redo some of the inner core stuff.

 

Well my best suggestion to fix the set-up would be to split Sonic and Sal up from the start.  The player goes off playing as Sonic, only to find out after completing the stage Sal has been captured so he goes off to rescue her.  It makes a bit more sense than Sonic just not being able to do anything....

Also the teleporters...why are Robotnik and Snively working on them?  Rather than building teleporters, I think it would make more sense if they were building something else out of old Teleporters, that way Sonic's transfer is more of an accident.

Lastly, Since it is a flashback, maybe it should start off with Sally remembering. Like "It all started X year(s) ago" (I can't remember the timeline specifically, I'll have to play the game again), or "It started off like a regular mission..."

Hokay...

To be 100% honest, I did not like Sonic Epoch (GBA version).  I didn't like the sprites, I didn't really like the gamelplay, and I'm didn't really like the set-up.  

Now I didn't get far in the game, and I haven't played it since I first joined up with FUS so I can't remember the exacts about why I disliked it, but I do remember I had kept playing it because I had like the story (just not the set-up).  

I should try it again so I could fairly give you reasons, but I just haven't done it yet. 

Oh good I'm only temporarily in command.  I though I might actually have to do something important. 

Hey look two months between Updates....I suck.  

https://www.fanficti.../War-For-Mobius

Except that's the exact problem with games like Slender: You. Can't. Win.

This isn't a game.  It's and interactive movie.  You'll either die early because he caught you, or you die later when "win".  Either way you have no control of the outcome.  As a horror piece, you could argue that this is good, but as a game (which by definition is: a form of play or sport, especially a competitive one played according to rules and decided by skill, strength, or luck) if you can not win it, it fails horribly.  If you can not achieve your goal (save the galaxy, rescue the princess, escape the monster, fish) because the game doesn't allow you to, it isn't a game at all.  

And no a bittersweet ending is not good enough.  To keep a player invested, you have to feel like you're making progress.  If the game takes away your feeling of control, and the best you can hope for at the end is a bittersweet ending are you really achieving anything? You don't feel like you're in control of the game so any potential outcome feels like it's randomly selected, which means you don't even have to touch the controller to get it.  

All games with multiple outcomes are dependent on your in game choices, and though you may not always see which choice gets the best outcome, you feel like you earned it by the choices you made because you were the one in control of your actions.  Again, it's not a game but an interactive novel or movie instead when that feeling of control is taken away from the players.  

If your actions feel meaningless you aren't invested, if you aren't invested you aren't having fun, if the reward you receive doesn't feel earned, then what was the point?