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@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 11:25 AM)

Also I still have to figure out how to set up our e-mail accounts on the new host.

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 08:19 AM)

As soon as I figure out how to restore it. Sorry, I know I said it'd be done by now, but I didn't expect to have to put up with this DNS crap and other issues that popped up.

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

So when's the black theme coming back??

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

"Should"

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 07:27 AM)

That DNS took longer to propagate properly than I thought it would. *Now* we should be back for good, though.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:48 PM)

Or it might be because Bluehost *finally* got around to that server wipe (one week after we'd asked for it) and that wiped out our DNS settings. I'm not sure which and I don't really care. In any case, we've severed our last ties with Bluehost, so this will not happen again.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:08 PM)

Looks like Bluehost yanked our DNS since our hosting account expired. That's why the site went down a while ago. But as you can see, it's fixed now.

@  Misk : (23 July 2015 - 04:55 PM)

No, they do not.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 04:27 AM)

The goggles do nothing?

@  Misk : (22 July 2015 - 05:50 PM)

My eyes.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 12:24 PM)

Looks like forum uploads might have been broken since last night. That should be fixed now too.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 01:33 AM)

Heh, whoops! Server went down for a few mins when I borked the config. Looks like it's back up now.

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 09:09 PM)

It looked like a napkin

@  ILOVEVHS : (21 July 2015 - 09:04 PM)

Fan-fuckin-tastic.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:25 PM)

As for the beaver picture while the forum was down, I think Tim drew it. On a napkin.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:24 PM)

No kiddin' about that "Finally!", Shadow. I am *so mad* at Bluehost for never responding to our support ticket. I submitted it early Friday morning and they *still* haven't answered it!

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 06:37 PM)

Maybe he did that himself

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:25 PM)

Say, who made the cute picture of Beaver Chief?

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:24 PM)

Finally!

@  RedMenace : (21 July 2015 - 05:02 PM)

Woooo! The site's back up! Three cheers for Kef!


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#21 Vlad Yvhv

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Posted 06 May 2015 - 04:48 PM

 

Lupe doesn't have a spanish accent. Giving her one would wreck her character. Lupe is more of a Native American character. Don't try robbing her of her identity.


How exactly does giving her an accent "wreck her character"? If a Southern accent can work for Bunnie without harming her, I don't see why a Spanish one wouldn't work.

Last time I checked, quite a number of Southern Native Americans speak Spanish. It makes sense since their original settlements were often located within or close to the borders of Mexico.

 

Bunny STARTED OUT WITH THE ACCENT! Lupe DOESN'T HAVE A SPANISH ACCENT! Your line of thinking in this matter is screwed-up. By your reasoning, we should also be giving Robotnik a Russian accent, because his name sure as hell sounds Russian to me... Tell me that wouldn't screw up Robotnik...


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Posted 08 May 2015 - 10:10 AM

Let's not digress.



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Posted 08 May 2015 - 01:14 PM

Bunny STARTED OUT WITH THE ACCENT! Lupe DOESN'T HAVE A SPANISH ACCENT! Your line of thinking in this matter is screwed-up. By your reasoning, we should also be giving Robotnik a Russian accent, because his name sure as hell sounds Russian to me... Tell me that wouldn't screw up Robotnik...


Yeah, but Antoine started out with a French accent, and most viewers found it annoying. I understand that it's not something you're used to, but characters do change as time continues to pass by.

For me, I think a Spanish accent can easily work for Lupe. It not only fits her cultural motif, but gives her an exotic presence (which fits her shamanistic role) and adds some originality as well. Not everyone has to sound like a generic American (no offense). I mean, if characters with Southern, British, and French accents can exist on Mobius, why not Spanish?

As for Russian accents, I actually picture Bark the Polar Bear having one (whenever he decides to speak, that is). Robotnik is a hard one to pick, mostly because we have no clue where he came from, so I'll give him a pass.

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Posted 08 May 2015 - 01:23 PM

Lupe as a shaman... interesting.

Does she have any changes to her appearance, or is she mostly the same?



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Posted 08 May 2015 - 05:05 PM

Lupe as a shaman... interesting.
Does she have any changes to her appearance, or is she mostly the same?


Actually, she's pretty much the same. But her role as a shaman/sorceress is mostly based on her pre-reboot Archie appearance:

http://vignette3.wik...=20101014011244

Her new reboot design hasn't been revealed yet, so unless her new appearance is to my liking, this is pretty much how I imagine her in my series.

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Posted 08 May 2015 - 07:23 PM

 

Bunny STARTED OUT WITH THE ACCENT! Lupe DOESN'T HAVE A SPANISH ACCENT! Your line of thinking in this matter is screwed-up. By your reasoning, we should also be giving Robotnik a Russian accent, because his name sure as hell sounds Russian to me... Tell me that wouldn't screw up Robotnik...


Yeah, but Antoine started out with a French accent, and most viewers found it annoying. I understand that it's not something you're used to, but characters do change as time continues to pass by.

For me, I think a Spanish accent can easily work for Lupe. It not only fits her cultural motif, but gives her an exotic presence (which fits her shamanistic role) and adds some originality as well. Not everyone has to sound like a generic American (no offense). I mean, if characters with Southern, British, and French accents can exist on Mobius, why not Spanish?

As for Russian accents, I actually picture Bark the Polar Bear having one (whenever he decides to speak, that is). Robotnik is a hard one to pick, mostly because we have no clue where he came from, so I'll give him a pass.

 

Don't forget that Spanish is not a native languege to the Americas. The prevelence of English and Spanish is this reagon is a reult of widespread "culture rape", or "forced assimiliation" as the more PC people like to call it. If you want a character with a Spanish accent, go give it to somone who didn't have a speaking roll, or make up a new character for it. People tend not to like it when someone wants to "fix" something that's not broken. Especially so, when they view the "fixed" version as more fo a basterdization of what was not broken. When the Spanish came to Centeral and South America, they didn't find people speaking Spanish back at them. They found people who had their own languages and who also spoke some tribal languages from the North American tribes that they traded regularly with. Similarly, the Italians found some Muskogee who spoke Mayan, because our tribe and theirs traded rather frequently.

 

Also, there are a hell of a lot of people named Jesus who are out there speaking with Spanish accents, instead of Middle-Eastern accents. The point there is that it's possible that Lupe has NO sort of Spanish heratage at all, and instead could have simply been named for a friend of the family or something...

 

There are certain things you can and can't get way with when dealing with characters that people know. Take, for example, the A-Team and Dukes of Hazzard movies. The A-Team movie does slighly alter the cast, but does so in a manner that they're still consistant enough with the incarnations of the TV Show as to not anger the fans. Most of the people of my genration in this area grew up watching the A-Team, and very much enjoy the movie. On the other end of the spectrum, we have the Dukes of Hazzard movie, where they basically just threw out all but the most basic of the characters' natures and re-worked them into what they thought would be a "better" cast of characters. Most Dukes fans boycotted the movie, and for good reason. It became an insult to the fans, the show, and everyone associeted with the show.

 

The point of that analogy: Just because you -can- alter the true nature of a character, that doesn't mean that you -should-. The "Lupe" that you wish to make is too different from the true Lupe to work. It would be like building a replica General Lee and giving it a Mexican flag and a horn that plays "La Cucaracha"... It can be done, and some Latinos may like it, but I certainly wouldn't stop someone from smashing a 2x4 over your head for having built such an abombination...

 

Ant is annoying precicely because he's a sniveling steriotypical French cowarard. Still, it would be just as wrong to rob Ant of being a Frenchie, or suddenly make him a French Chuck Norris or something... I think that a few minor tweaks, rather than a complete overhaul would work... Just not lay his accent on quite as thick, and work in some character development to give him enough confidence to be more than just an annoyance. This is similart to my statement of how Lupe could work rather well as a shaman, so long as it's not something you just spring on everyone all of a sudden.

 

Dulcy is annoying because she seems to be suffering from repeated brain trauma, caused by an inability to land peroperly. Teach her to land properly, or give her a helment and that sould sort itself out...


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Posted 08 May 2015 - 08:59 PM

Considering that Mobius is a post-apocalyptic Earth, I figured that most of its surviving cultures would be mixed and blurred due to most of its history being long-forgotten in the sands of time. Like what remains of Europe would probably be amalgamated into one nation; like how Spagonia in "Unleashed" is a combination of London, Paris, and Rome. Or how Asia became Chun-Nan and is now a combination of Chinese, Japanese, and Tibetan civilizations. Likewise, I can see the remnants of Native American culture mixing with whatever leftover nation it happens to neighbor; be it Spanish, Canadian, and even other tribes.

Sure, they suffered a lot in the hands of the Spaniards and other foreigners, but they've adopted foreign things into their culture as well. Horses were practically alien beasts to the native tribes at first (despite originating from the same continent prior to the last Ice Age), but in a matter of time, they accepted them into their daily lives and became an important symbol in their culture. Same thing with apples and chickens for that matter. Likewise, Spanish has become a secondary language for many tribes living in the southern borders.

In terms of how I changed the characters, it all depends on how I personally feel about them. For example, with Antoine, I got rid of his cowardliness not just because he was a French stereotype, but also because his overall design doesn't evoke that of a coward. I see him more as a pompous snob who considers himself superior compared to everyone else, but is nothing more than a big bluffer who hates getting upstaged. But despite being a rude, attention-seeking jerk, he is a master swordsman and does care for the safety and wellbeing of his teammates (though he would call it off as something else).

The role of the coward was instead given to a character who I felt was more sympathetic: Porker Lewis. Unlike Antoine, Porker isn't a jerk. He's just a kind, average person who enjoys keeping his lifestyle simple, but suffers from extreme anxiety and often lets his fear get the best of him. But despite that, he has enough courage to stand up for himself and will do his best to fight back when provoked.

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 09:18 AM

We're digressing, here.



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Posted 09 May 2015 - 03:36 PM

We're digressing, here.

 

No it's not, its how the conversation was going so it's fine


Some say that he knows 2 facts about ducks, and both of them are wrong. And that 61 years ago he accidentally introduced Her Majesty The Queen to a Greek racialist. All we know is, I'm going to the tower now to have my head cut off, and he is called The Stig.

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 09:05 AM

 

We're digressing, here.

 

No it's not, its how the conversation was going so it's fine

 

They're not talking about Lupe.



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Posted 10 May 2015 - 09:18 AM

Its the natural progression of any topic.   Its fine.   Its the way the discussion is going.  

And in a still round about way its still related to Lupe.  Thus making it perfectly fine.    Its not like someone went freakishly off topic from the start and started talking about flying walnut trees.    What has happened here is just a natural progression of a topic.

 

 

 

As for Lupe and the Spanish accent...I can't picture it.  BUT...I can see how it could work as well.   But you would have to redesign the character from the start,  At least in my opinion.    If they made her more Hispanic from the get go...Maybe  



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Posted 10 May 2015 - 01:17 PM

 

 

We're digressing, here.

 

No it's not, its how the conversation was going so it's fine

 

They're not talking about Lupe.

 

Its the natural progression of any topic.   Its fine.   Its the way the discussion is going.  

And in a still round about way its still related to Lupe.  Thus making it perfectly fine.    Its not like someone went freakishly off topic from the start and started talking about flying walnut trees.    What has happened here is just a natural progression of a topic.

 

It also says it on the board rules that this is fine cause it was how the conversation was going.

 

You need to relax


Some say that he knows 2 facts about ducks, and both of them are wrong. And that 61 years ago he accidentally introduced Her Majesty The Queen to a Greek racialist. All we know is, I'm going to the tower now to have my head cut off, and he is called The Stig.

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 08:10 PM

 

 

We're digressing, here.

 

No it's not, its how the conversation was going so it's fine

 

They're not talking about Lupe.

 

Actually, we are talking about Lupe. Specifically the fact that I think that LogiTeeka's "reimagining" of Lupe as having a Spanish accent is flagrant bastardazation of the character.


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Posted 10 May 2015 - 08:16 PM

And I think you should take a chill pill and let people reinterpret characters if they wanna. It isn't as though Sonic, Tails, and others haven't been reinterpreted countless times in official and semi-official media, let alone fan works.

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 11:00 AM

And I think you should take a chill pill and let people reinterpret characters if they wanna. It isn't as though Sonic, Tails, and others haven't been reinterpreted countless times in official and semi-official media, let alone fan works.



And I'm with Kef on this one. You are starting to sound like Kuta

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 05:51 PM

The point of the topic was "Lupe as a reocurring character", presumably if Sat AM were moving forward (even if only within wishful thinking). That's the context of my complaint. I don't care what somone wants to do with characters outside the show... Or even working to fix what's broken within the show. But it's the proposition of screwing up a non-broken character within the idea of continuation of the show... That's where the redesign goes into "this is wrong" territory. Don't go trying to pass off a chahuaha as a timberwolf... That's just insulting to everyone involved...


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Posted 11 May 2015 - 06:30 PM

Cool.   Accept that he specifically said 

 

"For my series, I made Lupe much more memorable as a character. The problem I had was trying to find a suitable role for her to play in the series without making her seem repetitive or pointless. In the end, I settled with her being a wondering shaman/sorceress who aids the Freedom Fighters by providing them with advice, spiritual training, or sending them on magical quests (similar to Yoda or Rafiki). And for personality, she could be slightly quirky or sassy, but still highly respectable. And maybe a Spanish accent for a bit of flavor. "

 

 

'For my series'.     There for you were getting defensive and Kuta like over someones fan made part. 



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Posted 11 May 2015 - 06:48 PM

Sheesh. Who would've known that my comment about the subject would be so controversial?

The point of the topic was "Lupe as a reocurring character", presumably if Sat AM were moving forward (even if only within wishful thinking). That's the context of my complaint. I don't care what somone wants to do with characters outside the show... Or even working to fix what's broken within the show. But it's the proposition of screwing up a non-broken character within the idea of continuation of the show... That's where the redesign goes into "this is wrong" territory. Don't go trying to pass off a chahuaha as a timberwolf... That's just insulting to everyone involved...


How was I supposed to know the context which this topic was about? The subject in question was simply put as being "your thoughts on _" and that's about it. There wasn't anything asked specifically about the show's continuity.

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 06:59 PM

Sheesh. Who would've known that my comment about the subject would be so controversial?
 

The point of the topic was "Lupe as a reocurring character", presumably if Sat AM were moving forward (even if only within wishful thinking). That's the context of my complaint. I don't care what somone wants to do with characters outside the show... Or even working to fix what's broken within the show. But it's the proposition of screwing up a non-broken character within the idea of continuation of the show... That's where the redesign goes into "this is wrong" territory. Don't go trying to pass off a chahuaha as a timberwolf... That's just insulting to everyone involved...


How was I supposed to know the context which this topic was about? The subject in question was simply put as being "your thoughts on _" and that's about it. There wasn't anything asked specifically about the show's continuity.

 

 

Yeah the question asked in the topic was very ambiguous so it could have gone any way


Some say that he knows 2 facts about ducks, and both of them are wrong. And that 61 years ago he accidentally introduced Her Majesty The Queen to a Greek racialist. All we know is, I'm going to the tower now to have my head cut off, and he is called The Stig.

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Posted 12 May 2015 - 03:59 AM

 

Sheesh. Who would've known that my comment about the subject would be so controversial?
 

The point of the topic was "Lupe as a reocurring character", presumably if Sat AM were moving forward (even if only within wishful thinking). That's the context of my complaint. I don't care what somone wants to do with characters outside the show... Or even working to fix what's broken within the show. But it's the proposition of screwing up a non-broken character within the idea of continuation of the show... That's where the redesign goes into "this is wrong" territory. Don't go trying to pass off a chahuaha as a timberwolf... That's just insulting to everyone involved...


How was I supposed to know the context which this topic was about? The subject in question was simply put as being "your thoughts on _" and that's about it. There wasn't anything asked specifically about the show's continuity.

 

 

Yeah the question asked in the topic was very ambiguous so it could have gone any way

 

I made it ambiguous?






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