I was wondering which people thought was a better "Anti Sonic"
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Shadow or Scourge?
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, Sep 20 2008 04:37 AM
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Posted 20 September 2008 - 07:04 AM
I picked Shadow because I think Scourge is a half-assed knockoff.
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Posted 20 September 2008 - 11:22 AM
i dunno...this is VERY hard to pick between.
Scourge has charisma and a feral, animalistic appeal that makes him easily likable as a villain or dopplegangar.
Shadow seems to emit anti-charisma in the form of his emo-ness. he's too mysterious to determine exactly if he's good or bad. however, he IS a force to be reckoned with and can put sonic in his place pretty quickly and efficiently, and that's definitely a plus.
in the end, i picked scourge becuase he's a more relatable villain and he appears more "human" than shadow.
Scourge has charisma and a feral, animalistic appeal that makes him easily likable as a villain or dopplegangar.
Shadow seems to emit anti-charisma in the form of his emo-ness. he's too mysterious to determine exactly if he's good or bad. however, he IS a force to be reckoned with and can put sonic in his place pretty quickly and efficiently, and that's definitely a plus.
in the end, i picked scourge becuase he's a more relatable villain and he appears more "human" than shadow.
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Posted 20 September 2008 - 04:39 PM
Y'know, I think I have to agree with Metal Sonic 
But between the poll choices, I guess I'd pick Scourge, for the sole fact that I really, really don't like Shadow. Not only that, I see Shadow as having a personality far removed from Sonic's, while Scourge really does come across as a punk, evil version of Sonic. And like Ringtailed Fox said, Shadow seems almost more of a neutral than a good/bad character.
I agree Scourge has more charisma as well, he's just more 'likeable'.
With Scourge and Sonic though... I've always felt they were almost like a knockoff of Darkwing Duck and Negaduck (from 'Darkwing Duck', obviously) I know the evil twin concept has been done numerous times, and probably in the same fashion!... But both Darkwing and Negs were the 'same person'; Negs came from an alternate version of the main universe. In his universe, just as in Scourge's, Negaduck had taken over and become the King. So yeah, maybe it's cause that's the only example of evil twins I know really well... but Scourge and Sonic really seem just like that O.o. ('cept Negs is so much better )
Anyway... enough from me.
But between the poll choices, I guess I'd pick Scourge, for the sole fact that I really, really don't like Shadow.
Not only that, I see Shadow as having a personality far removed from Sonic's, while Scourge really does come across as a punk, evil version of Sonic. And like Ringtailed Fox said, Shadow seems almost more of a neutral than a good/bad character. I agree Scourge has more charisma as well, he's just more 'likeable'.
With Scourge and Sonic though... I've always felt they were almost like a knockoff of Darkwing Duck and Negaduck (from 'Darkwing Duck', obviously
) I know the evil twin concept has been done numerous times, and probably in the same fashion!... But both Darkwing and Negs were the 'same person'; Negs came from an alternate version of the main universe. In his universe, just as in Scourge's, Negaduck had taken over and become the King. So yeah, maybe it's cause that's the only example of evil twins I know really well... but Scourge and Sonic really seem just like that O.o. ('cept Negs is so much better ) Anyway... enough from me.
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Posted 20 September 2008 - 05:06 PM
Scourge.
Because Shadow absolutely sucks.
Because Shadow absolutely sucks.
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Posted 20 September 2008 - 05:48 PM
i do think metal sonic is a great villain...
did someone just mention Darkwing Duck??? holy crap, i LOVE that show... haven't seen it in over a decade! ahh... the Disney afternoon... and saturday mornings on ABC...before disney ruined it all.
did someone just mention Darkwing Duck??? holy crap, i LOVE that show... haven't seen it in over a decade! ahh... the Disney afternoon... and saturday mornings on ABC...before disney ruined it all.
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Posted 20 September 2008 - 07:17 PM
Scourge. I like him more then Metal Sonic too for the simple fact that he has more of a personality compared to Metal and he just stands out more, with Metal having even less of a personality then Shadow. Shadow is dark and brooding, but I see Scourge's personality has more potential. I think that Scourge has the attitude and charisma and ruthlessness you just don't get in Shadow. I can also see Scourge serving Sonic as a character a lot better. People don't want to see emo anymore, and while Scourge has a dark past, he doesn't brood about it. Scourge just has the tone of a Sonic character more. Eh.
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Posted 20 September 2008 - 09:06 PM
Scourge, for all the reasons most people said already. Yeah the whole "evil twin" aspect isn't very original, esepcially in something like Sonic, but Scourge's personality tends to make up for that a lot. Its very charismatic and humorous, especially if written well. Truth be told, Scourge was the kind of character I was hoping for Shadow to be like when I heard SA2 was coming out. Didn't turn out that way, but it was fine for awhile, I guess. Never liked him as much as Scourge though, and ever since StH, my fandom for him has seriously dwindled. So Scourge, hands down.
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Posted 20 September 2008 - 09:12 PM
Wow, I'm actually kind of surprised for some reason at the scores so far. I mean, I had liked Shadow for a long time, now I don't really care about him (but then again I personally don't like Scourge either). Meh.
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Posted 22 September 2008 - 12:14 AM
Scourge without a doubt. Not only has he been around way longer, but his personality is better as well. Scourge is out for himself, going by his own motives, (albeit not the smartest) while shadow joins forces with evil because he has a bad memory.
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Posted 07 October 2008 - 02:51 PM
Metal Sonic. He, unlike Shadow, doesn't pretend to be anything other than a robot, and I know squat about Scourge and am thus not inclined to comment on him.
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Posted 07 October 2008 - 03:10 PM
I don't particularly care for either, so that makes it quite hard to choose between them.
I can sort of empathize with the idea that Scourge is more realistic in the personality deparment / motives, but he is little more than take-Sonic-make-evil. Shadow is too emo though... and I really just flat out dislike him.
Maybe Scourge, it's just not certain.
I can sort of empathize with the idea that Scourge is more realistic in the personality deparment / motives, but he is little more than take-Sonic-make-evil. Shadow is too emo though... and I really just flat out dislike him.
Maybe Scourge, it's just not certain.
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Posted 07 October 2008 - 03:40 PM
QUOTE ("Anaesthesia":82exqrai)
and I know squat about Scourge and am thus not inclined to comment on him.
He was originally the opposite-world's (where everyone is evil except Dr. Robotnik etc.) Sonic and along with the anti/evil/opposite-versions of the other FFs made a good number of appearances over the years until recently, basically he absorbed power from a chaos emerald turned green and ta-da "Scourge".
As for which is worse I don't know, the Sega or Ian Flynn abomination. Back in the early days the anti-FFs did make some surprisingly good stories though.
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Posted 14 October 2008 - 06:56 AM
I am actually of the opinion that Amy Rose makes the best anti-Sonic. Boy can she make him run away in sheer terror.
Seriously, I'd have to vote for neither, and go with Metal Sonic like a few other people above. Shadow has aided in the Sonic franchise's demise IMHO, and Scourge? No comment. Metal Sonic was THE original equal ability nemesis for Sonic.
Seriously, I'd have to vote for neither, and go with Metal Sonic like a few other people above. Shadow has aided in the Sonic franchise's demise IMHO, and Scourge? No comment. Metal Sonic was THE original equal ability nemesis for Sonic.
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Posted 14 October 2008 - 08:47 AM
Does him being the original suddenly make him better? And if so, why?
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Posted 14 October 2008 - 05:13 PM
Uh, I wasn't aware that I had to do a research paper on why I find Metal Sonic better than Shadow and Scourge. Out of the three Metal Sonic is the only one I find remotely tolerable, mostly because he doesn't open his mouth.
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Posted 15 October 2008 - 03:08 AM
Shadow sucks, but he's practically low-key compared to Scourge. Oh how I hate Scourge.
On a related note, it's recently occured to me that Scourge may be Ian's way of putting an 'Ashura' into the comic. For those unaware, Ashura is Sonic's palette-glitch green evil twin; a Segasonic 'element' that Ian is fond of, to the extent that he featured Ashura in his fanart and fanfiction.
On a related note, it's recently occured to me that Scourge may be Ian's way of putting an 'Ashura' into the comic. For those unaware, Ashura is Sonic's palette-glitch green evil twin; a Segasonic 'element' that Ian is fond of, to the extent that he featured Ashura in his fanart and fanfiction.
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Posted 23 October 2008 - 08:04 PM
I like Shadow more. He annoy does me a bit because he reminds me of these angsty, self-centered, poorly developed, and unrelatable comic book anti-heroes who were made up because some comic book writer read too much junk philosophy. Still I find his gimmickiness and cheesiness amusing. And, sue me, I actually liked Shadow the Hedgehog; I never heard of him before this game came out, so the fact that he was a dark version of Sonic with gun was a selling point to me.
Scourge is also gimmicky, but in a way that annoys me. And Shadow looks cooler too. I never understood the whole "leather jacket and sunglasses = evil" logic.
I know my reasoning here isn't the most logical, but they're two silly characters.
Scourge is also gimmicky, but in a way that annoys me. And Shadow looks cooler too. I never understood the whole "leather jacket and sunglasses = evil" logic.
I know my reasoning here isn't the most logical, but they're two silly characters.
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Posted 02 November 2008 - 12:28 AM
I don't think Maniac would be too much of a long shot. I never watched Sonic Underground but green and smaller is just something else.
I think Shadow is a darkclone, not an enemy. I haven't heard of scourge then I would pick metal or mecha or whatever his name is these days.
I think Shadow is a darkclone, not an enemy. I haven't heard of scourge then I would pick metal or mecha or whatever his name is these days.
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