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[HeavensChampion]

There's not much SatAM art lately. Have you noticed?

[RedAuthar]

Not really. But I haven't really been looking

[Lynchenberg]

I've started doing a lot lately.

[chief]

I would imagine it's because most emerging artists are rather young and are either drawn into the Archie world or Sonic Boom first.

Edited by Uncle Ben, 25 April 2015 - 07:26 PM.
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[LogiTeeka]

I would imagine it's because most emerging artists are rather young and are either drawn into the Archie world or Sonic Boom first. I would imagine it's because most emerging artists are rather young and are either drawn into the Archie world or Sonic Boom first.

Don't worry, we heard you the first time.

[chief]

You sure?



Holy I'll blame that one on my cell.

[RedAuthar]

You sure?



Holy I'll blame that one on my cell.

They do that. A lot.

[chief]

I know mines done that a few times. It is rather annoying.

[Uncle Ben]

You sure?



Holy I'll blame that one on my cell.

 

Can i use my new mod powers to fix it? It would help me learn this stuff

[chief]

Of course

[Vampfox]

I think that a big problem is that there's a big overlap with the Archie Sonic fandom when it comes to the Satam characters. Often times when people are drawing the characters they are drawing the Archie versions and not the Satam versions. Also I don't think that some fans understand that the Satam and Archie verse are separat universes.

[chief]

I think that a big problem is that there's a big overlap with the Archie Sonic fandom when it comes to the Satam characters. Often times when people are drawing the characters they are drawing the Archie versions and not the Satam versions. Also I don't think that some fans understand that the Satam and Archie verse are separat universes.

Agreed. The original Archie (sadly not that I've really read it) was fairly close to satam was it not?

[furrykef]

Well, the earliest issues of Archie Sonic were like AoStH, but with both the cast of AoStH and SatAM. They gradually introduced more and more SatAM elements (as well as Knuckles and all the Ken Penders characters) and phased out more and more AoStH ones, so by issue #25 or so it had become mostly a successor to SatAM. Then Robotnik died in issue #50 and things started to go off the rails, and the Sonic Adventure arc (starting in issue #71 or so) started a stronger emphasis on the Sega elements and also cemented a shift toward a pseudo-manga art style, so it didn't feel a whole lot like SatAM anymore even though the core cast was still around.

That's my take on it, anyway.

[chief]

So Eggman isn't Robotnik? Or weirdly is? I seriously have only read maybe 1 or 2 comics over the years so I honestly have no idea.

[Vampfox]

So Eggman isn't Robotnik? Or weirdly is? I seriously have only read maybe 1 or 2 comics over the years so I honestly have no idea.

In the pre reboot Archie Sonic universe Eggman is a version of Robotnik from a future timeline.

In his timeline the freedom fighters were winning the war so he roboticized himself. He is defeated and his consciousness becomes trapped on a space station. Main timeline Robotnik gets stuck on the station and gives Robo-Robotnik(who has giving up hope of getting off the station)a pep talk. Robo-Robotnik goes on to create a new body for himself and nucks his world from the space station killing all life in his timeline. He gets bored and travels to the main timeline(Mobius Prime)and learns that Robotnik Prime has died. Robo-Robotnik then takes over as the main villain of the book. Later he gets deroboticized and goes by his game canon name of Eggman.

 

In the reboot Archie Sonic universe Eggman has the same history as his game counterpart though he did briefly take over King Acorn's city.

[furrykef]

This also gets muddled because Ian Flynn (before the reboot) has claimed that Eggman is Robotnik Prime (i.e. the original Robotnik), even though there was never a story that retconned the events of Sonic #50 and the Sonic Adventure arc. I dunno how that's supposed to work.

[Lynchenberg]

Actually, I think the series became more of a successor to SatAM AFTER issue 50 when Robotnik died. Yes, it began as AoStH with SatAM characters. But in fact, I'd describe it as what AoStH should have been. Mike Gallagher has a great sense of humor, and Dave Manak had a fun art style, and they both clearly put effort into the book. It was like a well-written version of AoStH. Penders brought on board the SatAM elements beginning around issue 25, yes. But even then, it seemed more like a tie-in comic to the cartoon (which was still on the air at the time,) than a successor to it. Although Penders did bring in game elements like Knuckles and his own characters and mythology.

 

When news came that SatAM was facing cancellation, that meant the Archie series was likely going to follow suit. Gallagher said that's what happened to him and Manak while working on Archie's ALF series (which incidentally, was also really well-written and funny from what I read.) So Penders came up with enough plot to last to issue 50, where he gave the series what could have been a proper ending. He also put the petal to the metal in terms of boosting the comic's unique mythos, so the series had its own legs to stand on. It wasn't just a spin-off from a cartoon or a video game anymore, as it largely had been up to that point.

 

When Karl Bollers came on board after Penders began concentrating more on building the world of the Knuckles series, that's when it truly started to feel like a SatAM successor, if not a continuation in terms of the continuity. He largely wrote the characters in a way that felt consistent with how they were portrayed on SatAM, with the exception of Tails and Antoine. He made them more active and competent. In general, the characters started talking like teenagers and having personalities more consistent with the cartoon. Dialogue and characterization was never Penders' strong point, but it was for Bollers.

 

Bollers also introduced various plot points and characters from Hurst's third season plans, and the SatAM Bible. Ixis Nagus became a major villain, Snively briefly deflected to the Freedom Fighters, Sally was romanced by Geoffrey, Nicole became more human, Nate Morgan showed up. Yes, these were handled differently than they would've been under Ben Hurst, and yes, other elements were all grafted onto the series. Bollers was reared on Marvel and DC superhero comics, not funny animal cartoons. So he didn't write it exactly the way Hurst would've. But it still felt like it has a basis in SatAM, it was just taking it somewhere else.

 

For me, things didn't start going off the rails until they started attending high school and it became more of a soap opera. There were still good issues after that, but that's the point where I think things started going wrong, at least in my eyes. I bailed on reading the series regularly around issue 110 or 120. I only sporadically picked it up for old times sake, as I maintained an affection for the characters and world.

[Vampfox]

This also gets muddled because Ian Flynn (before the reboot) has claimed that Eggman is Robotnik Prime (i.e. the original Robotnik), even though there was never a story that retconned the events of Sonic #50 and the Sonic Adventure arc. I dunno how that's supposed to work.

Ian meant that Eggman's history was almost the same as Robotnik Prime's. I believe that Endgame is the jumping off point.

[MoKat]

 I don't think that some fans understand that the Satam and Archie verse are separat universes.

 

Heh, that's been a problem since the very beginning of the comic.

 

Well, the earliest issues of Archie Sonic were like AoStH, but with both the cast of AoStH and SatAM. They gradually introduced more and more SatAM elements (as well as Knuckles and all the Ken Penders characters) and phased out more and more AoStH ones, so by issue #25 or so it had become mostly a successor to SatAM. Then Robotnik died in issue #50 and things started to go off the rails, and the Sonic Adventure arc (starting in issue #71 or so) started a stronger emphasis on the Sega elements and also cemented a shift toward a pseudo-manga art style, so it didn't feel a whole lot like SatAM anymore even though the core cast was still around.

That's my take on it, anyway.

*nods*That's a pretty good take on it, Kef.  Mike G. seemed to love puns and wrote the book kinda like it was an extension of AoStH with some of the SatAM cast in it.

[HeavensChampion]

I think we're getting off-topic, here.