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It's a disagreement between two people...n judging what goes on in there sometimes that's a very apt description xD

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Is the Discord busy? Still trying t figure out where most of you monkeys hang out.

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To be fair, there are more rapid forms of communication these days. The Discord server sees a far bit of attention. I remember the IRC too, but that's dead last I looked

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Would Implying Sonic's Speed Isn't Natural Be Heresy?


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#1 SolidSonicTH

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Posted 31 March 2018 - 03:52 PM

It's something I'm toying with in my SatAM universe reboot fanfic.

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Posted 31 March 2018 - 04:44 PM

It's gotta be the shoes!


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Posted 01 April 2018 - 08:01 AM

Actually it probably wouldn't be that heinous considering those early promo comics made the same implication.



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Posted 01 April 2018 - 10:31 AM

While my inner Commissar is threatening to shoot you, no it's not really heresy. 

 

Usually his speed is explained by chaos magic, technology/genetic mutation, or just having a super power.  None of these are bad theories or ideas.  The thing is in SatAM, Sonic is the only one with a super power, so it almost feels necessary that his speed has an origin and isn't natural.  



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Posted 02 April 2018 - 09:08 AM

Well the rings were designed for him were they not?   Which even the leads to something more on the unnatural spectrum of things.



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Posted 19 July 2018 - 08:33 PM

Personally, I always thought it was all those chili dogs. He's jet-propelled.



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Posted 03 December 2018 - 06:15 PM

Ew...but fair.



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Posted 25 December 2018 - 07:43 PM

Magic makes the most sense. The amount of things you wouldn't believe that would become obstacles and barriers to him running that fast is more than you would think. Apparently bugs would punch holes through him once he gets close to 1000 mph, if I heard that one because science video correctly.

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Posted 25 December 2018 - 08:29 PM

Wasn't one of the theories something along the lines of the chaos emeralds gave him the speed.

 

Magic is also plausible though it could also relate the emeralds... so both?


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Posted 10 March 2019 - 08:19 PM

It was always my intention to show Sonic's speed as a byproduct of Uncle Chuck's experimentation following a prophecy from the Minister of Magic before the King dissolved the ministry.  With his brother's permission, he would treat his unborn nephew with a formula he had perfected the year before with the son of one of the King's knights (see my name lol).  This treatment resulted in inherent speed far beyond what any natural Mobian was capable of, making Sonic's abilities unique to him alone.  At least that is, until he had children of his own. ;)

 

As Sonic would have been treated with a more refined formula than my character Wildfire, Max's speed would fall short of Sonic's and may even burn out at some point, leaving him no different than any other Mobian.  I eventually stopped writing SatAM fan fiction as the computer I had it all on took a shit some years ago and the website I had posted it all to had been gone long before that.  I never did get around to posting them here, as much as I may have meant to.  I'm actually still writing these days, but I've turned my attention to more original work.


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Posted 22 February 2020 - 04:50 PM

What about Tails? Doesn't he technically have a "super power?" I don't know too many other foxes with two tails, let alone can spin them around to fly with them. Of course I kind of head canon he might be at least part kitsune, since multiple tailed foxes are in a lot of Japanese lore (and Sonic was originally made in Japan, so...).

Anyway, I think it might be a mutation of some kind, and it's something that's rare. I also think it's a recessive gene, so in order for Sonic to have had it, his parents would have both had to carry the gene. 

But that's my two cents.



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Posted 22 February 2020 - 06:34 PM

I always thought Tails as a natural ability caused by his mutation. Sonic is fast because his power, Tails taught himself to fly using his mutation.

I guess you could argue it's a XMen style super power.

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Posted 23 February 2020 - 04:04 AM

I always thought Tails as a natural ability caused by his mutation. Sonic is fast because his power, Tails taught himself to fly using his mutation.

Same. I think that's how we're supposed view it, his two tails allowing him to mimic a helicopter's two-bladed rotors.



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Posted 23 February 2020 - 01:44 PM

I always thought Tails as a natural ability caused by his mutation. Sonic is fast because his power, Tails taught himself to fly using his mutation.

I guess you could argue it's a XMen style super power.

 

 

 

I always thought Tails as a natural ability caused by his mutation. Sonic is fast because his power, Tails taught himself to fly using his mutation.

Same. I think that's how we're supposed view it, his two tails allowing him to mimic a helicopter's two-bladed rotors.

 

 

When I was a kid I would have thought so, but after gaining a better understanding of Japanese cultures (and I'm still a long way away from actually understanding them completely) multiple tailed foxes are a big part of their lore and typically means they have some kind of special powers. 
Of course, if we go strictly by SatAM's portrayal of Tails, that may be the case. Of course, I can treat a natural mutation as a super power if it's used as such and I think using the tails to fly and even nearly keep up with Sonic counts in my opinion.

I do think some amount of magic is involved though, even if Tails is able to spin his tails around, I'm not exactly sure how he propels himself. But considering all the other things in this world that defies the laws of physics (Sonic's speed is the biggest one) it's not too much of a stretch.



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Posted 23 February 2020 - 04:49 PM

In Archie I think they imply it might have something to do with his Uncle's Magic, but never actually confirmed it.

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Posted 25 February 2020 - 09:58 PM

As a child, I just figured Sonic was born with super speed just as Tails was born with two tails.  Never really thought it needed an explanation, but I think that some of y'all's theories do sound rather interesting.



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Posted 01 March 2020 - 09:19 PM

On the whole Kitsune thing I have this to say:  In Japanese lore (I'm not terribly well versed) a fox gains a second tail after living for 100 years.  Every century afterward they would then gain another tail, and with it, become that much more powerful.  In folklore fox spirits are known as tricksters, masters of illusion that enjoyed getting into places they should not have been able.  Often they were portrayed as beautiful women, using this disguise to lure unsuspecting travelers off of the beaten path and into the woods for their own purposes.  With regards to this, when it comes to Tails there are one or two little details about the character that point in this direction.  The first of course is the second tail, implying heritage by existing alone.  Another well known fact about Miles "Tails" Prower, is that "he" was originally a "she", so the beautiful woman thing applies here as well.  Lastly we have Tails' intelligence, which was hinted at even in the original three games (no eight year old can fly a plane they built themselves) and would make sense if he were older than he appeared (like perhaps over 100?)


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Posted 02 March 2020 - 07:13 AM

I do think Tails being a kitsune makes sense, it explains why he's so intelligent and why he has a second tail.

Is there a source that implies Tails was originally going to be female?

Even if he's not a full kitsune, I think he's at least half. His father could have been a normal fox, while his mom was a kitsune. 

The only thing is I don't see Tails as a trickster, he's a good natured individual. Of course, he could have been luring Sonic into a trap this whole time, who knows?



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Posted 08 March 2020 - 02:49 PM

I do think Tails being a kitsune makes sense, it explains why he's so intelligent and why he has a second tail.

Is there a source that implies Tails was originally going to be female?

Even if he's not a full kitsune, I think he's at least half. His father could have been a normal fox, while his mom was a kitsune. 

The only thing is I don't see Tails as a trickster, he's a good natured individual. Of course, he could have been luring Sonic into a trap this whole time, who knows?

 

I can't recall where I read it originally, but as I understand it he was originally going to be female.  Apparently SEGA of America thought it was inappropriate that a young girl follow Sonic around, and then SoJ was basically already doing the same thing.  As for the trickster bit, you can be tricky and still be a good guy.  Think EVERY rogue in any RPG.  But I could go with the Kitsune thing, even if he isn't aware of it.  But mutation is probably easier to believe since Tails was a creation of SoA.


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Posted 09 March 2020 - 11:48 AM

I have never actually seen any official material come out to say Tsils was meant to be a girl. Only rumors. Since his designer always wanted to use the name Miles Prower I find the rumor unfounded. That said Tails was only one design of Sonic's potential sidekick. So there could have been female designs that wasn't used.


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