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[Shadow]

Now, there has been talk over the idea of going back and redoing SatAM all the damn time here. Ideas of incorporating archie stuff, new game stuff, yadayada...However, I've noticed lately there is a strong surge of small projects that people are able to make blossom over the internet over backer websites such as kickstarter.

My idea is merely a suggestion. To put together a team of competent writers, and professional animators from the field for a SatAM project. Perhaps start small and make one or two shorts, complete with proper music and effects. This could be presented to the Sega of America as a pitch for an online series. If approved they would have partial control over the project to make sure nothing strays too far from the roots. People who have worked with Disney, Dreamworks, and Pixar would be key since it would boost the credentials and show their is hollywood talent in it.

Storyboards, concept art, and voices would all have to be made in presentation. But its a big field and there are many fans out there that I'm sure if such a project was spoken about would be happy to lend their talents between schedules.

[sonicroc]

Hmm... This sounds way too much like what Richard Kuta tried to do. That made it pretty clear to me that Sega doesn't want a SatAM reboot.

 

As I understand it, Sega's plan is to have Sonic Boom to be the light-hearted Sonic series, and for the live action movie series to be the more serious one. Between those two, it seems pretty unlikely that Sega would want a third animated series.

 

And hey, the Archie series fits your description fairly well anyway; that's probably as close to what you want as you can hope for.

 

On the other hand, if this idea of yours were to be strictly fan-made... I suppose that would be a decent idea, but... we've already got Sea3on Animated. As I said elsewhere, it seems like we ought to wait until the S3A team makes some sort of announcement, either to introduce a big plan to get it done, or to call it quits. Until then, trying to launch another fan-made animated SatAM series seems counterproductive to me.

 

EDIT: LOL, I feel like such a Negative Nelly.

[RedAuthar]

Ultimately if SEGA says it is okay, there's no problem. However you'd need SEGA's approval just to start the kick starter

[Shadow]

Hmm... This sounds way too much like what Richard Kuta tried to do. That made it pretty clear to me that Sega doesn't want a SatAM reboot.

 

As I understand it, Sega's plan is to have Sonic Boom to be the light-hearted Sonic series, and for the live action movie series to be the more serious one. Between those two, it seems pretty unlikely that Sega would want a third animated series.

 

And hey, the Archie series fits your description fairly well anyway; that's probably as close to what you want as you can hope for.

 

On the other hand, if this idea of yours were to be strictly fan-made... I suppose that would be a decent idea, but... we've already got Sea3on Animated. As I said elsewhere, it seems like we ought to wait until the S3A team makes some sort of announcement, either to introduce a big plan to get it done, or to call it quits. Until then, trying to launch another fan-made animated SatAM series seems counterproductive to me.

 

EDIT: LOL, I feel like such a Negative Nelly.

The thing with Sonmanic that happened was while he did have some good artists suckered in, they were not names that a corporation would pay attention to. He had no budget to pay the people for his work, and it was sloppily put together rather half-assed. There was no soundtrack or voice work for the teaser, which is key for presentation.

 

The only ties to archie would be maybe a tagline of "the best of all worlds" or something. Keep it all traditional animated, no live action or ugly CG. It really cheapens the quality quickly. Sea3on is more of a private little thing for FUS.

[Uncle Ben]

Interesting

[sonicroc]

The thing with Sonmanic that happened was while he did have some good artists suckered in, they were not names that a corporation would pay attention to. He had no budget to pay the people for his work, and it was sloppily put together rather half-assed. There was no soundtrack or voice work for the teaser, which is key for presentation.

 

The only ties to archie would be maybe a tagline of "the best of all worlds" or something. Keep it all traditional animated, no live action or ugly CG. It really cheapens the quality quickly. Sea3on is more of a private little thing for FUS.

 

 

The project you're proposing is either (1) another private little thing for FUS or (2) an official series, licensed by Sega. [EDIT: Just to clarify, IMO, Sea3on Animated would not be "little" at all if it were actually made; that would be quite big.] And what I'm saying is that Sega will never agree to this, because like I said, it just doesn't make sense, especially when you consider the plans for Sonic Boom and the movie series.

 

Sega is trying to make money, and to do this they try to attract new kids while also trying to please their fanbase. The thing is, new kids wouldn't be any more attracted to a SatAM reboot than they would to the likes of Sonic Boom -- probably less, in fact. And the fanbase at large seems to despise SatAM, so a SatAM reboot doesn't make sense on that front either.

 

So an official SatAM reboot seems highly unlikely to me. And if you broaden what you're asking for to just a more serious Sonic series, then Sega already has that in the works with the new movies. Sure live action isn't ideal. But to put it in perspective, at least it isn't going to be like this:

 

 

But.... I'm going to be quiet now. There's really no reason for me to be arguing against you on this; I obviously would like the project you're proposing if it actually happened. I'm just saying that I don't think it will.

 

So there! *does some kind of weird dance and leaves the room*

[sonicroc]

The project you're proposing is either (1) another private little thing for FUS or (2) an official series, licensed by Sega. [EDIT: Just to clarify, IMO, Sea3on Animated would not be "little" at all if it were actually made; that would be quite big.] And what I'm saying is that Sega will never agree to this, because like I said, it just doesn't make sense, especially when you consider the plans for Sonic Boom and the movie series.

 

Sega is trying to make money, and to do this they try to attract new kids while also trying to please their fanbase. The thing is, new kids wouldn't be any more attracted to a SatAM reboot than they would to the likes of Sonic Boom -- probably less, in fact. And the fanbase at large seems to despise SatAM, so a SatAM reboot doesn't make sense on that front either.

 

So an official SatAM reboot seems highly unlikely to me. And if you broaden what you're asking for to just a more serious Sonic series, then Sega already has that in the works with the new movies. Sure live action isn't ideal. But to put it in perspective, at least it isn't going to be like this:

 

No offense man, but you're really missing the point. I think you've seen enough Hollywood movies to know that the Sonic movie that's in the works will just be a giant, money-grabbing special effects fest with little-to-no substance. It's true that, every once in awhile, a movie comes out of Hollywood that's actually good, that actually makes you think. But you'd be a fool to assume that this will be true of a live action Sonic movie.

 

SatAM is a story about the struggle to be a free-thinking individual instead of a passive, mindless servant of those who have power. It's about the conflict between the natural world and the insane practices of humanity. These conflicts are more relevant today than they have ever been throughout history.

 

It's okay if you don't think a SatAM reboot will happen; you're entitled to your opinion. But don't act like the live-action Sonic movie will be anywhere near as good.

[Uncle Ben]

i think you just quoted yourself...

[sonicroc]

i think you just quoted yourself...

 

I promise, I did that on purpose!   It's always so annoying when I come back on here and re-read one of my posts and realize that I don't agree with it at all.

 

I was just like, "Well I better go do some homework n-- Wait, someone dares to suggest that a SatAM reboot could happen?! This must be stopped!" And I just sort of poured out my spiel without stopping to think about whether or not I actually thought the things I was writing.

 

So yeah, what I said doesn't actually make sense. For one thing, there's the Archie comics. I was sure that, what with Sonic Boom coming out, that would be the end of it. But look what we've got now: The Sonic Boom comic is just a separate series running alongside the original and SU, neither of which look like they're in any danger whatsoever.

 

And the Sonic movie is going to be live action. The random people in the Sonic Boom universe are all animals; Dr. Robotnik seems to be the only human around. There's no way such a world would be portrayed in live action, so the movie series must be a whole separate canon.

 

Plus, SatAM DVDs have been on the shelves at the same time as Sonic X has been on Hulu.

 

All this goes to show that Sega doesn't care whether or not there is one consistent version of Sonic out there. So conceivably, the project Shadow suggested could happen if, like he said, we were able to find enough talent that grew up with the show and loved it. While the mainstream Sonic fanbase may not like SatAM on the whole, if it were demonstrated that enough people cared about the show itself, then it's possible something like this could happen.

 

The odds are against it, of course, but I'm not going to allow myself to shoot the idea down like it's some kind of demon spawn.

[Silent X]

Sega's gonna go all out and throw all their eggs in one basket with Sonic Boom unfortunately. Sea3on comic will be the only fan produced SatAM material worth viewing. Hell I'd love to see something new come out with Sally and the other FFs involved, but more so than that I'd love it even more if they picked up where they left off after Doomsday. On an unrelated note, why do the Boom characters look so weird? Knuckles in particular. Reminds me of the new TMNT movie, fixing shit that ain't broke. Lol. 

[sonicroc]

Sega's gonna go all out and throw all their eggs in one basket with Sonic Boom unfortunately. Sea3on comic will be the only fan produced SatAM material worth viewing. Hell I'd love to see something new come out with Sally and the other FFs involved, but more so than that I'd love it even more if they picked up where they left off after Doomsday. On an unrelated note, why do the Boom characters look so weird? Knuckles in particular. Reminds me of the new TMNT movie, fixing shit that ain't broke. Lol. 

 

LOL yeah, normal Knuckles is becoming rare these days. You've got Cloaked Knuckles, you've got Massive Knuckles, you've got Bearded Sheriff Knuckles... I can only imagine what he'll look like in the new movie!

 

I don't know if I'd say their putting all their eggs in one basket; like I said, the movie can't be a Sonic Boom movie... I think they just want people to be focusing on Sonic Boom for now, so it can get as much hype as possible.

 

I read an article on TSSZ not too long ago about how Sega's plan is to have two lines of sorts: Sonic Boom for younger kids, and then, I don't know, something else for the older fans.

[NeonBlack]

While the likelihood of any actual Sega-branded SatAM reboot is pretty much zero, a good fan project could still come out of it even if Sega's involvement in it only goes so far as "Eh, whatever, do what you like just don't try to sell it." There have been plenty of incredibly good fan films and fan series in the past - the Mortal Kombat Legacy and Thomas Jane's Punisher fan film spring to mind.

I actually quite admired the enthusiasm that Kuta had for his project, but a successful project on the scale of a movie or series requires a mix of vision, management skills and capital to cultivate the people with the skill and experience to see it through to its completion. Richard unfortunately didn't have enough of any of these things to ever get his project off the ground, but he probably could've if he'd reined in his scope to something more realistic.

In the meantime at least, I think smaller-scale fan projects like Sea3on are vital to keeping the SatAM candle burning and if there's any way that people can contribute to its continuation, it's a worthy investment.