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@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 11:25 AM)

Also I still have to figure out how to set up our e-mail accounts on the new host.

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 08:19 AM)

As soon as I figure out how to restore it. Sorry, I know I said it'd be done by now, but I didn't expect to have to put up with this DNS crap and other issues that popped up.

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

So when's the black theme coming back??

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

"Should"

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 07:27 AM)

That DNS took longer to propagate properly than I thought it would. *Now* we should be back for good, though.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:48 PM)

Or it might be because Bluehost *finally* got around to that server wipe (one week after we'd asked for it) and that wiped out our DNS settings. I'm not sure which and I don't really care. In any case, we've severed our last ties with Bluehost, so this will not happen again.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:08 PM)

Looks like Bluehost yanked our DNS since our hosting account expired. That's why the site went down a while ago. But as you can see, it's fixed now.

@  Misk : (23 July 2015 - 04:55 PM)

No, they do not.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 04:27 AM)

The goggles do nothing?

@  Misk : (22 July 2015 - 05:50 PM)

My eyes.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 12:24 PM)

Looks like forum uploads might have been broken since last night. That should be fixed now too.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 01:33 AM)

Heh, whoops! Server went down for a few mins when I borked the config. Looks like it's back up now.

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 09:09 PM)

It looked like a napkin

@  ILOVEVHS : (21 July 2015 - 09:04 PM)

Fan-fuckin-tastic.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:25 PM)

As for the beaver picture while the forum was down, I think Tim drew it. On a napkin.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:24 PM)

No kiddin' about that "Finally!", Shadow. I am *so mad* at Bluehost for never responding to our support ticket. I submitted it early Friday morning and they *still* haven't answered it!

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 06:37 PM)

Maybe he did that himself

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:25 PM)

Say, who made the cute picture of Beaver Chief?

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:24 PM)

Finally!

@  RedMenace : (21 July 2015 - 05:02 PM)

Woooo! The site's back up! Three cheers for Kef!


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#1 John Roberts

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Posted 23 August 2008 - 04:08 AM

Not trying to stir any pot with this, just though it was quite funny:
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50,000 women abandoning church every year as Buffy the Vampire Slayer turns them on to witchcraft

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 1:15 AM on 23rd August 2008

Christian churches in England have lost at least 50,000 women from their congregations every year since 1989, says a sociologist.

Dr Kristin Aune, from the University of Derby, said many young women are put off going to church because they link it with traditional values.

She also said television icons such as Buffy the Vampire Slayer, who promote female empowerment, discourage women from attending services.

Kristin Aune (left) claims women are abandoning the church because TV shows like Buffy the Vampire Slayer focus on female empowerment (pictured are actors Anthony Stewart Head and Sarah Michelle Gellar from the series)

Dr Aune added: 'In short, women are abandoning the church. Because of its focus on female empowerment, young women are attracted by Wicca, popularised by the TV series Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

'Young women tend to express egalitarian values and dislike the traditionalism and hierarchies they imagine are integral to the church.'

Dr Aune believes many women find it difficult to attend church as they juggle their working lives with their families.

She also thinks senior clergy remaining silent about sex is driving women away because they feel the church requires them to deny their sexual desires.

Dr Aune said the numbers of women lost to the church come from the English Church Census, which she used in her research for a new book entitled Women and Religion in the West, of which she is a co-author.

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Okay, so they’ve stopped blaming Harry Potter and moved onto Buffy instead.

The wording which annoys me the most about this, is that they do not put wiccan as the fault but "empowerment of women". How dare women have aspirations! It's lines like that are causing women to leave, not because Wicca necessarily looks more enticing because of TV shows or movies. These shows show downtrod women how they could live, and I say good on them for being strong enough to get away.

(the Buffy connection's is lousy at best - unless the rate jumped up in 1998 - because she's using figures starting from 1989, 9 years before it even premiered. And are women becoming wiccans at the same rate as they leave the C of E or is that a spurious connection too?)

I'm guessing the follow-up stories will be along the lines of:

1. Buffy destroys the rain forest making all those stakes.
2. Buffy pollutes the atmosphere dusting all those vampires.
3. Buffy causes global warming by being hot.

[edit]Slightly better coverage at The Telegraph
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 09:38 AM

LOL Oh that's just funny. Don't people have something better to do than to just blindly blame other things for why people do something like leaving the church? How do they even know it's because of Buffy or Wicca anyway?

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 09:37 PM

*shakes head*

They're losing people because people are thinking for themselves more and more, and are choosing not to believe in Christianity anymore. Fine, that's their choice.

I wouldn't even begin to blame empowerment of women, or Buffy. That's silliness. Who have you ever heard say that they weren't going to church because they watched a TV show about some woman who slays vampires (okay, I've never watched it, does she really do that?)

Blaming empowerment of women is something grounded strongly in history and is something we really need to get over. As a Christian, I can personally attest that there are Bible verses and ideas put forth that claim that men should rule over women in some respects and that women shouldn't be able to hold power in church. However, I've come to the conclusion that most of this isn't important since I believe it was Jesus that said there is niether man nor woman before God. The people who made the statements about women not being able to be teachers in the church and such were generally his disciples or related people who were putting forth their own opinion. Who would you trust more in that respect? Jesus or someone else?

Anyway, I'll get off of that train of thought before I incite too much flame and fire.

It just seems to me that way, way too many high ranking Christian leaders really don't have a clue what they're condemning or why. They condenmed Pokemon because of silly things like there being psychic pokemon, or the fact that they evolve. They condemned Dungeons and Dragons because it had magic and the like in it. So what? It's completely unrelated to reality.

If you're going to worry about something, maybe you should worry about people who do things like blow up abortion clinics, not someone who reads a book about a completely fictional account of something that you can't do in real life.

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 06:51 PM

Buffy hasn't been on the air for, what, FIVE years? This ranks right up there with Congress condeming video games like "The Resident of Evil Creek".

People are leaving church because we are living in a more cynical age. Traditional values like marriage, children, settling down...that's all for the old codgers, apparently. This generation is all about beer bongs, recreational dope, doing whatever makes you happy, not bothering to better ones self. Maybe I'm being cynical myself, but I've found my life richer for the presence of my faith and my family. I guess I'm just not cool enough to go to a rave and drink until I puke. My loss.

Anyway, I went off on a tangent. The governments of the world and so-called "experts" and "Researchers" are so focused on selling their viewpoint that many of them don't bother double-checking simple facts like the actual relevancy of the source material. I know Buffy MAY have been more popular, but that was years ago and frankly I don't see people begging for more. Even in it's hay[-day, it was more like a comic-book than actual occultist material.

Christian groups used to think that playing D&D turned you to occultism as well. That turned out to be untrue. D&D turns you into a nerdy recluse, who lives in his parents basement (Also known as "The Painkeep") and ejaculates at the sight of a woman's bare breasts.

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 07:07 PM

Beer bongs and dope.... Sounds good to me

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 05:13 PM

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 05:42 PM

Oh probably...

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 05:44 PM

Hey, you forgot the sex! Can't forget the sex!

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 09:58 PM

Different people at different times? Or maybe it all means the same thing except my bragging rights will be better than yours.

So I say something about the topic. It's not new knowledge someone always needs a scapegoat.

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 10:13 PM

I'd be inclined to agree with women empowerment being some of the 'problem' with women leaving the church. But I really doubt they're inspired by Buffy or Wicca. Maybe they grew up in Christian homes with strict male hierarchy, and want to break free of that, or by contrast, they grew up in homes that taught their daughters they could do and be anything they wanted (therefore, they weren't attracted by the male-dominated Christianity in the first place OR their 'version' of Christianity didn't focus on those aspects.)
Maybe they're Christians, but on account of jobs and families, they just don't have time to go to church, and maybe they feel they can worship God just fine in their own homes.
Maybe less women in England are Christians, perhaps they are taking up other religions, or none at all. There's a multitude of reasons.
HOWEVER, I guess vampire hunting would take up lots of your time, and is probably more exciting than long boring sermons. They might have a point after all O>O

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 01:48 AM

Could easily be that people, on the whole, really seem to like spirituality, regardless of its origin. Paganism, Christianity, Shamanism, Wicca, Islam, angels, tarot, horoscopes, ley-lines... They all attract people looking for an answer that's 'out there' in some sense.

I suspect that what's happening is that Buffy has been given airtime because she fits in with this theme of diversifying spirituality - not to mention the still-burgeoning concept of female equality - and women from the church are responding to the diversity and the promise of an equal place in society, rather than Buffy in particular. They have more options, so some are taking the other options available to them. That is all, I think.

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Posted 29 August 2008 - 01:07 AM

Okay. Obviously trollery.

Any further comments on the issue at hand, guys? I was enjoying this one (before the biscuits came along).

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Posted 02 September 2008 - 06:13 PM

Well, atheism as a whole is on the upswing in Europe isn't it? (causing American christian fundamentalists to shake in their boots as they try desperately to prevent this eventuality from reaching US shores, seriously guys, you would be shocked at the heights and lengths of stupidity) this just looks like picking on women in particular (I mean, their role is to stay "pure and protected in the home cooking and cleaning" as they're such delicate creatures amirite?) and once again blaming popular media for the behaviors of individuals, instead of taking a minute and thinking maybe, just maybe these elements are popular in media because people already liked them, rather than the other way around? (*Baaaaahhhhas I ish sheep*) They might as well blame Wendy the Witch or the cast of Bewitched.
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Posted 02 September 2008 - 07:59 PM

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They might as well blame Wendy the Witch or the cast of Bewitched.

Yeah, funny thing about that... (of course, that is Jack Chick you're dealin' with).

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People are leaving church because we are living in a more cynical age. Traditional values like marriage, children, settling down...that's all for the old codgers, apparently. This generation is all about beer bongs, recreational dope, doing whatever makes you happy, not bothering to better ones self. Maybe I'm being cynical myself, but I've found my life richer for the presence of my faith and my family. I guess I'm just not cool enough to go to a rave and drink until I puke. My loss.

Sorry, but the last time I checked, people have always been partying, sexing, boozing, and making merry. It's just that there's more media coverage of it nowadays. There's nothing wrong with faith, but to imply that ditching Sunday School will somehow lead directly to living like the Marquis de Sade or that secular people can't and won't believe in the values of families and Mom and apple pie is astonishingly ignorant and arrogant.

My guess is that as most first-world cultures are becoming more secular and pluralistic, there's a significantly weaker stigma on openly declaring faith in anything other than Christianity, or even on declaring a lack in any faith in a higher power. More people have the chance to choose what they believe and remain open about it without risking their jobs, their families, or their entire well-being.

...wait, the article in the OP isn't from the Daily Mail, by any chance? It is? Ha. AHAHAHAHAHA—*snort*—AHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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Posted 02 September 2008 - 08:22 PM

QUOTE ("Anaesthesia":1o5td5bs)
QUOTE ("Ratty":1o5td5bs)
They might as well blame Wendy the Witch or the cast of Bewitched.

Yeah, funny thing about that... (of course, that is Jack Chick you're dealin' with).


Lol! So many things there, like how Satan requires a "complete breakdown" on the girl, then in the very next sentence says he knows that he "got her mother". And the charts in the background "Anarchy" "Pornography" "Homosexuality" wow the lord of darkness runs a tight ship. Percentages on ouiji boards... and everything about the hippies, right down to the John Lennon poster on the wall. xD

Though this is still mah favorite http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff89 ... kTract.gif (yes yes we've all seen it before, but it's a classic! X3)
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...Maybe that is the whole recipe of life, is to be in on the joke. Because life is a joke and if you're not in on it you're out.
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Posted 19 September 2008 - 01:21 PM

Well sociologists will tell you never to blame ONE specific source. Could Buffy be linked to a decline in the church's number's? Perhaps, but she would be one of the many factors, and many sources of media that go against what would be deemed suitable by fundamentalists to watch. The media in general has an influence on what people beleive, what people know about, and is an agent of socialization. Many huge scandals go unnoticed by the public simply because ignorance works in the benfit of the power majority and they run what we've come to depend on for information about the world around us. To blame Buffy alone is ridiculous. It's part of what some sociologists reffer to as "individual blame." By placing the blame on the individual (which most individualist western societies do) they ignore the bigger picture, the impact of society--the larger community, or even the power majority (those with the most influence/money) and their impact on the changes in society.

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Posted 14 October 2008 - 04:46 PM

In an age when you cant open a paper or turn on a news channel without coming across another act of religious fundamentalism, Ive always found that over here, we seem to be quite apathetic. Ive been in Catholic education all my life, yet Ive never been to church unless I have to. School, communion, christenings etc. This isnt just me and my family either, this is all but a small percentage of people Ive ever known! It seems to be a generational thing more than anything. I work with elderly people, and the majority of them attend church like clockwork. Yet most of my generation arent arsed. Im not even going to try to explain why, because I dont know.

As it is, I did recently attend church for the first time in many many years, as it was my niece's christening. I was godmother and unfortunately couldnt get out of it. Maybe a lot of the cynicism surrounding the church comes from their approach. Ive always thought all religions have some very admirable lessons to teach, and think my Catholic education taught me some good values. But at the same time, I can also see that a lot of religion is based on sheer greed and guilt. First of all, there were 5 christenings that took place on this day, and the families of all 5 were told to be there for 11am. We promptly arrived, and this church was packed, people standing up because there were no seats left and all. Then they told us that there was a visiting priest, so we would have to wait until usual mass was over. The longer this mass went on, the more disillusioned I felt that we were there simply because of greed. This visiting priest gave us a lecture about giving money to less fortunate people (which I kind of expected) but it was like listening to a parody of a sermon, all fire and brimstone, you're going to hell because you dont thank God for every day you're alive, and you'll go to hell if you're not good etc. They then of course pass around the plate. I put what change I have on me in. Then 5 minutes later, they passed another one around, to fund this visiting priests project! The whole thing just stunk of greed. The first collection goes towards church activities...after the mass ended, they asked people to go home, but of course the families of the christenings to stay...barely anyone left, the majority of this packed church that day were only there for the christenings. Thats the only reaosn they made us think we were starting at 11, when in reality we were starting at 12. Because how much money would they have made from their usual crowd? Considering I live in a small town, and how many people left after the mass, Id say not very much.

Then of course, the church's attitudes dont do much to endear themselves to the general public either. We live in a much more tolerant world now, where most right minded people believe that people of all sexes, races, religions, sexualities and nationalities are equal. When the church open their mouth spouting off that women cant hold positions of power in the church, or that gay people will burn in hell, or that religion x is completely wrong, people take less notice now. Would many gay people want to get preached to by an organisation that so openly sh*ts on their lifestyle every week? Do we really want to hear hypocritical stoneage opinions and attitudes? The Catholic church is still stuck in a medieval timewarp, and I think the only thing is that most ordinary people have advanced beyond that way of thinking, or are cynical enough to see it.

As Ive said, there is a lot of positive stuff to learn from Catholicism in this country, but the delivery system is pretty shoddy.

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Posted 14 October 2008 - 06:51 PM

I'm a southern baptist. Though I have been in a catholic church on occasion (funerals for family friends, mostly). I agree on the whole "these guys are over the top" thing. The whole experience is always a bit unsettleing (what with the stuff that doesn't jive with our beliefs/practices, speaking in foreign languages, and the gigantic elaboratly decorated iterior of the church). We do have some occasional "fire and brimstone" in our sermons, but that's generally to be expected of most religions. I wouldn't trust a religion dedicated to shining sunshine up my butt...

If you look back in history, you'll find that the catholic church has a fairly long history of corruption and paranoia. I'm not saying that this has to do with the core of the religion (after all, we share some core beliefs with them) or most of the people in the church. It's often the people in charge who're to blame. They like their scapegoats. Way back when, it was witches and werewolves and vampires. Now, it's pop culture...

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Posted 04 December 2008 - 08:28 PM

Sarah Michele Geller is actually a conservative which is amusing. Also the witchcraft in buffy has little to do with Wicca apart from Willow occasionally abusing the term.




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