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@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 11:25 AM)

Also I still have to figure out how to set up our e-mail accounts on the new host.

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 08:19 AM)

As soon as I figure out how to restore it. Sorry, I know I said it'd be done by now, but I didn't expect to have to put up with this DNS crap and other issues that popped up.

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

So when's the black theme coming back??

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

"Should"

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 07:27 AM)

That DNS took longer to propagate properly than I thought it would. *Now* we should be back for good, though.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:48 PM)

Or it might be because Bluehost *finally* got around to that server wipe (one week after we'd asked for it) and that wiped out our DNS settings. I'm not sure which and I don't really care. In any case, we've severed our last ties with Bluehost, so this will not happen again.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:08 PM)

Looks like Bluehost yanked our DNS since our hosting account expired. That's why the site went down a while ago. But as you can see, it's fixed now.

@  Misk : (23 July 2015 - 04:55 PM)

No, they do not.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 04:27 AM)

The goggles do nothing?

@  Misk : (22 July 2015 - 05:50 PM)

My eyes.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 12:24 PM)

Looks like forum uploads might have been broken since last night. That should be fixed now too.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 01:33 AM)

Heh, whoops! Server went down for a few mins when I borked the config. Looks like it's back up now.

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 09:09 PM)

It looked like a napkin

@  ILOVEVHS : (21 July 2015 - 09:04 PM)

Fan-fuckin-tastic.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:25 PM)

As for the beaver picture while the forum was down, I think Tim drew it. On a napkin.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:24 PM)

No kiddin' about that "Finally!", Shadow. I am *so mad* at Bluehost for never responding to our support ticket. I submitted it early Friday morning and they *still* haven't answered it!

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 06:37 PM)

Maybe he did that himself

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:25 PM)

Say, who made the cute picture of Beaver Chief?

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:24 PM)

Finally!

@  RedMenace : (21 July 2015 - 05:02 PM)

Woooo! The site's back up! Three cheers for Kef!


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#41 Frieza2000

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Posted 22 November 2014 - 07:23 PM

What's sad is that Hurst probably DID answer some of these qualms one way or another, as there were mythical Post-It notes, possible additional writing never released, etc. (He claims a whole big backstory he wrote for Blast to the Past for example.) We're just sort of stuck with what we have.

That reminds me, I didn't necro-bump the topic tracking that this year. I guess I'll wait for the 5 year mark before harassing Paul again. Seriously man, why are they hiding this stuff?! Does someone need to tell Pat Allee that hoping for syndication is a pipe dream? SegaSammy just launched another Sonic cartoon that's probably going to fail. They will never ever revisit SatAM! A script shouldn't have taken this long and we're approaching the limit of what I would expect a commissioned Flash production to reasonably take so I'm beginning to think it's just being buried, either by Pat or 'Nique.



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Posted 22 November 2014 - 07:33 PM

That reminds me, I didn't necro-bump the topic tracking that this year. I guess I'll wait for the 5 year mark before harassing Paul again. Seriously man, why are they hiding this stuff?! Does someone need to tell Pat Allee that hoping for syndication is a pipe dream? SegaSammy just launched another Sonic cartoon that's probably going to fail. They will never ever revisit SatAM! A script shouldn't have taken this long and we're approaching the limit of what I would expect a commissioned Flash production to reasonably take so I'm beginning to think it's just being buried, either by Pat or 'Nique.

 

I lived with Sonique, phone-friend to Ben Hurst etc., for 5 years until August 2013... and I had full access to her computer files doing backups and whatever. (At the risk of sounding like a creep, I installed the OS, maintained the thing, etc... she realistically could keep no computer-based secrets from me in that time frame if I was looking for something.) I was the guy she came crying to the day he died. So believe me, she wasn't hiding anything. :P She swears up and down that all she has is Ben's partial movie script and whatever she got by word-of-mouth over the phone, which isn't really a whole lot more. 

 

After Ben died, Sonique was called by Pat asking if she wanted some "stuff" from Ben, which she agreed to, but this "stuff" was never sent, as far as we know. Sonique felt too guilty to bother Pat about it any further. Whether Pat never sent it or there was an error in the address it was sent to I simply do not know. But your answer will not come from Sonique since she feels emotionally unable to bother Pat about it even now. (I bugged her about this maybe a month ago or so over Skype.)



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Posted 22 November 2014 - 07:47 PM

Hmmm.... Lots of questions and mystery and tragety all that stuff that could make for a good story in and of itself... I remember some stuff coming up on the old SatAM forums when there was an inverview with Ben on there, close to the time I first joined (I've been around longer than my profile indicates, but the origional profile got deleted during a forum move). I wish I'd had the foresight to copy stuff like that... I do recall some talk of more background being explored... But my memory's rather fuzzy on precise details. I've had a lot of migraines since then... It could well be that the information unfortunatly died with Ben...


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Posted 22 November 2014 - 07:50 PM

Hmmm.... Lots of questions and mystery and tragety all that stuff that could make for a good story in and of itself... I remember some stuff coming up on the old SatAM forums when there was an inverview with Ben on there, close to the time I first joined (I've been around longer than my profile indicates, but the origional profile got deleted during a forum move). I wish I'd had the foresight to copy stuff like that... I do recall some talk of more background being explored... But my memory's rather fuzzy on precise details. I've had a lot of migraines since then... It could well be that the information unfortunatly died with Ben...

 

Basically I summarized everything Ben said publically here: http://www.sonicepoc.../?content=hurst -- which includes links at the bottom to the collections that are on a different site. But to keep it short, Ben never released anything significant publicly about post-Season 2, keeping hope until his death that Season 3 or a movie would be made, and only revealed minor, inconclusive hints. After his death, Sonique, one of the chosen few to receive documents beyond his public revelations, released his "movie" sketch to the public. So, basically, we don't know a lot more than what's already there. The only hope beyond that is the aforementioned "stuff" that may or may not still be in Pat's hands. I don't know what Pat has, but if she has anything, that's your hope. Otherwise, it's gone to Ben's grave.



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Posted 22 November 2014 - 08:11 PM

Basically I summarized everything Ben said publically here: http://www.sonicepoc.../?content=hurst -- which includes links at the bottom to the collections that are on a different site. But to keep it short, Ben never released anything significant publicly about post-Season 2, keeping hope until his death that Season 3 or a movie would be made, and only revealed minor, inconclusive hints. After his death, Sonique, one of the chosen few to receive documents beyond his public revelations, released his "movie" sketch to the public. So, basically, we don't know a lot more than what's already there. The only hope beyond that is the aforementioned "stuff" that may or may not still be in Pat's hands. I don't know what Pat has, but if she has anything, that's your hope. Otherwise, it's gone to Ben's grave.

 

 

Holy shit.... the info here. Its kinda sad reading this, i mean the potential


Some say that he knows 2 facts about ducks, and both of them are wrong. And that 61 years ago he accidentally introduced Her Majesty The Queen to a Greek racialist. All we know is, I'm going to the tower now to have my head cut off, and he is called The Stig.

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Posted 22 November 2014 - 08:13 PM

Holy shit.... the info here. Its kinda sad reading this, i mean the potential

 

 

If you mean his "Nicole" story in the "movie", that totally both freaked me out AND excited me when I read it. There's something I love about it.



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Posted 22 November 2014 - 08:23 PM

 

Holy shit.... the info here. Its kinda sad reading this, i mean the potential

 

 

If you mean his "Nicole" story in the "movie", that totally both freaked me out AND excited me when I read it. There's something I love about it.

 

 

Yeah. The potential still is  great


Some say that he knows 2 facts about ducks, and both of them are wrong. And that 61 years ago he accidentally introduced Her Majesty The Queen to a Greek racialist. All we know is, I'm going to the tower now to have my head cut off, and he is called The Stig.

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Posted 22 November 2014 - 10:03 PM

After Ben died, Sonique was called by Pat asking if she wanted some "stuff" from Ben, which she agreed to, but this "stuff" was never sent, as far as we know. Sonique felt too guilty to bother Pat about it any further. Whether Pat never sent it or there was an error in the address it was sent to I simply do not know. But your answer will not come from Sonique since she feels emotionally unable to bother Pat about it even now. (I bugged her about this maybe a month ago or so over Skype.)

 

:whaa:

 

Can...can somebody ask Pat for her? Not to sound insensitive to her plight but seriously, Ben said he put it in his will that his mountain of notes should be released to the community on his death. Anyone of you pillars of the community should be able to take the reigns on this. I mean, at this point I'll hunt down her professional profile and do it myself if I have to.

 

Why do I have to be the one to bring this stuff to light? Like, I can't graps this. I've never even been a part of this community! I'm just a guy who had a lasting experience with the show and was really impressed with Ben's passion for his work and his integrity. This is Season 3 we're talking about! The holy grail that you spent over a decade pursuing! Why am I the only one who keeps bringing this up? Well, until this topic - at least now I know there's one other person out there who cares enough to follow up on it.

 

Seriously man...all I need is those notes and the new DBZ movie coming out in April and I can die happy.



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Posted 22 November 2014 - 10:26 PM

 

After Ben died, Sonique was called by Pat asking if she wanted some "stuff" from Ben, which she agreed to, but this "stuff" was never sent, as far as we know. Sonique felt too guilty to bother Pat about it any further. Whether Pat never sent it or there was an error in the address it was sent to I simply do not know. But your answer will not come from Sonique since she feels emotionally unable to bother Pat about it even now. (I bugged her about this maybe a month ago or so over Skype.)

 

:whaa:

 

Can...can somebody ask Pat for her? Not to sound insensitive to her plight but seriously, Ben said he put it in his will that his mountain of notes should be released to the community on his death. Anyone of you pillars of the community should be able to take the reigns on this. I mean, at this point I'll hunt down her professional profile and do it myself if I have to.

 

Why do I have to be the one to bring this stuff to light? Like, I can't graps this. I've never even been a part of this community! I'm just a guy who had a lasting experience with the show and was really impressed with Ben's passion for his work and his integrity. This is Season 3 we're talking about! The holy grail that you spent over a decade pursuing! Why am I the only one who keeps bringing this up? Well, until this topic - at least now I know there's one other person out there who cares enough to follow up on it.

 

Seriously man...all I need is those notes and the new DBZ movie coming out in April and I can die happy.

 

 

Well, let's be sensible. I mean, I spiritually feel the same way you do. I've often thought "Just give me the contact info of Pat and I'll...", but we're still dealing with people here. I've brought it up, people I've associated with have brought it up, but we still have to adhere to some modicum of respect over the death of somebody. I'll personally say I'm really bad at PR (hence why I wouldn't do it alone), but I'm sure if we can come together as a community and sort of decide on a friendly-but-persuasive letter to get Pat to come up with whatever she's got (even if it goes to Sonique, who I can at least ask to share), it would probably be the best way to go about it. (Although I seriously doubt Sonique would be a linchpin, given her ties to this community.)



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Posted 22 November 2014 - 10:43 PM

I don't think Pat would mind at all! She already promised she'd do it. Either she forgot or the notes are lost forever. I think a simple, polite, humble inquiry, even from someone random claiming to represent the community, would hardly be seen as out of line. So...someone get on that. Now that I know I'm going to be following up on this a little more than bi-yearly.

 

I think everyone would agree that the notes should ultimately end up with Sonique, but if she can't handle scanning them in a timely manner right now then some other trusted name would surely be willing to help.



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Posted 22 November 2014 - 11:40 PM

I bugged Sonique over Skype about this, here's what she had to say (copy and paste from her, not me):
 

Ben wasn't going to send me notes
he sent me everything he had
no one is going to go to Pat and say, "Hey you know how your best friend in the world died 5 years ago, well I was wondering if you could rummage through his old stuff so we can see what was going to happen on a cartoon that died almost 20 years ago!"
I'm not hiding anything
 


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 12:17 AM

That sounds like a different situation than you described. I just want to know if the thing got lost in the mail. Shouldn't be any rummaging needed if this was already set up like you said. We're talking about what was in his will, not some promise he made to send her anything. Is she forgetting or misunderstanding, or are you misremembering?



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Posted 23 November 2014 - 01:42 AM

That sounds like a different situation than you described. I just want to know if the thing got lost in the mail. Shouldn't be any rummaging needed if this was already set up like you said. We're talking about what was in his will, not some promise he made to send her anything. Is she forgetting or misunderstanding, or are you misremembering?

 

Pat offered to send "stuff" back in 2010. I won't answer anymore for Sonique, she can answer herself at this point. She's got some login snafu with the forum holding her up. (But still, I personally promise she's not withholding as of 2013.)

 

Even so, no promises as to what Sonique was due. Could have just been more plastic Sonic pins for all I know. (I'm referring to trinkets she got from Hurst over the years.) It was seriously just described as "stuff" to me. As long as she was being even remotely honest with me, I don't think Sonique knew any more than that anyway. Sonique did mention Pat may have said it was a "box" of stuff.

 

Believe me, I want new "post-Season 2" stuff as bad as you do, and I was front line to get it at the most critical period. I'm pretty sure we're all only relying on Pat, and I don't want to give the impression she's holding back because she seriously might not have anything anyway! So basically, approach this respectfully and we should be okay.

 

 

EDIT: I wrote this really late and I think it sounded funny, so I'm cleaning it up.



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Posted 23 November 2014 - 11:28 AM

I apologize if my little conspiracy theorizing there was insulting to her. I never meant to suggest she was lying or had ill intent, it just seemed there had to be some kind of secret given what appeared to be her refusal to confirm or deny what Pat was doing. It never occurred to me that the reason was that it was still too fresh a wound; I though a year would be long enough of a wait before asking about it. I'm also sorry if anyone thinks it's tactless of me to continue talking about this, but I see this like pulling off a band-aid. Dragging it out will only prolong the pain. Once we have a definitive answer it will be over and nobody will ever bother her or Pat again.

 

Yes we're all curious, but this isn't even about what I or any of us wants; it's about what Ben wanted. I think half the reason I still care is because Ben cared. It was back when he showed up on this forum to answer questions years ago that I went from being curious about what could've been to regularly checking the news feed. His enthusiasm was contagious and I really wanted to see him get the chance to fulfill his dream of finishing the story. This was his masterpiece that he never stopped thinking about. Even if he never finished it, even if all that's left for us to find are nebulous ideas, he cared enough about the fans getting to see it to put it in his last will and testament. We may not get anything, but let it not be said that we didn't even look.

 

If you were right and this was just a mailing error or Pat forgot, someone just needs to ask her if she knows what happened. If, as Sonique seems to suggest, there are still boxes of documents that haven't been sorted through yet and Pat doesn't have the time or the emotional fortitude to do it, then the right thing to do is enlist someone to help. I'm willing to pay for a professional document management company or a file clerk or someone to come pick up whatever's left and either go through it or digitize it for easy searching if she'd feel more comfortable doing it that way, but I'm sure many of us would also be willing to fly out there and spend a week going through a storage garage full of papers if that's what it takes.

 

Despite my zeal, I'd be perfectly willing to accept Pat's refusal. These last 4 years I've honestly just been waiting for somebody to say that there are definitely no more notes or in any event that this is all we're ever going to get, but nobody's been willing to tell me that. I just want closure, and to be able to say that I did everything I could to help.






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