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@  Uncle Ben : (22 October 2017 - 04:42 PM)

a dartboard?

@  RedAuthar : (22 October 2017 - 04:32 PM)

Yeah, uh where did the name Ashura actually come from?

@  GamemasterAn... : (22 October 2017 - 12:42 PM)

Plus they missed a golden opportunity with him. After all there was this certain glitch that appeared in the games, so they could've called him...oh, I don't know...ASHURA?!?

@  RedAuthar : (22 October 2017 - 12:04 PM)

It kinda backfired.

@  RedAuthar : (22 October 2017 - 12:03 PM)

That was what they attempted to do with Scourge, make him more Reverse-Sonic instead of Anti-Sonic.

@  RedAuthar : (22 October 2017 - 12:03 PM)

It's still the same concept. It's the hero character, only evil. An Anti-Version. And if done right it can be interesting.

@  Shadow : (22 October 2017 - 11:39 AM)

Well in the case of Reverse Flash it was less the case of an evil version of him and more of a twisted fanboy from the future who wanted to become him.

@  RedAuthar : (21 October 2017 - 10:28 PM)

I always blamed DC Comics and Flash.

@  Uncle Ben : (21 October 2017 - 07:50 PM)

Point there.

@  Shadow : (21 October 2017 - 05:08 PM)

The doppelganger really is a played out idea that Ken Penders ripped off from Star Trek TOS, with the whole mirror universe.

@  Uncle Ben : (21 October 2017 - 06:12 AM)

I like the concept of the "Anti doppelganger" but I kinda doubt they would bring back the concept in IDW.

@  Ryuji : (20 October 2017 - 06:03 PM)

I just want my Scourge xP

@  Uncle Ben : (20 October 2017 - 03:01 PM)

I would like to see someone try to do something with her. I think there's potential that never got used.

@  Shadow : (20 October 2017 - 02:13 PM)

Well I'm fine with her not returning. Nothing exactly anything noteworthy done to miss her.

@  Sandata : (18 October 2017 - 02:15 PM)

Nice One Ben

@  Quickster : (18 October 2017 - 08:52 AM)

Or maybe they should have officially announced her retirement within the comic. :P

@  RedAuthar : (17 October 2017 - 10:02 PM)

Or maybe, just maybe, It's Maybelline

@  Uncle Ben : (17 October 2017 - 06:52 PM)

Or maybe they could have gone to the Winchester, grabbed a pint, and waited for all this to blow over. :P

@  RedAuthar : (17 October 2017 - 05:52 PM)

Or they should have left the robot version and never touched the real one.

@  Shadow : (17 October 2017 - 05:52 PM)

you mean like with the whole Brotherhood, or the the off panel exile of all the echidnas by Thrash?


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San Diego, CA (October 8, 2017) —  Sonic the Hedgehog™ and IDW Publishing are excited to reveal today that fan favorite scribe, Ian Flynn, has come on board to take the blue blur and his friends in a fresh, exciting direction.

“I’ve been a SEGA® kid for life, and Sonic has been my career for over a decade,” said Flynn. “I’m overjoyed to keep running with the little blue hedgehog, and especially excited to be expanding my relationship with IDW at the same time. I can’t wait to show you what I’m made of as we reach for the stars and explore the endless possibilities!”

“Ian has a strong connection with both the character and the fans so there was no hesitation in bringing him on to launch this new Sonic series,” said Sonic the Hedgehog editor Joe Hughes. “Not only is he a great writer, but he genuinely loves these characters. His pitches have been nothing short of amazing and we are very excited to get this out to the Sonic community who have been supportive from day one.”

“When we partnered with IDW a couple months back, Ian was undoubtedly our first choice to take the helm and scribe the new comic series,” said Michael Cisneros, Licensing Specialist at SEGA of America. “His uncanny knack for capturing the spirit of Sonic is evident not only in his work, but in the hearts of our very vocal and devoted fan base. We couldn’t be more pleased to have him setting the stage for many years of compelling storytelling.”

A new era of Sonic comics will begin next April with a four-week event. IDW will be moving at Sonic-like speeds to publish the first four issues of the new series in the span of four weeks. Those issues will be written by Flynn with a team of artists joining him to be announced at a later date.

 

  • Crossovers were asked. It will be a while. Maybe a year. They want to get the current series established first.

  • Previous writers coming back? “There may or may not be some creators you know and love”.

  • SEGA does impose certain “restrictions” on the characters, but the comics allow for the freedom to do things they can’t do in the games. Primary job is to “tell the best stories possible”.

  • The Freedom Fighters returning? “Stay tuned”. They’re aware of the demand, though.

  • The comics will start completely fresh with issue #1.

  • “We’re specifically making this world built in a world IDW controls separate from the games”. Aaron is at the event. He added more to say there might be occasional tie-in with a game, but stay tuned.

  • They made a big deal about the comics being a fresh start with characters and they’re telling brand new stories. It was their answer to multiple questions.

  • Modern Sonic is the focus. No multiple versions of Sonic running around, including Classic Sonic.

  • SEGA’s restrictions are not that high. They just want to make sure that they do things properly without jumping the shark.

  • IDW’s thoughts on Sonic the Comic: “For now, we really want to establish a new Sonic comic. Our focus is on something new and exciting.”

  • Aaron says that “things happened” on why the Archie era story arc suddenly stopped the way they did, but he says that sometimes these kinds of things happen. “There are reasons – trust us. I wish we could go into more detail. It’s tough for us too.”

  • Will IDW have its own Sonic Universe? “We’re taking nothing off the table, but we’re focusing on the brand-new series right now.”

  • They may create some original characters.

  • “How many of you would want to see a Sonic Forces comic?” Crowd cheers. “Good to know, we’ll pass that on.”

  • There was a question about backstory on the characters in Sonic Forces. Aaron’s answer: “wait and see”.

  • Open to audience reaction: how would original IDW characters factor into the stories? TONS of support for annoying sidekicks.

  • Creative process for the comics? “Ian has an incredible imagination – he could write these comics forever.”

  • Apparently Ian had his pitches ready for IDW immediately.

  • “We can use anything from the games.”

  • Ken Penders was brought up, asked if he was behind this. Only answer? “I don’t know who that is”.

  • There will be new artists. Wait and see.



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Posted 2 weeks ago

Choose your response:

*THE HYPE IS REAL.
*All aboard the hype train!
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I choose all of the above. April 4 can't come fast enough.

One question I still have is:

*Will we see Ian Flynn's custom Archie Sonic characters appear, such as Relic, Conquering Storm, etc.?

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Posted A week ago

One question I still have is:

*Will we see Ian Flynn's custom Archie Sonic characters appear, such as Relic, Conquering Storm, etc.?

 

I don't see why not. They're fairly popular with the fanbase, SEGA owns all of them, and Ian has more creative freedom with this new series then he did back at Archie.

 

But since this is a reboot, he might have to adjust them slightly to fit the new mold.



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Posted A week ago

If I'm being honest, I'm kinda 50/50 for Ian coming back.

 

Yeah he knows a lot about the franchise, is knowledgeable, and a fan favorite but I still find his stories to be lacking at times and good ideas just not executed right.

 

Maybe with IDW having a bit more leeway he can prove me wrong.


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Exactly.  I don't think Ian is bad.  Just look at Spiderman 3 for evidence of what happens when a company puts too much control on an artist.  


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Archie Sonic, regardless of how the stories were hit and miss on quality, is the only Sonic with a story I ever gave a crap about outside of Sonic OVA.  Outside of making a movie like the OVA, I doubt Sega could ever make a convincingly good sonic anything again, especially forcing mandates on the people working for them, and I would rather it be about Sonic and the freedom fighters, so if they aren't around, then this comic, no matter how good it can be, can kiss my ass.


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Archie Sonic, regardless of how the stories were hit and miss on quality, is the only Sonic with a story I ever gave a crap about outside of Sonic OVA.  Outside of making a movie like the OVA, I doubt Sega could ever make a convincingly good sonic anything again, especially forcing mandates on the people working for them, and I would rather it be about Sonic and the freedom fighters, so if they aren't around, then this comic, no matter how good it can be, can kiss my ass.

 

A bit quick to judge perhaps? I mean, they haven't denied the possibility of the Freedom Fighters showing up in the comic, and they've said that fans of the previous comic would be in for a big surprise.

 

But even then, I doubt the Freedom Fighters are a requirement to make everything Sonic-related decent. As long as the product is still good, that's all that matters. I mean, you said the OVA was really good and that didn't have anything related to SatAM in it as far as I'm aware (except maybe the Swatbots).



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Nah, not quick to judge.  Sega has made zero interesting Sonic anything since the OVA.  Ever since they tried going 3D the games and their stories for the most part sucked.  90% garbage.  I think for the past 20 years of suckage, I've got enough evidence to stand by to jump the gun by miles before any feelings of guilt for doing so start to show up.

 

Until they outright say the FF are in it, the comic is trash.  Also, they'd have to either revert them back to their original forms or redesign a few of them a second time to look more in line with their previous incarnations - Sally shouldn't look like a brat, how's that hard for these artists to understand?

 

 

Sonic's pretty much always been a blank slate, and they're doing their best to hollow him out further while adding more character - HOW DO YOU EVEN MANAGE THIS?!  He can never do any wrong, be weak, or have any character development.  Wow, I'm thrilled to hear about his adventures.  The stories he's involved in are so mundane that I can't help to roll my eyes ever single time.  There's just no depth to them.  And then the characters.  Oh the characters.  Barely any of them do anything to compliment Sonic as a character whatsoever.  Besides Tails, the rest of the characters post Adventure do nothing to add any more value to Sonic's personality....  Hell, they barely have any of their own.  Silver and Blaze were complimentary to...... Silver and Blaze.  I felt nothing even remotely resembling a rivalry between Sonic and him, and Sega obviously felt the same way because they had to force a defeat on Sonic just to make him seem any capable. 

 

Not even the villainous characetsr are all that entertaining or interesting.  Shadow was a good start, but then he was quickly busted down to nothing more than a sideshow or sidekick.  In the Sonic Boom game, they actually did a very good job with him despite the game and the story being trash.  He was a egotistical bad good guy who didn't need help and thought that the main good guys were worthless.  PERFECT!  The first time in a long time I've ever been happy with a decision made with the characters.

 

The females are all bland and boring, and they keep introducing more cutesy characters that don't make sense.  Cream is an affront to his holiness himself.  Stix could've been a good idea, but .....*sigh*...  Rouge is a sad in joke.  Blaze doesn't look the part of her character (looks more like a nappy headed brat).......  Elise is actually a breath of fresh air, but seems like such a ripoff or heavy reference to princess Orianna (hell, all of 2006 seems like that) that I can't take her seriously.  Sally fills in a decent female role perfectly, heck, even Bunnie does, but OOPS, they're not featured in ANY games or anything officially Sega.  It's like they don't WANT anything useful to be featured in their official Sonic products. 

 

The themes are also always conflicting, and it confuses me as well as any rationally thinking person as to what their target audience is. 

 

Are you targeting kids?  Do you think children who would fall for such cutesy characters would able to comprehend all the breakneck crazy nonsense going on in the screen? 

 

Teenagers?  Do you think any well adjusted teens would stomach the stupid cutesy cringey characters you keep putting into the games/shows?

 

What you wind up doing is appealing to these Disney channel type teens that don't ever want to grow up, and with that there's absolutely NO MYSTERY as to why the Sonic fanbase is so screwed up beyond reason. 

 

So what do you wind up getting eventually?  Either Sega making these stupid side stories that no one gives a rat's ass about and won't remember some 2 years later except to trash on it (see that stupid king arthur game crap they did and sonic colors) or Sega scrambling like crazy back to the tried and true formula of just going the 2D route, throwing in a classic sonic that doesn't really look like classic sonic.  And as much as I love the idea of Sonic Mania, there was this large gaping hollow I felt in it that made it not seem so legit.  Like playing Sonic CD but with no charm or mystery about it.  That mystical feel that Sonic 1, 2, 3, Knuckles and CD and hell, even Chaotix (by a little) had is no where to be found.

 

Satam, despite not doing Sonic the accuracy he deserves, and possibly removing some aesthetic, still had the capability to include those elements, along with keeping them accurate with the exception of robotnik if need be.  Since Satam is dead, Archie is the only thing closest to that, and the only thing resembling anything I care about.  I do not care for this sort of Adventure, 2006, Sonic X etc world tie in, because I absolutely hate the idea of humans are commonplace and active in the story - which is most likely going to be the case with Ian Flynn around, as if I remember correctly (sorry, I stopped reading), he tried to tie in the games as much as possible.

 

 

Sonic Mania falls short of delivering the previous Sonic generation's atmosphere, the gameplay is a different story.  While I would be accepting of Sonic Mania's universe being put into play, I highly doubt it would be utilized.


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Nah, not quick to judge.  Sega has made zero interesting Sonic anything since the OVA.  Ever since they tried going 3D the games and their stories for the most part sucked.  90% garbage.  I think for the past 20 years of suckage, I've got enough evidence to stand by to jump the gun by miles before any feelings of guilt for doing so start to show up.

 

But this isn't a product solely done by SEGA, it's a collaborative effort with IDW. Like Archie before them, the publishers have an idea for how they want to direct the series and SEGA gave them a list of guidelines to follow to keep the brand recognizable. So while SEGA is involved, it's still IDW's own tenure.

 

 

Until they outright say the FF are in it, the comic is trash.  Also, they'd have to either revert them back to their original forms or redesign a few of them a second time to look more in line with their previous incarnations - Sally shouldn't look like a brat, how's that hard for these artists to understand?

 

Like I said, the Freedom Fighters aren't a detriment to the series. As long as the comic proves to be good in and of itself, they aren't a requirement for guaranteed quality. Heck, I can think of a number of stories featuring them that were crap and they didn't do anything to help improve it.

 

Also, what exactly do you mean by "brat"? Sally was still the intelligent tactician we knew her to be since the beginning; she only had a shave and gotten a pair of clothes for her redesign.

 

Sonic's pretty much always been a blank slate, and they're doing their best to hollow him out further while adding more character - HOW DO YOU EVEN MANAGE THIS?!  He can never do any wrong, be weak, or have any character development.  Wow, I'm thrilled to hear about his adventures.  The stories he's involved in are so mundane that I can't help to roll my eyes ever single time.  There's just no depth to them.   And then the characters.  Oh the characters.  Barely any of them do anything to compliment Sonic as a character whatsoever.  Besides Tails, the rest of the characters post Adventure do nothing to add any more value to Sonic's personality....  Hell, they barely have any of their own.  Silver and Blaze were complimentary to...... Silver and Blaze.  I felt nothing even remotely resembling a rivalry between Sonic and him, and Sega obviously felt the same way because they had to force a defeat on Sonic just to make him seem any capable. 

 

 

A series can still be interesting even if the main character is a complete cardboard cutout. I mean, are Nintendo's Mario and Zelda series terrible because the main characters have little-to-no personality to them? Not really. Most people are interested in their games because the worlds they inhabit are more engaging. But even then, it's not like Sonic has zero personality whatsoever. He still shows signs of emotion and heart.

 

Blaze doesn't look the part of her character (looks more like a nappy headed brat).......

 

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Also, I'm pretty sure 'nappy' isn't an appropriate word to use in that context.

 

Are you targeting kids?  Do you think children who would fall for such cutesy characters would able to comprehend all the breakneck crazy nonsense going on in the screen?

 

What's this about kids not being able to comprehend the breakneck themes? I thought you were complaining about the series having no substance.

 

 

Teenagers?  Do you think any well adjusted teens would stomach the stupid cutesy cringey characters you keep putting into the games/shows?

 

That depends on the teenager in question. I know quite a number of older fans who like the cuter characters so it must appeal to some people.

 

 

So what do you wind up getting eventually?  Either Sega making these stupid side stories that no one gives a rat's ass about and won't remember some 2 years later except to trash on it (see that stupid king arthur game crap they did and sonic colors) or Sega scrambling like crazy back to the tried and true formula of just going the 2D route, throwing in a classic sonic that doesn't really look like classic sonic.

 

Actually, SatBK has quite a number of fans who liked the blend of Sonic with Arthurian legend. I still see people making fan art and using it as an example of a Sonic story told right. I don't see the same happening with "Colors".

 

How exactly does Classic Sonic not look like Classic Sonic? Is it because he's 3D? Or is it because he has his official Classic design and not his American one?

 

 

Since Satam is dead, Archie is the only thing closest to that, and the only thing resembling anything I care about.  I do not care for this sort of Adventure, 2006, Sonic X etc world tie in, because I absolutely hate the idea of humans are commonplace and active in the story - which is most likely going to be the case with Ian Flynn around, as if I remember correctly (sorry, I stopped reading), he tried to tie in the games as much as possible.

 

Ian had to connect the series with the games because it was what SEGA wanted him to do. SatAM was meant to promote the games when it was released and the comic was no different. When the franchise changed, so did the comics.

 

Also, complaining about the presence of humans in the world of Sonic is kinda a moot point when you consider Robotnik/Eggman is human as well. I mean, in a world populated by anthropomorphic animals, he had to come from somewhere. And last time I checked, humans were animals as well.



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But this isn't a product solely done by SEGA, it's a collaborative effort with IDW. Like Archie before them, the publishers have an idea for how they want to direct the series and SEGA gave them a list of guidelines to follow to keep the brand recognizable. So while SEGA is involved, it's still IDW's own tenure.

 

Good point I guess.  But still, with the stranglehold on it, I highly doubt I'm going to find anything of interest in there.

 

 

Like I said, the Freedom Fighters aren't a detriment to the series. As long as the comic proves to be good in and of itself, they aren't a requirement for guaranteed quality. Heck, I can think of a number of stories featuring them that were crap and they didn't do anything to help improve it.

 

They're only the best characters involved in Sonic anything since the Chaotix inclusion (I still hate that damned bee).  Next to nothing Sega created or derived afterwards have been at all interesting, and it's not because I have a distaste for them.

 

Also, what exactly do you mean by "brat"? Sally was still the intelligent tactician we knew her to be since the beginning; she only had a shave and gotten a pair of clothes for her redesign.

 

I remember complaining solely about her looks, not how she acts.  You can't tell me that you looked at the way she was drawn in many of the panels and couldn't find a huge, obnoxious difference between the royal air she had before to the washed out and completely goofy at times visage that the artists depict her having, can you?

 

A series can still be interesting even if the main character is a complete cardboard cutout. I mean, are Nintendo's Mario and Zelda series terrible because the main characters have little-to-no personality to them? Not really. Most people are interested in their games because the worlds they inhabit are more engaging. But even then, it's not like Sonic has zero personality whatsoever. He still shows signs of emotion and heart.

 

But super mario DOES have personality.  It's not very defined or deep, but it's there, and gives him enough charm.  Besides, none of the plots in Mario games are designed to be taken with as much seriousness that Sonic games do. 

 

And yes, Sonic does show emotions and heart.....  that of a Marty Sue.  Perfect :\

 

Also, I'm pretty sure 'nappy' isn't an appropriate word to use in that context.

 

Well, I don't like using the same word in the same post to describe two different things, but I was editing when that happened.  But regardless, looks and personality do go hand in hand.  Her hair looks like crap dude, nappy is perfect.  She looks like the kids I used to see at corner stores that were sent there by their parents.

 

 

What's this about kids not being able to comprehend the breakneck themes? I thought you were complaining about the series having no substance.

 

Hand in hand dude....  Remember that.  Some aesthetics don't blend.

 

 

That depends on the teenager in question. I know quite a number of older fans who like the cuter characters so it must appeal to some people.

 

 >_> ..........

 

 

 

How exactly does Classic Sonic not look like Classic Sonic? Is it because he's 3D? Or is it because he has his official Classic design and not his American one?

 

No, he just looks Flanderized.  Too....  I dunno, tubby.  Sonic wasn't a thin stick but he wasn't a pudgy munchkin either.

 

 

Ian had to connect the series with the games because it was what SEGA wanted him to do

 

Ah, say no more.

 

 

Also, complaining about the presence of humans in the world of Sonic is kinda a moot point when you consider Robotnik/Eggman is human as well.

 

No guy.  I mean I don't like the idea of heavy human presence in Sonic's universe.  Sorry for the confusion. 

 

 

 

Show me some good stuff in the comic that's worth reading.  I'll take a look.  I promise nothing, but I'll read it to completion.  Hopefully there's no in universe stuff that I need to know beforehand that'll make a significant impact on my understanding it.


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They're only the best characters involved in Sonic anything since the Chaotix inclusion (I still hate that damned bee).  Next to nothing Sega created or derived afterwards have been at all interesting, and it's not because I have a distaste for them.

 

How exactly are the Chaotix a detriment to Sonic as a character? And how exactly are they interesting? From what I can tell, they were mostly just tagalong characters to Knuckles that later became detectives. There's not a whole lot to them.

 

Compare that with Shadow, Blaze or even Chip. Shadow had a complicated backstory of being an organic immortal bioweapon that happens to resemble Sonic, Blaze was an estranged banished princess who had a hard time socializing with others till Sonic helped her out, and Chip was an eldritch entity who spent most of his existence battling his darker counterpart till Sonic showed him the world he protected and he found a new reason to continue fighting.

 

 

I remember complaining solely about her looks, not how she acts.  You can't tell me that you looked at the way she was drawn in many of the panels and couldn't find a huge, obnoxious difference between the royal air she had before to the washed out and completely goofy at times visage that the artists depict her having, can you?

 

I thought her original design looked more scruffy and less regal. But isn't that the general idea? She's meant to be a tomboy who just so happens to carry the title of royalty, but she doesn't let that define her.

 

Her reboot design is less scruffy-looking but it doesn't scream royal either. If anything, it's just an updated version of her normal design given the Sonic aesthetic. And honestly, I like the goofy visage she sometimes has; it gives her more expression to illustrate her personality.

 

 

But super mario DOES have personality.  It's not very defined or deep, but it's there, and gives him enough charm.  Besides, none of the plots in Mario games are designed to be taken with as much seriousness that Sonic games do. 

 

And yes, Sonic does show emotions and heart.....  that of a Marty Sue.  Perfect :\

 

Luigi has more personality than Mario. Mario is usually pretty straightfaced with hardly anything else to define what his personality is, which makes him easier for players to project themselves onto. Luigi, on the other hand, is quite clearly an awkward and cowardly character who just so happens to be brave as well.

 

Sonic still has a good range of emotions - at least, in the comics. He has a temper and is prone to fits of rage at times, not to mention cocky as heck. And that oftentimes gets him into trouble.

 

 

Well, I don't like using the same word in the same post to describe two different things, but I was editing when that happened.  But regardless, looks and personality do go hand in hand.  Her hair looks like crap dude, nappy is perfect.  She looks like the kids I used to see at corner stores that were sent there by their parents.

 

Her design is meant to invoke Middle Eastern fashion, which ties into her fiery powers.

 

Also, Sonic has "crap" hair as well. But that's kinda a moot point as well, considering they don't really have actual hair. They're furry.

 

 

No, he just looks Flanderized.  Too....  I dunno, tubby.  Sonic wasn't a thin stick but he wasn't a pudgy munchkin either.

 

Classic Sonic has always been tubby: https://vignette.wik...=20151214133329

 

After all, he's a hedgehog,

 

 

 

Ian had to connect the series with the games because it was what SEGA wanted him to do

 

Ah, say no more.

 

Why? Is it bad to have a spinoff product tie into the games its meant to tie back into?

 

SatAM had game elements as well. There's even a whole episode involving a pinball fortress.

 

 

Show me some good stuff in the comic that's worth reading.  I'll take a look.  I promise nothing, but I'll read it to completion.  Hopefully there's no in universe stuff that I need to know beforehand that'll make a significant impact on my understanding it.

 

You should check out the stuff from Ian's run on the comics. If you want to see the game elements given a fairer treatment than in the games, he's done a much better job at it than SEGA and Sonic Team themselves.

 

In terms of recommendations, there's the "Sonic Universe" spinoff series. These stories are mostly self-contained, but they have some really interesting themes to explore regarding the characters - ranging from fun and silly romps to dark and dramatic stories to even discussions of philosophy. The reboot even had those moments.

 

But if you want something that's more in line with SatAM, then I'm afraid there isn't a whole lot since the early comics kinda missed out on that mark back in the 90's. Still, the best writer I would recommend is probably Angelo DeCesare. Most of his work probably comes the closest to matching SatAM's tone and spirit.



#12 RedAuthar

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Why? Is it bad to have a spinoff product tie into the games its meant to tie back into?

 

SatAM had game elements as well. There's even a whole episode involving a pinball fortress.

And Honestly it's a pretty dumb trap, and has some dumb plot elements. (You Froze Robotnik.  You won right there.  He's frozen.  Sonic's safe.  Mobius is Safe.  Why would you NOT jump on that?!)

 

SatAM isn't perfect.  Why do the comic plots have to be?

 

 

 

They're only the best characters involved in Sonic anything since the Chaotix inclusion (I still hate that damned bee).  Next to nothing Sega created or derived afterwards have been at all interesting, and it's not because I have a distaste for them.

 

How exactly are the Chaotix a detriment to Sonic as a character? And how exactly are they interesting? From what I can tell, they were mostly just tagalong characters to Knuckles that later became detectives. There's not a whole lot to them.

 

Compare that with Shadow, Blaze or even Chip. Shadow had a complicated backstory of being an organic immortal bioweapon that happens to resemble Sonic, Blaze was an estranged banished princess who had a hard time socializing with others till Sonic helped her out, and Chip was an eldritch entity who spent most of his existence battling his darker counterpart till Sonic showed him the world he protected and he found a new reason to continue fighting.

 

Also remember SatAM Bunnie's gimmick is Cyborg-Southern-Belle.  She has no backstory that is ever delved into, and her personality traits consist of the stereotype Southern-Belle.  

 

Also Chip sucks.  Nobody likes Chip.  I will take Charmy over Chip any day.  That said, Comic Chip was more interesting/a better version.  

 

 

 

I remember complaining solely about her looks, not how she acts.  You can't tell me that you looked at the way she was drawn in many of the panels and couldn't find a huge, obnoxious difference between the royal air she had before to the washed out and completely goofy at times visage that the artists depict her having, can you?

 

I thought her original design looked more scruffy and less regal. But isn't that the general idea? She's meant to be a tomboy who just so happens to carry the title of royalty, but she doesn't let that define her.

 

Her reboot design is less scruffy-looking but it doesn't scream royal either. If anything, it's just an updated version of her normal design given the Sonic aesthetic. And honestly, I like the goofy visage she sometimes has; it gives her more expression to illustrate her personality.

 

 

 

 

I've always preferred Wolverine's classic Costume: http://serpentorslai...bigcostume3.jpg

That said it doesn't mean the "Modern" look is bad: https://img1.goodfon...komiks-1658.jpg

And I've always thought the Brown/Gold one was not as good as the others: https://uncannyxmen....bigcostume5.jpg

 

Doesn't mean any are Bad.  It's a personal taste.  

 

The Freedom Fighters redesigns aren't actually Bad.  You don't have to like them.  But they're not bad designs.  

 

Actually I kinda prefer the Freedom Fighters to look more like the SEGA cast if everyone else is going to look like the SEGA cast.  In SatAM Sonic felt out of place as he only barely resembles a Hedgehog and he's bright blue.  In the comics, as more characters looked SEGA style (Plus a lot more SEGA Sonic characters were popping up) the Freedom Fighters began to feel out of place.  By redesigning them to look more like they belong wasn't a bad move.  



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How exactly are the Chaotix a detriment to Sonic as a character? And how exactly are they interesting? From what I can tell, they were mostly just tagalong characters to Knuckles that later became detectives. There's not a whole lot to them.

 

Not a detriment.  I liked them (cept charmy, screw him).  I just thought they looked cool enough as characters to be in a Sonic thing. 

 

I honestly forgot some of those other games existed.  Sonic Unleashed..... D:  yet again, another character placed into sonic that I can't take seriously just looking at them.

 

 

 

I thought her original design looked more scruffy and less regal. But isn't that the general idea? She's meant to be a tomboy who just so happens to carry the title of royalty, but she doesn't let that define her.

 

Her reboot design is less scruffy-looking but it doesn't scream royal either. If anything, it's just an updated version of her normal design given the Sonic aesthetic. And honestly, I like the goofy visage she sometimes has; it gives her more expression to illustrate her personality.

 

What series are you looking at/watching/reading?  Male boys didn't get a crush on her growing up with the show over nothing you know.

 

The whole dressing her in sporty attire completely killed her look.  To match the previous aesthetic, they should've at least made her more outdoorsy looking, like a nature guide or something.  And quit with the white gloves too. 

 

 

Luigi has more personality than Mario. Mario is usually pretty straightfaced with hardly anything else to define what his personality is, which makes him easier for players to project themselves onto. Luigi, on the other hand, is quite clearly an awkward and cowardly character who just so happens to be brave as well.

 

Sonic still has a good range of emotions - at least, in the comics. He has a temper and is prone to fits of rage at times, not to mention cocky as heck. And that oftentimes gets him into trouble.

 

This still doesn't address that fact that Sonic products stories for at least some part must be taken with a grain of seriousness, and how the design choices often clash.  Exactly what about this should be for tiny kids or taken as light hearted when you have robots shooting BULLETS at a living woodland creature? 

 

 

Her design is meant to invoke Middle Eastern fashion, which ties into her fiery powers.

 

Also, Sonic has "crap" hair as well. But that's kinda a moot point as well, considering they don't really have actual hair. They're furry.

 

Show me where middle eastern culture showcases bratty, cheap hairstyles and I'll concede.

 

 

Classic Sonic has always been tubby: https://vignette.wik...=20151214133329

 

After all, he's a hedgehog,

 

Did you not just dismiss the legitimacy of the american artwork of sonic and then bring it up as an example?

 

I always go by the Sonic 2 sprite or the Sonic CD cartoon Sonic as the definitive look for classic sonic.

 

 

Why? Is it bad to have a spinoff product tie into the games its meant to tie back into?

 

SatAM had game elements as well. There's even a whole episode involving a pinball fortress.

 

Nope, was just saying that it explains why he did what he did.  Nothing more than that this time.


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