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[Nightmus]

I'll allow myself to doublepost in order to not contradict myself in adjacent paragraphs, if you don't mind.

 

I've done some extensive reading on Satam and Archie writers, mostly Ben Hurst and Ken Penders. Yet it was Ian Flynn's quote that has brought me back to my original post. "Sally (and the SatAM cast) are old, out-dated, niche characters.  If they're to survive, they need to mesh with the way the Sonic franchise looks today."

 

I don't intend to fool myself that I enlighten anyone with that information, just wanted to correct my poor self that Sonally ending is probably possible only on account of the writers being nostalgic and deciding to return to the series' roots and please some old fans. As the things currently stand, Sally isn't supposed to play any major role anymore and is there for old times sake, to keep target audience broader.

[RedAuthar]

Thus far Sal is still a major player, quite an important one in fact. Right now it seems Sonic and Sally are just friends, which could be an interesting twist, however.

[Nightmus]

Glad to hear it. Although I'm with Ben Hurst on this one. His vision of Satam and its characters is what does it for me. It could be argued that Sally is a "creator's pet" (according to TVtropes), especially as Ben has admitted to be in love with her, but I as a fan approve of it.

 

From what I read. I see Penders as an arrogant and smug businessman, not a passionate artist. I'd have to read his works first to draw the conclusion though.

[RedAuthar]

Kinda both actually. He was too passionate about his ideas that he went crazy when the others did not follow his plans

[HeavensChampion]

Kinda both actually. He was too passionate about his ideas that he went crazy when the others did not follow his plans

Why couldn't he just become in charge of SEGA and/or Archie if he wanted people to follow his ideas so badly?

[Nightmus]

Kinda both actually. He was too passionate about his ideas that he went crazy when the others did not follow his plans

Most of his claims after the lawsuit are directed at promoting his new project Lara-Su, which is pretty low of him. I guess I meant another type of passion. However I don't feel comfortable supporting my statement as I'm not that well-informed.

[HeavensChampion]

 

Kinda both actually. He was too passionate about his ideas that he went crazy when the others did not follow his plans

Most of his claims after the lawsuit are directed at promoting his new project Lara-Su, which is pretty low of him. I guess I meant another type of passion. However I don't feel comfortable supporting my statement as I'm not that well-informed.

 

I'm aware of the Lara-Su Chronicles.

[RedAuthar]

Kinda both actually. He was too passionate about his ideas that he went crazy when the others did not follow his plans

Most of his claims after the lawsuit are directed at promoting his new project Lara-Su, which is pretty low of him. I guess I meant another type of passion. However I don't feel comfortable supporting my statement as I'm not that well-informed.

Penders wrote the Knuckles comic which was widely popular at the time. He essentially created the comic's echidna lore. Unfortunately as the games evolved his lore was slowly being rebooted. After leaving the comic he wanted to still control the characters he created. When he couldn't he demanded the rights back. As a result he co-owns them with Archie who aren't using his characters so he can't make money.
Penders now is attempting to redo the knuckles comic starring his daughter, only cutting all ties with Sonic, resulting in the Laura-Su Chronicles

[Nightmus]

Penders wrote the Knuckles comic which was widely popular at the time. He essentially created the comic's echidna lore. Unfortunately as the games evolved his lore was slowly being rebooted. After leaving the comic he wanted to still control the characters he created. When he couldn't he demanded the rights back. As a result he co-owns them with Archie who aren't using his characters so he can't make money.
Penders now is attempting to redo the knuckles comic starring his daughter, only cutting all ties with Sonic, resulting in the Laura-Su Chronicles

 

As far as I know his hands are tied as a result of his lawsuit - he can't use his old characters, he can't use characters of similar design and he can't tie in his Lara-Su Chronicles project to Sonic universe from his own end. Thus he attempted to force Archie to make his desired continuity (and Lara-Su as a result) canon from their end and give up the laurels of defeating Robotnik (Eggman? I'm still not sure what they did with those two) to echidnas (Knuckles I guess). Basically to write the ending of the comic how he wants it and be limited by it for the rest of comics' lifespan. I'm not sure if that was really his vision all along, hidden due to Archie/Sega not approving of giving Sonic the back seat. It looks more like he's occupied with his new project and seeks to promote it by any means. 

 

From where I stand it looks pretty cheap, but what do I know, maybe Archie executives were also being DICs to him. Actually, why was he fired?

[HeavensChampion]

 

Penders wrote the Knuckles comic which was widely popular at the time. He essentially created the comic's echidna lore. Unfortunately as the games evolved his lore was slowly being rebooted. After leaving the comic he wanted to still control the characters he created. When he couldn't he demanded the rights back. As a result he co-owns them with Archie who aren't using his characters so he can't make money.
Penders now is attempting to redo the knuckles comic starring his daughter, only cutting all ties with Sonic, resulting in the Laura-Su Chronicles

 

As far as I know his hands are tied as a result of his lawsuit - he can't use his old characters, he can't use characters of similar design and he can't tie in his Lara-Su Chronicles project to Sonic universe from his own end. Thus he attempted to force Archie to make his desired continuity (and Lara-Su as a result) canon from their end and give up the laurels of defeating Robotnik (Eggman? I'm still not sure what they did with those two) to echidnas (Knuckles I guess). Basically to write the ending of the comic how he wants it and be limited by it for the rest of comics' lifespan. I'm not sure if that was really his vision all along, hidden due to Archie/Sega not approving of giving Sonic the back seat. It looks more like he's occupied with his new project and seeks to promote it by any means. 

 

From where I stand it looks pretty cheap, but what do I know, maybe Archie executives were also being DICs to him. Actually, why was he fired?

 

All three parties in the lawsuit were completely unpleasant and unreasonable.

[RedAuthar]

 

Penders wrote the Knuckles comic which was widely popular at the time. He essentially created the comic's echidna lore. Unfortunately as the games evolved his lore was slowly being rebooted. After leaving the comic he wanted to still control the characters he created. When he couldn't he demanded the rights back. As a result he co-owns them with Archie who aren't using his characters so he can't make money.
Penders now is attempting to redo the knuckles comic starring his daughter, only cutting all ties with Sonic, resulting in the Laura-Su Chronicles

 

As far as I know his hands are tied as a result of his lawsuit - he can't use his old characters, he can't use characters of similar design and he can't tie in his Lara-Su Chronicles project to Sonic universe from his own end. Thus he attempted to force Archie to make his desired continuity (and Lara-Su as a result) canon from their end and give up the laurels of defeating Robotnik (Eggman? I'm still not sure what they did with those two) to echidnas (Knuckles I guess). Basically to write the ending of the comic how he wants it and be limited by it for the rest of comics' lifespan. I'm not sure if that was really his vision all along, hidden due to Archie/Sega not approving of giving Sonic the back seat. It looks more like he's occupied with his new project and seeks to promote it by any means. 

 

From where I stand it looks pretty cheap, but what do I know, maybe Archie executives were also being DICs to him. Actually, why was he fired?

 

He wasn't.  He left because he didn't like where the comics were going and decided to focus on his own works.  When that failed, he tried to get the characters he designed for Archie Sonic back. 

[Nightmus]

 

 

Penders wrote the Knuckles comic which was widely popular at the time. He essentially created the comic's echidna lore. Unfortunately as the games evolved his lore was slowly being rebooted. After leaving the comic he wanted to still control the characters he created. When he couldn't he demanded the rights back. As a result he co-owns them with Archie who aren't using his characters so he can't make money.
Penders now is attempting to redo the knuckles comic starring his daughter, only cutting all ties with Sonic, resulting in the Laura-Su Chronicles

 

As far as I know his hands are tied as a result of his lawsuit - he can't use his old characters, he can't use characters of similar design and he can't tie in his Lara-Su Chronicles project to Sonic universe from his own end. Thus he attempted to force Archie to make his desired continuity (and Lara-Su as a result) canon from their end and give up the laurels of defeating Robotnik (Eggman? I'm still not sure what they did with those two) to echidnas (Knuckles I guess). Basically to write the ending of the comic how he wants it and be limited by it for the rest of comics' lifespan. I'm not sure if that was really his vision all along, hidden due to Archie/Sega not approving of giving Sonic the back seat. It looks more like he's occupied with his new project and seeks to promote it by any means. 

 

From where I stand it looks pretty cheap, but what do I know, maybe Archie executives were also being DICs to him. Actually, why was he fired?

 

He wasn't.  He left because he didn't like where the comics were going and decided to focus on his own works.  When that failed, he tried to get the characters he designed for Archie Sonic back. 

 

His decision is understandable then. Too bad he ended up spitting in the general direction of fans. He must've been desperate, or maybe just too prideful.

 

What was Penders' vision for the comics, especially regarding Sally? Or was he mainly concerned about the echidnas?

[RedAuthar]

 

 

 

Penders wrote the Knuckles comic which was widely popular at the time. He essentially created the comic's echidna lore. Unfortunately as the games evolved his lore was slowly being rebooted. After leaving the comic he wanted to still control the characters he created. When he couldn't he demanded the rights back. As a result he co-owns them with Archie who aren't using his characters so he can't make money.
Penders now is attempting to redo the knuckles comic starring his daughter, only cutting all ties with Sonic, resulting in the Laura-Su Chronicles

 

As far as I know his hands are tied as a result of his lawsuit - he can't use his old characters, he can't use characters of similar design and he can't tie in his Lara-Su Chronicles project to Sonic universe from his own end. Thus he attempted to force Archie to make his desired continuity (and Lara-Su as a result) canon from their end and give up the laurels of defeating Robotnik (Eggman? I'm still not sure what they did with those two) to echidnas (Knuckles I guess). Basically to write the ending of the comic how he wants it and be limited by it for the rest of comics' lifespan. I'm not sure if that was really his vision all along, hidden due to Archie/Sega not approving of giving Sonic the back seat. It looks more like he's occupied with his new project and seeks to promote it by any means. 

 

From where I stand it looks pretty cheap, but what do I know, maybe Archie executives were also being DICs to him. Actually, why was he fired?

 

He wasn't.  He left because he didn't like where the comics were going and decided to focus on his own works.  When that failed, he tried to get the characters he designed for Archie Sonic back. 

 

His decision is understandable then. Too bad he ended up spitting in the general direction of fans. He must've been desperate, or maybe just too prideful.

 

What was Penders' vision for the comics, especially regarding Sally? Or was he mainly concerned about the echidnas?

 

Penders intended for Sally to die off so Elias or King Max could replace her.  

[Nightmus]

 

 

 

 

Penders wrote the Knuckles comic which was widely popular at the time. He essentially created the comic's echidna lore. Unfortunately as the games evolved his lore was slowly being rebooted. After leaving the comic he wanted to still control the characters he created. When he couldn't he demanded the rights back. As a result he co-owns them with Archie who aren't using his characters so he can't make money.
Penders now is attempting to redo the knuckles comic starring his daughter, only cutting all ties with Sonic, resulting in the Laura-Su Chronicles

 

As far as I know his hands are tied as a result of his lawsuit - he can't use his old characters, he can't use characters of similar design and he can't tie in his Lara-Su Chronicles project to Sonic universe from his own end. Thus he attempted to force Archie to make his desired continuity (and Lara-Su as a result) canon from their end and give up the laurels of defeating Robotnik (Eggman? I'm still not sure what they did with those two) to echidnas (Knuckles I guess). Basically to write the ending of the comic how he wants it and be limited by it for the rest of comics' lifespan. I'm not sure if that was really his vision all along, hidden due to Archie/Sega not approving of giving Sonic the back seat. It looks more like he's occupied with his new project and seeks to promote it by any means. 

 

From where I stand it looks pretty cheap, but what do I know, maybe Archie executives were also being DICs to him. Actually, why was he fired?

 

He wasn't.  He left because he didn't like where the comics were going and decided to focus on his own works.  When that failed, he tried to get the characters he designed for Archie Sonic back. 

 

His decision is understandable then. Too bad he ended up spitting in the general direction of fans. He must've been desperate, or maybe just too prideful.

 

What was Penders' vision for the comics, especially regarding Sally? Or was he mainly concerned about the echidnas?

 

Penders intended for Sally to die off so Elias or King Max could replace her.  

 

Such a nice guy! Now what was I talking about? Ah, yes, roboticize him!

[Janus]

 

 

 

 

Penders wrote the Knuckles comic which was widely popular at the time. He essentially created the comic's echidna lore. Unfortunately as the games evolved his lore was slowly being rebooted. After leaving the comic he wanted to still control the characters he created. When he couldn't he demanded the rights back. As a result he co-owns them with Archie who aren't using his characters so he can't make money.
Penders now is attempting to redo the knuckles comic starring his daughter, only cutting all ties with Sonic, resulting in the Laura-Su Chronicles

 

As far as I know his hands are tied as a result of his lawsuit - he can't use his old characters, he can't use characters of similar design and he can't tie in his Lara-Su Chronicles project to Sonic universe from his own end. Thus he attempted to force Archie to make his desired continuity (and Lara-Su as a result) canon from their end and give up the laurels of defeating Robotnik (Eggman? I'm still not sure what they did with those two) to echidnas (Knuckles I guess). Basically to write the ending of the comic how he wants it and be limited by it for the rest of comics' lifespan. I'm not sure if that was really his vision all along, hidden due to Archie/Sega not approving of giving Sonic the back seat. It looks more like he's occupied with his new project and seeks to promote it by any means. 

 

From where I stand it looks pretty cheap, but what do I know, maybe Archie executives were also being DICs to him. Actually, why was he fired?

 

He wasn't.  He left because he didn't like where the comics were going and decided to focus on his own works.  When that failed, he tried to get the characters he designed for Archie Sonic back. 

 

His decision is understandable then. Too bad he ended up spitting in the general direction of fans. He must've been desperate, or maybe just too prideful.

 

What was Penders' vision for the comics, especially regarding Sally? Or was he mainly concerned about the echidnas?

 

Penders intended for Sally to die off so Elias or King Max could replace her.  

 

Later on though, he eventually planned to get Sonic and Sally back together after Karl Bollers ended their relationship with "the slap."  However, he wanted Sonic to play the field for a while, which I didn't care much for.  In my case, I started reading the series at issue 10 and on and off read it for years.  I really got into the comic back at issue 132 I believe and continued for several years.  While some of the stories were good, the comic got overly focused on romance at times.  As many of you have already said, I will admit that I would like some of my favorite characters to come back such as Elias, Hope, Sonic's parents, Mammoth Mogul, etc. since they made the comic stand out for me against other Sonic adaptations.  But that's just wishful thinking.

[HeavensChampion]

If they return, I want them to be characters that exist in the Sonic universe, and not characters that exist in their own universe. In others, i don't want a crossover to be the only way we can see them again.

I really don't like capitalism.