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[Lynchenberg]

I ship Sally Acorn and Michael Clarke Duncan.

[flor]

I've always found "shipping" to be annoying no matter who's being shipped. But the cross media shipping thing is more than a little stupid. Now that I've gotten that off of my chest...

As far as Sonic's relationships with various characters. I don't tend to pair him with anyone for any particular reason. In SatAM he was with Sally, both assumed and referenced (by him at least) and that was simply the way it was. I tend to think of the different versions of Sonic as different continuities. Archie's universe could have entirely different outcomes than the SatAM series and I wouldn't shed a tear. The two are different, and should stay that way. In the games, I've always thought Sonic was in love with adventure more than anything else. Stopping Robotnik and being the hero were just icing on the cake for him as long as he got to go to places he'd never been and do things he'd never done. A girlfriend would only get in the way of this. Now a casual fling on the other hand isn't out of the question, but a serious relationship isn't a good idea. The reason Sonic and Sally worked so well is that Sonic's character is more grounded in SatAM than anywhere else. He has clear motivations and goals to achieve, along with the conviction to see things through. Sally would be the best choice for him in terms of relationships because she most closely shares his goals and desires. It doesn't hurt that she balances him out and curbs his wild nature, thusly keeping him focused and on track. The pair have chemistry together because they compliment one another, and that's what makes for a lasting relationship.

Of course I could just be reading way too far into things...

Im totally agree, Their relation is unique, I could say than its idyllic because they complement each other (in this universe) I would like to see more than this story (not just Sonic and Sally) because is a good story good telling

[Nightmus]

That's my main gripe with all the Archie comics I've yet to read. In my (limited by lack of first-person knowledge of the material) opinion, Sonic and Sally are meant to be together right from the start. The other universes may have whatever, but Satam/Archie has to have this.

 

I think Archie is too concerned with continuing the story and printing more comics right now. Having Sonic and Sally more distant kind of relaxes their restriction on possible story arcs. From what I've read about robotization arc, Archie wants to keep the fans emotionally attached, despite hurting some people's feelings. They must be thinking that having main characters in a happy relationship is too stale and they can issue only that much stories about threats to Sally's life. I must admit, that's a sound business strategy, along with attracting attention of all Sonic+X shipping supporters.

 

However there will inevitably be a day when the series comes to a closure and I wonder if it will still be a Sonally ending. I sure wish it will be.

[RedAuthar]

The problem is they write it as if there is not going to be an ending, rather it will be ongoing indefinitely.

[Nightmus]

The plot loses it's meaning and purpose if stretched into infinity. One of the things that are great about Satam is a sense of progression and achievement. Each episode brings the heroes closer to their goals. But I really have to read the comics to be able to criticize them.

[LogiTeeka]

The plot loses it's meaning and purpose if stretched into infinity. One of the things that are great about Satam is a sense of progression and achievement. Each episode brings the heroes closer to their goals. But I really have to read the comics to be able to criticize them.

To be fair, that's a problem which nearly every comicbook series faces. Take Marvel and DC for instance, they've been continuing their respective franchises for nearly 80 years and haven't shown the slightest sign of slowing down.

As long as the franchise is popular, and they can get new talent to continue the work, I don't see the series ending anytime soon.

[Nightmus]

I haven't read much comics (it isn't a popular medium around here), but I believe such ongoing franchises must be devoid of certain elements to function properly. You can't really portray an affection blooming into love and relationship over the course of decades. It might be a temporary story arc, but then you either need to put another and another love interest to recreate it (making a casanova out of character) or leaving him/her a lone wolf in some sense. Or a constant couple, which also has little to no dynamic.

 

One of Satam premises is that Sonic and Sally are meant to be together at some point, when their priority one goals are met. In that regard the story is incompatible with infinite comics format. Even if the war is never really over and the feelings take the back seat, the whole flirting thing will look stale and forced if there's no progression over multiple years. Now that this plotline has been completely dropped, the series becomes ready to be a neverending action. Yet, in my opinion, that robs the plot of its crucial part.

[RedAuthar]

Actually that is one of the comic's problems. After establishing SonSal, a third party would create a love triangle, rivaling one for the other's affection. While this could be interesting when done right, most of the time it resaulted in either Sonic or Sally misunderstanding the situation, causing them to move on, which upsets the other, who then attempts to move on before the situation requires them to rekindle.

[Nightmus]

Oh man, how I hate those misunderstanding plotlines! They are all the same. At the start of it you just know you'll be frustrated until it's over and unless it achieves something in the end, the payoff never compensates for it. Sadly, there's no way to achieve anything for SonSal as apparently Archie thinks love, relationship and family are boring.

[LogiTeeka]

Oh man, how I hate those misunderstanding plotlines! They are all the same. At the start of it you just know you'll be frustrated until it's over and unless it achieves something in the end, the payoff never compensates for it. Sadly, there's no way to achieve anything for SonSal as apparently Archie thinks love, relationship and family are boring.

Actually, SEGA is the blame here. Not Archie.

One of their mandates states that Sonic isn't allowed to have any romantic relationships. Their reasoning for this rule claims that it goes against his unrestrained personality (which sorta makes sense), but I have a sneaking suspicion that it's the direct result of all their past failed-attempts at inserting romance into the series. I mean, the comic had that whole love-triangle plot, and the plot involving Elise in 06 was widely reviled. Considering the reception, I can see why they decided to drop it completely.

In addition, Ian said that he would gladly reinsert Sonally back into the comics if the demand for it is high. But seeing how divided the fanbase is about shipping characters, the chances for that are extremely slim.

As for the family thing, it too is the result of a SEGA mandate. Now that the comic is closer to the game canon, that would acquire having the main characters' official backstories be kept as well. And in the official canon, characters like Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and others are orphans and aren't allowed to have extended families. The sole exceptions to this rule are Cream's mother, Vanilla, and Jet's father since they've already been established in the games.

Any remaining characters which used to be former-relatives to the main cast are now their own separate individuals. Uncle Chuck is now the elderly uncle-figure to all the Freedom Fighters, and Snively is a former Eggman lackey who later joined G.U.N. for his own personal goals.

[Nightmus]

Alrighty then, the damnations are redirected at SEGA. Be damned the one responsible for Elise, for his/her creation dares to interfere with Sonally future. The bastard!

[LogiTeeka]

In regards to the topic of ongoing storylines in comics, I think Linkara summarized it pretty nicely in this particular Tumblr entry:

http://atopfourthwal...st/120110522753

[HeavensChampion]

 

Oh man, how I hate those misunderstanding plotlines! They are all the same. At the start of it you just know you'll be frustrated until it's over and unless it achieves something in the end, the payoff never compensates for it. Sadly, there's no way to achieve anything for SonSal as apparently Archie thinks love, relationship and family are boring.

Actually, SEGA is the blame here. Not Archie.

One of their mandates states that Sonic isn't allowed to have any romantic relationships. Their reasoning for this rule claims that it goes against his unrestrained personality (which sorta makes sense), but I have a sneaking suspicion that it's the direct result of all their past failed-attempts at inserting romance into the series. I mean, the comic had that whole love-triangle plot, and the plot involving Elise in 06 was widely reviled. Considering the reception, I can see why they decided to drop it completely.

 

We're cursed to be one of the worst fandoms ever for all eternity.

[Uncle Ben]

 

 

Oh man, how I hate those misunderstanding plotlines! They are all the same. At the start of it you just know you'll be frustrated until it's over and unless it achieves something in the end, the payoff never compensates for it. Sadly, there's no way to achieve anything for SonSal as apparently Archie thinks love, relationship and family are boring.

Actually, SEGA is the blame here. Not Archie.

One of their mandates states that Sonic isn't allowed to have any romantic relationships. Their reasoning for this rule claims that it goes against his unrestrained personality (which sorta makes sense), but I have a sneaking suspicion that it's the direct result of all their past failed-attempts at inserting romance into the series. I mean, the comic had that whole love-triangle plot, and the plot involving Elise in 06 was widely reviled. Considering the reception, I can see why they decided to drop it completely.

 

We're cursed to be one of the worst fandoms ever for all eternity.

 

 

With that mentality yes.

 

We can change. It's just gonna take a whole lot but we can

[RedAuthar]

 

 

 

Oh man, how I hate those misunderstanding plotlines! They are all the same. At the start of it you just know you'll be frustrated until it's over and unless it achieves something in the end, the payoff never compensates for it. Sadly, there's no way to achieve anything for SonSal as apparently Archie thinks love, relationship and family are boring.

Actually, SEGA is the blame here. Not Archie.

One of their mandates states that Sonic isn't allowed to have any romantic relationships. Their reasoning for this rule claims that it goes against his unrestrained personality (which sorta makes sense), but I have a sneaking suspicion that it's the direct result of all their past failed-attempts at inserting romance into the series. I mean, the comic had that whole love-triangle plot, and the plot involving Elise in 06 was widely reviled. Considering the reception, I can see why they decided to drop it completely.

 

We're cursed to be one of the worst fandoms ever for all eternity.

 

 

With that mentality yes.

 

We can change. It's just gonna take a whole lot but we can

 

That's actually the problem.  Change.  Every Sonic Fan Division wants to change the fandom.  Make it more understanding.  

 

But every change is "they should be more like us."

 

It's true, the Sonic Fandom is depressingly divided and often times violently aggressive, rather than change anything, we need to just accept that our opinions don't align.  

[Uncle Ben]

 

 

 

 

Oh man, how I hate those misunderstanding plotlines! They are all the same. At the start of it you just know you'll be frustrated until it's over and unless it achieves something in the end, the payoff never compensates for it. Sadly, there's no way to achieve anything for SonSal as apparently Archie thinks love, relationship and family are boring.

Actually, SEGA is the blame here. Not Archie.

One of their mandates states that Sonic isn't allowed to have any romantic relationships. Their reasoning for this rule claims that it goes against his unrestrained personality (which sorta makes sense), but I have a sneaking suspicion that it's the direct result of all their past failed-attempts at inserting romance into the series. I mean, the comic had that whole love-triangle plot, and the plot involving Elise in 06 was widely reviled. Considering the reception, I can see why they decided to drop it completely.

 

We're cursed to be one of the worst fandoms ever for all eternity.

 

 

With that mentality yes.

 

We can change. It's just gonna take a whole lot but we can

 

That's actually the problem.  Change.  Every Sonic Fan Division wants to change the fandom.  Make it more understanding.  

 

But every change is "they should be more like us."

 

It's true, the Sonic Fandom is depressingly divided and often times violently aggressive, rather than change anything, we need to just accept that our opinions don't align.  

 

 

I'm not talking about it being more like a certain group, i was saying we need to be more accepting of the other sectors and more understand of each other

[MoKat]

 One of the things that are great about Satam is a sense of progression and achievement. Each episode brings the heroes closer to their goals.

 

*nods*  I totally agree.

 

Actually that is one of the comic's problems. After establishing SonSal, a third party would create a love triangle, rivaling one for the other's affection. While this could be interesting when done right, most of the time it resaulted in either Sonic or Sally misunderstanding the situation, causing them to move on, which upsets the other, who then attempts to move on before the situation requires them to rekindle.

 

Also true.  Most of the time it -wasn't- "done right" by the nuts at Archie.

 

That's actually the problem.  Change.  Every Sonic Fan Division wants to change the fandom.  Make it more understanding.  

 

But every change is "they should be more like us."

 

It's true, the Sonic Fandom is depressingly divided and often times violently aggressive, rather than change anything, we need to just accept that our opinions don't align.  

 

Red hit the nail square on the head there. 

Unfortunately, there are too many people (in the fandom) who aren't willing to accept that fact & try to force their opinions onto others.

[Uncle Ben]

Hey lets just be glad that we're not as divided as the Final Fantasy series...

 

They are worse than us

[Nightmus]

Hey lets just be glad that we're not as divided as the Final Fantasy series...

 

They are worse than us

I can imagine that. =) The pre-3d fans, the FFVII fans who love/hate the movie adaptation, FF8 enthusiasts/haters, FF9/FFX-2/FF13, mmo generation vs oldschool... The last FF game I was really passionate about was FFX, never tried the mmos though.

 

Back to Sonic, I wonder what's going on in SoA and SoJ executives' minds regarding Satam continuity and fanbase. Of course they aknowledge its existence and realise there's demand and possibly even some money to earn, but not quite enough to gamble and expend resources. However there must be some general opinion on the matter - would either of them rather be assured that Satam characters and story are craved for and will prove lucrative if expanded upon or would they prefer them to fade away with time, so that they can abandon them altogether without losing a significant enough portion of target audience and receiving negative publicity. The latter probably still means losing that portion of fanbase, just without Sega being to blame, yet it still means loss of revenue and wasting the potential of their intellectual property.

[Uncle Ben]

 

Hey lets just be glad that we're not as divided as the Final Fantasy series...

 

They are worse than us

I can imagine that. =) The pre-3d fans, the FFVII fans who love/hate the movie adaptation, FF8 enthusiasts/haters, FF9/FFX-2/FF13, mmo generation vs oldschool... The last FF game I was really passionate about was FFX, never tried the mmos though.

 

Let's be honest, 8 sucked and Squall is dead

 

 

Back to Sonic, I wonder what's going on in SoA and SoJ executives' minds regarding Satam continuity and fanbase. Of course they aknowledge its existence and realise there's demand and possibly even some money to earn, but not quite enough to gamble and expend resources. However there must be some general opinion on the matter - would either of them rather be assured that Satam characters and story are craved for and will prove lucrative if expanded upon or would they prefer them to fade away with time, so that they can abandon them altogether without losing a significant enough portion of target audience and receiving negative publicity. The latter probably still means losing that portion of fanbase, just without Sega being to blame, yet it still means loss of revenue and wasting the potential of their intellectual property.

 

 

SoJ hates anything American, they were reluctant to release Boom over there.

 

If anything SoA would bring them back. But right now i think its best that SatAM stays away from the games, i have no confidence in the current direction of SEGA as a whole.