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@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 11:25 AM)

Also I still have to figure out how to set up our e-mail accounts on the new host.

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As soon as I figure out how to restore it. Sorry, I know I said it'd be done by now, but I didn't expect to have to put up with this DNS crap and other issues that popped up.

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So when's the black theme coming back??

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"Should"

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That DNS took longer to propagate properly than I thought it would. *Now* we should be back for good, though.

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Or it might be because Bluehost *finally* got around to that server wipe (one week after we'd asked for it) and that wiped out our DNS settings. I'm not sure which and I don't really care. In any case, we've severed our last ties with Bluehost, so this will not happen again.

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Looks like Bluehost yanked our DNS since our hosting account expired. That's why the site went down a while ago. But as you can see, it's fixed now.

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No, they do not.

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The goggles do nothing?

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My eyes.

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Looks like forum uploads might have been broken since last night. That should be fixed now too.

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Heh, whoops! Server went down for a few mins when I borked the config. Looks like it's back up now.

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 09:09 PM)

It looked like a napkin

@  ILOVEVHS : (21 July 2015 - 09:04 PM)

Fan-fuckin-tastic.

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As for the beaver picture while the forum was down, I think Tim drew it. On a napkin.

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No kiddin' about that "Finally!", Shadow. I am *so mad* at Bluehost for never responding to our support ticket. I submitted it early Friday morning and they *still* haven't answered it!

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 06:37 PM)

Maybe he did that himself

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:25 PM)

Say, who made the cute picture of Beaver Chief?

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Finally!

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Woooo! The site's back up! Three cheers for Kef!


Shadow or Scourge?


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Posted 26 February 2009 - 08:39 AM

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Shadow sucks, but he's practically low-key compared to Scourge. Oh how I hate Scourge.

On a related note, it's recently occured to me that Scourge may be Ian's way of putting an 'Ashura' into the comic. For those unaware, Ashura is Sonic's palette-glitch green evil twin; a Segasonic 'element' that Ian is fond of, to the extent that he featured Ashura in his fanart and fanfiction.


I'm a fan of that cheat. Been using that as my internet alias ever since I first saw the code. Therefore naturally I like Scourge. His super form was also pretty beast IMO. Metal Sonic is a close 2nd. I hate Shadow...

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 08:57 AM

Scourge, for me. Partly it's because I thought it was a pretty effective way to finally make Anti-Sonic his own character, but I also think it's because I like the idea behind Scoruge more, especially given the emphasis it received in the recent arc: he's Sonic gone wrong, the kind of person Sonic constantly walks the razor's edge of becoming should he ever lose check on his ego.

No offense to Shadow, who I do find to be an interesting enough character in his own right, but I've always been a sucker for that kind of concept.
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Posted 26 February 2009 - 03:18 PM

Scourge seems the pretty obvious choice to me, and I don't say that out of dislike for Shadow's Archie incarnation.

Simply put, Shadow isn't really an "Anti Sonic". Sure, he has a different way of going about things. He doesn't share all of Sonic's morales. But in the end, he is more of an anti hero then anything else.

Scourge, on the other hand, is the polar opposite of Sonic in most respects. As brutal as Sonic is merciful, and able to kill someone as Sonic isn't. And perhaps most importantly, Scourge is an actual villain.

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 05:28 PM

Gentlemen gentlemen please, the correct answer is that they both suck.

PS- Though I suppose before he was bastardized Anti-Sonic was good for what he was, while Shadow has always been a less charming over-hyped and unsuccessful mascot, so I guess I'd say like before Scourge by association with what he used to be would be the less bad (in the wrong way) of the two.

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Posted 27 February 2009 - 04:19 PM

Now that's a hard one since I find both characters interesting, but I'll go for Scourge because of his attitude and the "Evil twin" cliché.

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Posted 04 March 2009 - 11:33 AM

Eh, I dont really like either. The only part I liek about shadow was his look, not the emo personality that is the rest of him. As for Scourge, they could have done better. Long ago when I read some of the comics he was the -guy who is a jerk-, and he did his job alright. For some reason I thought it was out of place, but thats just me.

And yes metal sonic I would say is a decent villian.
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Posted 07 March 2009 - 07:30 PM

Is a metal something simply the next logical step? Q on Star Trek nearly has omniscience.

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Posted 02 September 2009 - 07:44 AM

Shadow and Scourge are OK, but Metal Sonic has more awesome in it. happy.gif But thing I will say though, I'm not really a big fan of how people stereotype emos, you know like if some guy was wearing all black people would assume he's emo. Emo's a STATE OF MIND, not the way people dress. And when it comes to characters like Shadow, giving how he experienced someone he cared for get killed and he couldn't help her, I feel he has a reason to feel sad about that. Same thing applies to emos who've actually had bad experiences in their lives.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 10:37 AM

I know this topic is like five years old. But, I just want to post something.

I voted Shadow, because he's the character I would get along with. As for Scourge... he's alright. But, if I make my own fanfic Sonic Series... I wouldn't put him in my characters list. Because, to be fair, sometimes I dislike some characters who are trying to be sort of a annoying cool school bully as a villain. But, if this character gets so much attention... I'd would had to think about it.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 10:47 AM

I was hoping to vote for the 3rd option "Plank of Wood" since it'd be the best of the three.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 11:12 AM

I don't know who is Scourge (I just see him and know few about him) so I can't really choice, anyway I never saw Shadow as anti-Sonic. I mean, okey...Shadow looks like an anti-Sonic but looking at the personality of both I don't really think they are the inverse. Shadow is a emo and Sonic is a cool popular guy...is the only thing I see about them. They are faster, they are stubborn and they are solitary, just one is related with sadness and hate and the other in cheerful and self love

And about things that hapens...I think if we judge about that, Metal Sonic is more anti-Sonic than Shadow...He is just Sonic in destructive form.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 02:09 PM

Honestly, I'd pick Scourge because he's literary the "Anti-Sonic". If you were to take Sonic's persona (his cockiness, sarcasticness, and arrogant self) and make him a villain, you'd get a rather nasty image that only Scourge could fill in. He's like a sleazy Hollywood agent or car-salesman; someone you know you're gonna hate once you meet him, but with superpowers!

As most have already pointed out, Shadow isn't really an "anti-Sonic". He's more of an anti-hero who could just as easily serve either opposing side (as long as it benefits his goal to protect humanity). His rivalry with Sonic is more in appearance and skill rather than clashing personalities. Also, I don't hate Shadow as a character; I hate what he's become. His role in "Sonic Adventure 2" was excellent, but his return in "Sonic Heroes" and depiction in "Shadow the Hedgehog" ruined his reputation.

Personally, I think Metal Sonic is one of the most overrated characters ever thought up. He only appeared in "Sonic CD", "Sonic Heroes" and "Sonic 4", yet everyone praises him for being a terrifying menace. Really? In his debut, he was instantly destroyed by crashing into a wall. And his return in "Sonic Heroes" didn't leave that much of an impression (his final battle was pathetic). And what became of him in "Sonic 4: Episode 2" anyway? He absorbed that power source in Lost Labyrinth Zone, so what happened to him afterwards? And how many times in the games and comics was he resurrected by Eggman? Too many! I get more chills from Mecha Sonic than this pathetic excuse of a robot duplicate.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 02:56 PM

About Metal Sonic...yes, is a joke...on videogames. Just see him in the OVA...this face is all:

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Sorry, with this images and the film itself...I can't think Metal Sonic is pathetic...no way

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:09 PM

To be fair, the OVA had probably the best depiction of Metal Sonic in all the Sonic media. For once, he had an interesting premise behind his character. The fact the Eggman downloaded all of Sonic's abilities and memories into him made Metal Sonic more of a formidable opponent for Sonic. But Sonic's personality gradually showed through its programming, allowing the robot to have a change in heart towards the end.

If he were like that in the games, I would like him a whole lot better. Unfortunately, that never happened...

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:11 PM

To be fair, the OVA had probably the best depiction of Metal Sonic in all the Sonic media. For once, he had an interesting premise behind his character. The fact the Eggman downloaded all of Sonic's abilities and memories made him more of a formidable opponent for Sonic. But Sonic's personality gradually showed through its programming, allowing the robot to have a change in heart towards the end.

If he were like that in the games, I would like him a whole lot better. Unfortunately, that never happened...


so true... I love the OVA

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:59 PM

After the way some Sonic fans described Scourge's flaws, I'm definitely going with Shadow.

At least he started out really good in SA2

Scourge? Just a pathetic recolor.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:11 PM

Scourge is just Sonic Backwards. Evil instead of good. While he makes a good rival/villain, personality-wise he's still Sonic.

Shadow is unrelated to Sonic, though was designed to represent what Sonic COULD be if he was out for himself instead of being the hero. Shadow has a dark/mysterious personality and past, and while these can be cliche, it at least sets him apart from Sonic.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:16 PM

After the way some Sonic fans described Scourge's flaws, I'm definitely going with Shadow.

At least he started out really good in SA2

Scourge? Just a pathetic recolor.


Well, Scourge really is Sonic from an alternate universe, so he's bound to look like him in several ways. Look at nearly all the alternate doppelgangers of famous heroes (Batman, Superman, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, ect.), they all look like recolors of themselves.

Now, if Scourge wasn't an alternate version of Sonic, he'd defiantly be a recolor of Sonic. But than again, he wouldn't be the first. Rob O' the Hedge, Jules, and Uncle Chuck could count as recolors; as well as Manic and Sonia from "Sonic Underground". But since most of these characters are hedgehogs, it makes sense as to why they all look alike. It'd be like accusing human beings for being recolors of each other.

Heck, Sonic himself is a recolor of Mickey Mouse, yet you don't see anyone complaining about that.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 10:38 PM

Well, Scourge really is Sonic from an alternate universe, so he's bound to look like him in several ways. Look at nearly all the alternate doppelgangers of famous heroes (Batman, Superman, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, ect.), they all look like recolors of themselves.

Now, if Scourge wasn't an alternate version of Sonic, he'd defiantly be a recolor of Sonic. But than again, he wouldn't be the first. Rob O' the Hedge, Jules, and Uncle Chuck could count as recolors; as well as Manic and Sonia from "Sonic Underground". But since most of these characters are hedgehogs, it makes sense as to why they all look alike. It'd be like accusing human beings for being recolors of each other.

Heck, Sonic himself is a recolor of Mickey Mouse, yet you don't see anyone complaining about that.


How is Sonic a recolor of Mickey Mouse? Other than the facial design and gloves, they look nothing alike.

And no, the others don't count as recolors because they at least all have their own unique features. Scourge though is just Sonic painted with shades and a black jacket.


Anyway, here's the entry that made me dislike Scourge even more.



I'm going to analyze why Scourge is terrible... and highlight exactly how he could be better.

Step one: Design.
Scourge's design is bad. Plain and simple. He looks like he belongs in a recolour video made by an ten year old, rather than a character in a piece of official media. First off, let's get rid of the biker gear. Especially those sunglasses. Red frames and magenta lenses has never, and never will, screamed cool. For a character that supposedly reinvented himself, the rest of the Squad have those uniform things, and he;s still in his tacky biker jacket. If he wants to be taken seriously, he should stop walking around with a massive weakspot like those scars on show. Especially when you're an insufferable asshole. That's just begging for an attack.

Try a longcoat. Longcoats instantly add awesome. And the eyes? Make them brown. If his fur is supposed to be green because it's halfway between blue and yellow, then why are his eyes not halfway between green and red? This will disguise the fact that he's just Sonic with his colours flipped, because he won;t be Sonic with his colours flipped anymore. Alternatively, make his eyes red. Generic, but still intimidating. Also, give him a different quillstyle. This is to make him less of a Sonic lookalike. Add a few more scars, since he hangs around with total assholes. On top of that, give him a slightly different build. He's supposedly a brute more than anything else, so make his limbs slightly thicker, and give him wider shoulders.

Step two: Backstory.
Scourge's backstory sucks. It's a case of "BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWW MY DAD NEVER LOVED ME SO I KILLED HIM!" In the eyes of some people this makes him sympathetic. It does not. Yes, he was neglected, but his father never actually physically abused him, to our knowledge. Also, disproportionate retribution, much?

Do not give him a start of darkness. Having him kill his parents is fine, just so long as his reason is not so cliche. He is a villain. He is the version of Sonic from a world where every hero is a villainous asshole. He does not need a reason to be evil. He does as he likes, without letting anyone control him, so he killed his parents because they were controlling. Simple.

Step three: Actions
Scourge's actions in the story are always the same: Show up, fight Sonic, gloat about Fiona being evil, kick Sonic's ass for 2-5 issues, give Fiona yet another reason to betray him, lose anticlimactically, lather, rinse, repeat. It's been done too many times. New story please.

Not making suggestions here. This is what you have to decide for yourselves.

Step four: Personality.
This too has been done to death. Scourge is incredibly generic, being a straight-up 'gangsta' with an ego the size of Mobius and Moebius combined. He;s like a furry, even more annoying version of a Scrafty.

Linking in with step two, Scourge's personality is easy to work out. He's the polar opposite of Sonic. So if SOnic is resourceful, kind, and heroic, Scourge will be stubborn, cruel, and evil. Simple enough. Don't go for generic stuff, just use that as the basis. Of course he will have an ego. Of course, he will be an asshole, but don't overexaggerate it. Also, some tips:

1) If Scourge is caring about anyone other than himself, you are doing it wrong.
1b) Applies double to shipping.
2) If Sonic would do it, Scourge would not.
3) If someone fails or betrays Scourge, he will attempt to kill them.
4) The list of villains that he can play second fiddle to is very short. Also, almost all of their names begin with 'M': Finitevus, Miles, Mogul, and Mephiles. Scourge should never be portrayed as a straight=up hero. Especially not if Sonic is the hero.

Step five: You are not the Joker.
Scourge's portrayal in the comics has lead to many comparisons to the Joker. This is stupid. The Joker is smart, he knows how to get into Batman's head. He is also not a very strong physical fighter. Scourge, on the other hand, is a moron who can only trick gullible, weak-willed teenage girls, and is a strong fighter.

Just because they are insane, and have green hair, does not make them the same character.

Step six: Shipping.
Scourge loves one person and one person alone: Scourge. That is all you need to know.

Step seven: King Scourge
In the comics, Scourge styled himself as a king in Bold New Moebius. This result in a single change to his attire: A tiara-looking crown. This is very poor design.

If Scourge is a king in your series, given him a different title. Something more kickass. Also, don;t give him a tiara. If he has a crown, make it an actual crown.

Step eight: Super form
Scourge's Super form in the comic has purple fur, flames on is shoulders, pointy fingernails, over-designed purple boots, dorky sunglasses, leather, and a tiara. THis is not how you make an imposing villain. This is how you make a cliched camp stereotype villain for your parody of recolours.

Ditch all of the above. Make this Super mode work. Make it a really dark blue or something, just make it look better than this.


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 10:42 PM

scourge was a terrible villain in my book. All those reasons make sense
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