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Red said he couldnt get one

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Also I still have to figure out how to set up our e-mail accounts on the new host.

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As soon as I figure out how to restore it. Sorry, I know I said it'd be done by now, but I didn't expect to have to put up with this DNS crap and other issues that popped up.

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So when's the black theme coming back??

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"Should"

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That DNS took longer to propagate properly than I thought it would. *Now* we should be back for good, though.

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Or it might be because Bluehost *finally* got around to that server wipe (one week after we'd asked for it) and that wiped out our DNS settings. I'm not sure which and I don't really care. In any case, we've severed our last ties with Bluehost, so this will not happen again.

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Looks like Bluehost yanked our DNS since our hosting account expired. That's why the site went down a while ago. But as you can see, it's fixed now.

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No, they do not.

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The goggles do nothing?

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My eyes.

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Looks like forum uploads might have been broken since last night. That should be fixed now too.

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Heh, whoops! Server went down for a few mins when I borked the config. Looks like it's back up now.

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It looked like a napkin

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Fan-fuckin-tastic.

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As for the beaver picture while the forum was down, I think Tim drew it. On a napkin.

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No kiddin' about that "Finally!", Shadow. I am *so mad* at Bluehost for never responding to our support ticket. I submitted it early Friday morning and they *still* haven't answered it!

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 06:37 PM)

Maybe he did that himself

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:25 PM)

Say, who made the cute picture of Beaver Chief?


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Archie's Dumping All Of Their Exclusive Comic Characters.

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#1 blue

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 09:15 AM

I heard that Archie is dumping all of their established exclusive characters out of the Sonic Comics because of SEGA mandate.

I admit, I didn't expect all of them to appear, but removing them is taking it way too far. While their new characters are interesting enough, it just limit what the creators can do with them. But I guess I have no choice but to live with it since SEGA's probably not going to listen.

What are your thoughts on it.

P.S. Admittedly, i should have sourced it, but I can't any of this other than wikis. 



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Posted 07 September 2014 - 10:09 AM

I heard that Archie is dumping all of their established exclusive characters out of the Sonic Comics because of SEGA mandate.
I admit, I didn't expect all of them to appear, but removing them is taking it way too far. While their new characters are interesting enough, it just limit what the creators can do with them. But I guess I have no choice but to live with it since SEGA's probably not going to listen.
What are your thoughts on it.
P.S. Sorry for not finding the source of this info because I'm lazy.


We can all blame Ken Penders for this, that's why they had the Super Genesis Wave in the comics, as a way to restart and reboot the comic series without his content

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 10:15 AM

Yeah but for me the old world was better, than what the comics world is now. I actually have a hard time stomaching some of the new issues, because of all the changes.



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Posted 07 September 2014 - 10:18 AM

Yeah but for me the old world was better, than what the comics world is now. I actually have a hard time stomaching some of the new issues, because of all the changes.


Why did penders have his content taken out of the comic anyway, I know there was a Lawsuit but what was the reason for it?

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 10:29 AM

 

Yeah but for me the old world was better, than what the comics world is now. I actually have a hard time stomaching some of the new issues, because of all the changes.


Why did penders have his content taken out of the comic anyway, I know there was a Lawsuit but what was the reason for it?

 

The worst part is that Ken Pender's characters aren't the only ones being cut. For gosh sakes, at least keep some of them.



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Posted 07 September 2014 - 11:44 AM

The reasoning behind the lawsuit is pretty sad, and quite frankly redundant. Penders sued Bioware because of some of the enemies "Swat-Bots" resembled his work. So he went and took on EA and won! Now he has full freedom to do what ever he wants with his characters. Although if you think about it. Fiona Fox is not truly his as she was in the ealy days of the comics, when Spaz was the one behind them.



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Posted 07 September 2014 - 12:07 PM

I heard that Archie is dumping all of their established exclusive characters out of the Sonic Comics because of SEGA mandate.

I admit, I didn't expect all of them to appear, but removing them is taking it way too far. While their new characters are interesting enough, it just limit what the creators can do with them. But I guess I have no choice but to live with it since SEGA's probably not going to listen.

What are your thoughts on it.

P.S. Sorry for not finding the source of this info because I'm lazy.

Unless they get boycotted by angry fans who demand to have those characters return to the comics by undoing to reboot or else.



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Posted 07 September 2014 - 02:00 PM

Actually guys they released a list of who is staying and who is being dumped.  When I find the link I'll post it here. 



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Posted 07 September 2014 - 03:13 PM

Actually guys they released a list of who is staying and who is being dumped.  When I find the link I'll post it here. 

Sounds bogus to me. I doubt they're some characters who are staying.



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Posted 07 September 2014 - 06:16 PM

I don't know why all of you are panicking over this now, when this news was announced over a year ago, back when the reboot started. Kinda late on the reaction, don't you think?

The reasoning behind the lawsuit is pretty sad, and quite frankly redundant. Penders sued Bioware because of some of the enemies "Swat-Bots" resembled his work. So he went and took on EA and won! Now he has full freedom to do what ever he wants with his characters. Although if you think about it. Fiona Fox is not truly his as she was in the ealy days of the comics, when Spaz was the one behind them.


I don't know where you got your information from, but some of the details you listed are incorrect.

For staters, the Swatbots aren't his creation; they originated from SatAM. What he's really after are the Marauders/Nocturnus Clan and Shade the Echidna due to "similarities" with his creations: the Dark Legion and Julie-Su. For some stupid reason, he feels that they ripped him off without paying him.

Secondly, Penders didn't win against EA/Bioware... Heck, as far as I know, he hasn't won anything yet. His case was settled alongside Archie's, and both were given equal shares and guidelines which to fallow. Archie wanted to continue using his characters, but Penders wanted their book to be canonical with his upcoming "Lara-Su Chronicles"; something which wouldn't fly well with Sega and their mandates. Having no choice, they decided to drop everything related to his work from the series. And that's how it all came to be.

Also, Auto-Fiona (the original robot) was created by Mike Galligher.

Actually guys they released a list of who is staying and who is being dumped. When I find the link I'll post it here.

Sounds bogus to me. I doubt they're some characters who are staying.
Why is Archie dumping characters anyway?
Does that mean Sally and the freedom fighters are being dumped too?
Think about it, without the SatAM cartoon running that technically makes those characters Archie exclusives?
I mean for f*cks sake, penders literally took more then half of Archie's content cuz of that lawsuit (including characters)
But now Archie wants to take more of their content away?!
Jesus Christ are they trying to make their jobs harder on themselves on purpose.
With less characters and material, means a harder time to write
*sorry for the rant*
Someone should make a petition or something to not only keep these characters, but to bring the material from the pre-genesis wave timeline back

Jeez! Calm down.

Nothing's going to happen to the SatAM cast. They're the main reason why the comic is still continuing. I mean, why would they go through the trouble of reintroducing them in the rebooted continuity if they were eventually going to be dropped from the book anyway? It doesn't make sense.

Yeah but for me the old world was better, than what the comics world is now. I actually have a hard time stomaching some of the new issues, because of all the changes.


Honestly, I'm liking the new continuity so far. The old universe might've had a lot of potential and lore, but a majority of it consisted of mediocre-to-terrible issues that most readers would rather glance over just to reach the Flynn-written ones. In hindsight, it was a comic in a desperate need of a reboot.

This new universe, while closer to the game canon, seems closer to the original TV show's tone than most of the earlier issues ever did. King Acorn's new persona being the biggest homage to SatAM yet. It also feels more consistent and properly put together. Honestly, I'm all for exploring this new universe. There were sacrifices to be made, but it was done so that we could still be reading up on our favorite Freedom Fighters.

Of course, that's just my opinion.

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 06:37 PM

Old news is old....

 

The SatAM characters are safe, and to me thats what matters.

 

However the are a few that i will miss


Some say that he knows 2 facts about ducks, and both of them are wrong. And that 61 years ago he accidentally introduced Her Majesty The Queen to a Greek racialist. All we know is, I'm going to the tower now to have my head cut off, and he is called The Stig.

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 07:53 PM

[Multiple Citations needed.]

 

There is a lot of statements being asserted throughout this thread that we should have links to verify, so in order to avoid rumor, libel, and to formulate more objective and constructive insights about the issues at hand. Frankly, many of you are too, as some have self-proclaimed , "too lazy" to source your posts and many of you have poured a lot of time and passion into your responses, yet frankly do not contribute anything of substance to further any constructive discussion, let alone offer any solutions . Let's remember the goal of discussion is to communicate and reach a edifying consensus and conclusion, not to nag, blab, bicker, and vent - if you want to do that probably you should make a vlog or perhaps argue to a wall with Pender's face drawn on it your favorite choice of crayon.



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Posted 07 September 2014 - 08:07 PM

 

Someone should make a petition or something to not only keep these characters, but to bring the material from the pre-genesis wave timeline back

 

Ugh...Petitions don't usually solve anything.  A petition is just proof that a group of people want certain results.  Not only it doesn't cover the entirety of the fans, there is no promise that SEGA or Archie will even acknowledge its existence.  Petitions work best when you are petitioning POLITICAL ACTION.  

 

Also if it does work fans who disagree could always petition the opposite, or fans who hate the SatAM group could Petition it to cease entirely.  

 

My best suggestion for any fans who want the pre-genesis wave timeline back would be to Fan continue it.

 

 

[Multiple Citations needed.]

 

There is a lot of statements being asserted throughout this thread that we should have links to verify, so in order to avoid rumor, libel, and to formulate more objective and constructive insights about the issue at hand. Frankly, many of you are too, as you said yourself, "lazy" source your posts. Many of you have put some time and passion you pour into your responses, yet they frankly do not contribute anything of substance for further any constructive discussion. Let's remember the goal of discussion is to communicate and reach a edifying consensus and conclusion, not to nag, blab, bucker, and vent.

Ask and ye shall receive:

 

From the Mobius Encyclopedia:

 

This category partains to characters who have been removed from the comic due to the Super Genesis Wave. Whether they still exist off-panel in the new reality or have been completely erased altogether is up for speculation.

 
Currently, only certain characters are 100% confirmed to be gone (particularly characters created by Ken Penders, and alternate reality versions of them by extension), whether any other characters created by past writers, or possibly even SEGA themselves, have been removed still remains to be seen.

 

A

Aaron
Abby (Light Mobius)
Aerial
Albion High Council
Albion Security Team
Alexander Acorn
Alexis Acorn
Alicia Acorn
Amadeus Prower
Ancient Walkers
Angel-La
Anti Jules
Anti Penelope
Anti Rob O' the Hedge
Arachne
Arakkis
Archimedes
Arlo Armadillo
Armand D'Coolette
Aryu One-Two
Athena
Aurora
Aypex
B
Barney
Bear Pack
Bem
Bem High Council
Benedict
Bernadette Hedgehog
Bimmy
Bivalve Clam
Blackjack Bulldog
Brutus Kintobor
Byron
Bzzzz Queen
C
Catweazle
Ceneca-10050
Ceneca-9009
Chaos Knuckles (Light Mobius)
Charlemagne
Christopheles
Cobar
Cocoa Cat
Council of Acorn
Crystal-La
Cynthia-Wa
D
Dark Enerjak
Dark Legion
Dark Legion (Dark Mobius)
Dark Presence
Dave
Dawn-Na
Demi-Na
Deo Volente
Dian-Na
Diesel
Dimitri
Dimitri the Echidna (Light Mobius)
Dingo Regime
Downtown Ebony Hare
Dr. Finitevus
Dr. Ivan Kintobor
Dr. Ivo Robotnik
Dr. Niven
Drago Wolf
Drago Wolf (Dark Mobius)
Duane Quack
D cont.
Dylan Porcupine
E
E.V.E.
Echidna Security Team
Echidna Security Team (Light Mobius)
Edmund
Edmund (P.X.E.)
Eli-Za
Elias Acorn
Elizabeth Quack
Emerson Acorn
Enerjak
Eri-Ka
Erik Horse
F
Feist
Felidae
Fiona Fox
Fire Ant
Fire Ant Council
Flame Legion
Floren-Ca
Frederick Acorn
Frost Legion
G
Gae-Na
Gala-Na
Geoffrey St. John
Geoffrey St. John (Dark Mobius)
George Sommersby
Gerbil
Glint
H
Hamlin Pig
Harlan
Harry
Harry (Light Mobius)
Harvey Who
Hathor
Hawking
Helmut Von Stryker
Hershey St. John
High Council of Echidnaopolis
High Sheriff
Himon
Holmes
Hope Kintobor
Horatio Quentin Quack
Hubert Quack
Hunter
I
Iago
Ian St. John
Irving Pavlov
Isaac
Ixis Naugus (Dark Mobius)
J
Jai-Na
Jaker
Janelle-Li
Jani-Ca
Jeepers
Jeffrey
Jeffrey St. Croix
Jenna-Lu
Jeremiah
Jon O'Hedge
Jordan
Jordann
Juanita
Julayla Chipmunk
Jules Hedgehog
Julie-Su
J cont.
Julie-Su (Dark Mobius)
Julie-Su (Light Mobius)
K
Kage Von Stryker
Kali-Ka
Kanewisher
Kann-Di
Kayla-La
Kicks a Lot
King Bee
King Gong
King Leonus
Kirby
Knecapeon Mace
Knecapeon Mace (Light Mobius)
Kodos Lion
Komi-Ko
Kragok
L
Lara-Le
Lara-Le (Light Mobius)
Lara-Su
Lara-Su (P.X.E.)
Leeta Wolf
Lien-Da
Lien-Da (Dark Mobius)
Lien-Da (Light Mobius)
Liza the Chameleon
Lobo
Locke
Locke the Echidna (Light Mobius)
Lost Tribe of Echidnas
Louise Quack
Luger
Lunama-Re
Lyco Wolf
M
Marcos
Mari-An
Mari-Su
Maria the Wolf
Marta
Martha Sommersby
Mathias
Mechanaut
Megan Acorn
Mello Bee
Menniker
Menthor
Merin-Da
Merlin Prower
Metal Destructix
Minions
Misty-Re
Monk
Moonwatcher
Moritori Rex
Mr. Arrunda
Mykol
N
Nate Morgan
Nemo
Neo Walkers
NICOLE (future version)
Nicolette the Weasel
O
Original Freedom Fighters
P
Paladin
Penelope Platypus
Perriwinkle
Polysaurus Rex
P
Pravda
Prelate-JS
Prelate-S
Prelates
Princess Bee
Professor Clarke
Q
Queen Bee
R
Radar
Rat
Raynor
Raynor (Echidnaopolis)
Razorklaw
Regi-Na
Rembrandt
Remington
Remington (Dark Mobius)
Renfield T. Rodent
Republic of Angel Island
Riki-Le
Rita-Le
Rob o' the Hedge
Robo-Robotnik v1.0
Rosa-Lyn
R cont.
Rosemary Prower
Rudyard
Rutan
Rykor
S
Sabre
Sabre (Light Mobius)
Saffron Bee
Salma
Sasi-Ka
Semper Fidelis
Shazi-Ah
Sherman Walrus
Shockra
Simon
Siwa-Ra
Sleuth "Doggy" Dawg
Sojourner
Sojourner (Light Mobius)
Sonja-Ra
Spectre
Spectre (Dark Mobius)
Spectre (Light Mobius)
Spencer
S cont.
Stealth 'Bot
Steppenwolf
Streaking Pasha
Super A.D.A.M.
Syntar
T
Templar Knights of Aurora
Teri-Lu
Theodore Acorn
Thunderhawk
Toady
Tobor
U
Uma Arachnis
V
Valdez the Chameleon
Vera-Lo
Verti-Cal and Horizont-Al
Voni-Ca
W
Wanda-Ra
Wynmacher
Wynmacher (Light Mobius)
X
Xenin
Xorda
Y
Yanar
Z
Zax

I'd also like to point out half of these characters are one timers anyways. 



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Posted 07 September 2014 - 08:11 PM

I agree with Stranger here; there's a lot of 'facts' being thrown about without anything to back it up.

 

I too am missing a lot from the 20 years of comic history that has been lost because of Penders and Sega of Japan's mandates. Ones like Elias, Megan as well as the anti-selves and ones like Fiona I personally will really miss; they'll have to live on in fan works, which in my opinion is more cannon than anything that has come out officially in some time. Personally I really don't like how two-dimensional and bland the SatAM cast has become in the comic, but at least they are still 'alive' officially unlike the comic-only characters.



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Posted 07 September 2014 - 08:41 PM

 Ultimately, I do personally want to sate that these lawsuits are minor in long term import. Unless our ever so sensible government has a collective has another massive collective brain-fart and magically decides to subsidize Ken Pender's superbly sub-par and fantastically forgettable work, I doubt he will have any future prosperity in his career due to his legal witch-hunts (no one will hire this guy if he is indeed suing everyone person he has worked for prior), his lack of worthy product, and his gross ostracization of his only potential fan-base and source of consumers for his product. It's basic Capitalism - the people will decide the fate of products with their money and the product he peddles is predestine to paltry sales at the most.. The courts can give him all the legal copyright reign over the world but that does not mean he will be able to do anything with it. In the end, he may even let slip his grip over the rights of his work to Archie yet again for a pittance in order to pay rent...we can hope.  



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Posted 07 September 2014 - 08:52 PM

Yet Penders wants written permission for the use of his characters in any fan works according to his site


Some say that he knows 2 facts about ducks, and both of them are wrong. And that 61 years ago he accidentally introduced Her Majesty The Queen to a Greek racialist. All we know is, I'm going to the tower now to have my head cut off, and he is called The Stig.

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 08:54 PM

Yet Penders wants written permission for the use of his characters in any fan works according to his site

Link please.  Last time you made this claim the proof was rumor, nothing from Penders himself on it. 



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Posted 07 September 2014 - 09:00 PM

 

Yet Penders wants written permission for the use of his characters in any fan works according to his site

Link please.  Last time you made this claim the proof was rumor, nothing from Penders himself on it. 

 

 

It was on his forums, ill try to find it again


Some say that he knows 2 facts about ducks, and both of them are wrong. And that 61 years ago he accidentally introduced Her Majesty The Queen to a Greek racialist. All we know is, I'm going to the tower now to have my head cut off, and he is called The Stig.

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 09:12 PM

 

 

Yet Penders wants written permission for the use of his characters in any fan works according to his site

Link please.  Last time you made this claim the proof was rumor, nothing from Penders himself on it. 

 

 

It was on his forums, ill try to find it again

 

K. 



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Posted 08 September 2014 - 02:05 AM

I don't know why all of you are panicking over this now, when this news was announced over a year ago, back when the reboot started. Kinda late on the reaction, don't you think?

The reasoning behind the lawsuit is pretty sad, and quite frankly redundant. Penders sued Bioware because of some of the enemies "Swat-Bots" resembled his work. So he went and took on EA and won! Now he has full freedom to do what ever he wants with his characters. Although if you think about it. Fiona Fox is not truly his as she was in the ealy days of the comics, when Spaz was the one behind them.

I don't know where you got your information from, but some of the details you listed are incorrect.

For staters, the Swatbots aren't his creation; they originated from SatAM. What he's really after are the Marauders/Nocturnus Clan and Shade the Echidna due to "similarities" with his creations: the Dark Legion and Julie-Su. For some stupid reason, he feels that they ripped him off without paying him.

Secondly, Penders didn't win against EA/Bioware... Heck, as far as I know, he hasn't won anything yet. His case was settled alongside Archie's, and both were given equal shares and guidelines which to fallow. Archie wanted to continue using his characters, but Penders wanted their book to be canonical with his upcoming "Lara-Su Chronicles"; something which wouldn't fly well with Sega and their mandates. Having no choice, they decided to drop everything related to his work from the series. And that's how it all came to be.

Also, Auto-Fiona (the original robot) was created by Mike Galligher.

Actually guys they released a list of who is staying and who is being dumped. When I find the link I'll post it here.

Sounds bogus to me. I doubt they're some characters who are staying.
Why is Archie dumping characters anyway?
Does that mean Sally and the freedom fighters are being dumped too?
Think about it, without the SatAM cartoon running that technically makes those characters Archie exclusives?
I mean for f*cks sake, penders literally took more then half of Archie's content cuz of that lawsuit (including characters)
But now Archie wants to take more of their content away?!
Jesus Christ are they trying to make their jobs harder on themselves on purpose.
With less characters and material, means a harder time to write
*sorry for the rant*
Someone should make a petition or something to not only keep these characters, but to bring the material from the pre-genesis wave timeline back
Jeez! Calm down.

Nothing's going to happen to the SatAM cast. They're the main reason why the comic is still continuing. I mean, why would they go through the trouble of reintroducing them in the rebooted continuity if they were eventually going to be dropped from the book anyway? It doesn't

Sorry, I was panicking the other night, whatever happens with the comic with the remainder of content, lets hope it's good




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