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[HeavensChampion]

Have you noticed that only a few people on deviantART still draw the Characters that were pulled out of the Archie Comics due to Archie, Sega, and Penders' selfish actions? Characters like Julie-Su, Fiona, and Barby?

[MikeMurdock]

Probally cause there way to pissed off at Ken Penders . That or Afaird Ken will get on there asses since he wants people to give him permission to draw his characters

[RedAuthar]

Mostly because the Archie fans are still only about 1/3rd if not smaller of the Sonic fan base.  Most of the Sonic fans on Deviant Art are fans of the Games.  

 

Archie Sonic has more in the way of Fan Fiction rather than Fan Artwork.

 

 

 

Also people like to draw their Sonic Fan Characters more than actual characters.  

[Shadow]

Ken Penders doesn't own anything. He never did. That's how I see it.

[vgiannell5]

Ken Penders doesn't own anything. He never did. That's how I see it.

Someone should tell HIM that.

Probally cause there way to pissed off at Ken Penders . That or Afaird Ken will get on there asses since he wants people to give him permission to draw his characters

Maybe they should get on Ken's ass for filing that stupid lawsuit.

[Prince ByTor]

I really don't notice a drop in fan works of Penders' characters, but that might be just my experience. In fact I've seen a great deal more of Elias and Fiona lately. However, to be honest I've never really liked the echidnas, so if there is a drop in them it won't hurt my feelings.

If I was a better artist I'd be making more pictures of his characters though; as a SatAM fan I know how it feels to have your favourite characters to be ignored and treated like the unwanted stepchildren.

[Vampfox]

I still see fanart of some of the old Archie Sonic characters such as Scourge, and Fiona on Deviantart pretty often. I don't think that the fanart is going to completely stop anytime soon.

[MoKat]

Probally cause there way to pissed off at Ken Penders .

 

 

Also people like to draw their Sonic Fan Characters more than actual characters.  

 

Probably a combination of those reasons. 

 

I certainly don't draw Knuckles nearly as much as I used to, mostly because I've lost interest.  KP's shenanigans were a factor, but I've moved onto better things & better characters.

[DaddlerTheDalek]

I still see fanart of some of the old Archie Sonic characters such as Scourge, and Fiona on Deviantart pretty often. I don't think that the fanart is going to completely stop anytime soon.

 

This.

[GamemasterAnthony]

I could be wrong on this, but from my perspective a lot of the fancreators I've seen in various venues are usually new to the fandom and as such older versions or generations are not as familiar to them in any way.  As such, older characters such as Fiona or Barby are not known to them as so they won't usually deal with them.  Heck, I didn't know about the Fleetway characters until after I had started writing fanfiction for a while.

 

Thing is, many of these fans will start researching into their chosen fandom and that's when they learn about older series or versions such as SatAm or the older Archie comics, and in many cases will be inspired to create based on what they've discovered.  Mostly due to increased interest from the "How come no one told me this existed?" point of view like I've seen a few people have when they become newer fans of SatAM.  Case in point:  Fans of MLP:FiM who have started incorporating G1 MLP characters into some of their fanart.

 

Just my 2 Mobiums on the subject.  But, again, I could be wrong.

[sonicroc]

 

Ken Penders doesn't own anything. He never did. That's how I see it.

Someone should tell HIM that.

Probally cause there way to pissed off at Ken Penders . That or Afaird Ken will get on there asses since he wants people to give him permission to draw his characters

Maybe they should get on Ken's ass for filing that stupid lawsuit.

 

 

I feel the need to once again point out that Archie, not Ken Penders, filed the lawsuit. 

 
And again, Penders isn't the only person who claims that his work on the Sonic comic were never turned over to Sega; Scott Shaw also does. (cite) Just because you guys don't personally like the fact that the copyrights got screwed up doesn't mean that it didn't happen. 
 
Honestly, I feel so annoying on these forums now, always coming to the defense of Penders, even though I myself find him maddening at times. I just feel that you guys tend to be unfair to him. 
 
 
Here's a bit that I thought might be helpful to point out: Are you guys familiar with Mighty No. 9? 
 
Keiji Inafune, creator of Mega Man, got tired of Capcom and left. He then started a Kickstarter for... a complete ripoff of Mega Man. They have made no attempt whatsoever to cover this up. The main character and his sidekick look very similar to Mega Man and Roll, respectively. Also, the plot and gameplay are almost identical. 
 
Not only are the Mega Man fans not angry about this, they seem to be quite happy. So happy, in fact, that they have provided $100,000 in funds for the project. And a CG animated TV series and a live action movie are both planned. (cite)

 

 

The reason I'm pointing this out is to show how arbitrary a fanbase's judgements can be. I think you guys need to step back and realize that the reason you're all so mad at Ken Penders isn't because he did something wrong but because the specific outcome -- namely, the comic reboot -- apparently isn't to your liking. 

 

 

... And why is that anyway? Most of you guys said over here that you'd prefer a SatAM reboot to a third season, so you must not be against reboots. Sure, the plot was interesting at the time before the reboot, but it's also interesting now. (Well, I'm still somewhat behind... but not as much as I was before.)  This is the nature of ongoing comics. They change over time. The comics post-reboot are much more similar to the comics right before the reboot than the latter were similar to the earlier days of the comics. 

 

I personally love the reboot. Everything feels so fresh. I would in fact go so far as to say that it's the best thing that has ever happened to the comics. And the Freedom Fighters are still here, as well as Naugus, so it's not like the core of the comic has been removed.

 

And once again, Ian Flynn is the one behind the pre-reboot comics, but he is clearly loving the reboot with all the flexibility he now has with the plot. 

 

 

....... I'm sorry... I'm ranting... And I've gone way off-topic...... 

 

I need to stop coming to these forums... The negativity stresses me out... 

[RedAuthar]

Okay...
1) Penders started the whole thing by attacking SEGA and BioWare over Sonic Chronicles.
2) I completely agree that Mighty No 9 is stupid. Id rather have a real Mega Man game than a knock off, even one made by the man behind the Mega Man games.

Penders is the problem. Not only did he start this mess, he rudely attacks those who don't agree with him. The reboot wouldn't have happened at all if Penders hadn't fought for ownership of his characters.
Archie isn't off the hook, they have caused enough damage. And SEGA were ultimately the ones who decided not to pursue the issue and slap Penders down. But again, Penders started the mess, over Sonic Chronicles, and his actions have alienated his would be supporters.

[sonicroc]

I agree with pretty much everything you said, RedAuthar. But here's the thing: Ken Penders is one human being, and the Sonic comic fanbase is quite large. He gets a lot of hate, and it is hard for him to deal with. What happened happened. It doesn't do any good to keep being angry at him forever. 

 

What exactly do you guys want? Do you want him to kill himself or something? Because I guess that's what I honestly think might happen, judging by the way people treat him. Especially once The Lara-Su Chronicles fails. 

 

Honestly, you guys kind of scare me with how much you all seem to hate him. On the whole, this forum seems to be more mature than the Sonic fan masses, but on this particular issue you have all joined the bandwagon, and I can't understand it. 

 

If you have to hate someone, hate me, because I assure you, I am not better than Ken Penders. He filed copyrights for flipping comic book characters! Why is this such a horrendous crime, compared with all the horrible things that people do in this world?! 

[RedAuthar]

Because when you care more about the money or ownership of characters rather than the continuity or reader opinions, you've betrayed your fan base. Penders felt that he should have received money for the Dark Brotherhood in Sonic Chronicles. When that failed he started claiming ownership over the Knuckles Characters and many Sonic Characters from Archie. Originally he just wanted credit/money for creating them, which fair enough, he should get that. However he changed quickly to demanding that Archie cease using his characters because he "didn't like the direction" the comic was going with them. Anyone who spoke out against this, including fans, he verbally attacked. He then demanded ownership on of SEGA characters including Tikal and Shade. He sued SEGA for using his characters in Sonic Mega Collection (at the time when his ownership was still in debate). And claimed he was the one who made Sonic what he was (when he was popular)
These action destroyed many current storylines in the comic, scared SEGA from accepting new characters, forced the reboot, and otherwise been a jerk to fans. Do I wish him dead? No. But does he deed eve pity? Hell no.

[sonicroc]

After having a long, fun day, and then remembering that I'm still in the midst of this pointless argument, I've decided that it'd be best if I just accept that you are going to stay mad about this. I for one am simply going to forget about Ken Penders and enjoy the awesome reboot. I hope you eventually do too. 

[vgiannell5]

I for one am simply going to forget about Ken Penders and enjoy the awesome reboot. I hope you eventually do too. 

Then you're an idiot for accepting the reboot. I for one won't accept it and hopefully it will come to an end.

[LogiTeeka]

I for one am simply going to forget about Ken Penders and enjoy the awesome reboot. I hope you eventually do too.

Then you're an idiot for accepting the reboot. I for one won't accept it and hopefully it will come to an end.

It's his opinion, not yours. No one's forcing you to like it. If anything, THAT's idiotic.

Also, I hate to break it to you, but the comic seems to be experiencing a new wave of popularity since the reboot. Fans seem to be enjoying it more than ever.

While I will miss several elements from the old continuity, it was only a matter of time before something like this would happen. I mean, sooner or later, the comic was going to have to adress the lawsuit and/or change direction due to Sega's demands.

[MikeMurdock]

I do like the reboot myself though I still like elements from the old canon. besides if you don't like it then that's your thing. it's NOT cool to call people a idiot cause you don't like it

[vgiannell5]

I do like the reboot myself though I still like elements from the old canon. besides if you don't like it then that's your thing. it's NOT cool to call people a idiot cause you don't like it

NOT COOL? You don't even what you're talking about.

 

 

I for one am simply going to forget about Ken Penders and enjoy the awesome reboot. I hope you eventually do too.

Then you're an idiot for accepting the reboot. I for one won't accept it and hopefully it will come to an end.

It's his opinion, not yours. No one's forcing you to like it. If anything, THAT's idiotic.

Also, I hate to break it to you, but the comic seems to be experiencing a new wave of popularity since the reboot. Fans seem to be enjoying it more than ever.

While I will miss several elements from the old continuity, it was only a matter of time before something like this would happen. I mean, sooner or later, the comic was going to have to adress the lawsuit and/or change direction due to Sega's demands.

 

Not all fans enjoy the reboot. Besides, the lawsuit was a joke. I wouldn't be surprised if SEGA got sued for making these stupid changes.

[RedAuthar]

 

I do like the reboot myself though I still like elements from the old canon. besides if you don't like it then that's your thing. it's NOT cool to call people a idiot cause you don't like it

NOT COOL? You don't even what you're talking about.

 

No it is legitimately "not cool" to call someone an idiot because their opinion differs from yours.  

 

 

 

I for one am simply going to forget about Ken Penders and enjoy the awesome reboot. I hope you eventually do too.

Then you're an idiot for accepting the reboot. I for one won't accept it and hopefully it will come to an end.

It's his opinion, not yours. No one's forcing you to like it. If anything, THAT's idiotic.

Also, I hate to break it to you, but the comic seems to be experiencing a new wave of popularity since the reboot. Fans seem to be enjoying it more than ever.

While I will miss several elements from the old continuity, it was only a matter of time before something like this would happen. I mean, sooner or later, the comic was going to have to adress the lawsuit and/or change direction due to Sega's demands.

 

Not all fans enjoy the reboot. Besides, the lawsuit was a joke. I wouldn't be surprised if SEGA got sued for making these stupid changes.

 

But some fans do enjoy it, so the point is moot.  

 

And while the lawsuit is a "joke", SEGA still owns Sonic and can pretty much make whatever demands they want, and Archie will have to deal with it.