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[TheRedStranger]

Hopefully it stays like dat

 

 Wait...

 

Knuckles and the Chaotix called...they want their concept back,

 

Yeah, I can see this being a cop-out and a simplistic way to write the character's out of a problem conviniantly but inconsistently within the narrative: just like George Lucas had Obi-Wan using force-speed in the begining of Episode One: The Phantom Menace To The Art of Cinema then not using it when chasing Darth Cool-Look-But-No-Character Mual. But I will withhold my judgements untill they can be affirmed. Any Ad-Hoc plot device can come off as cheesy if not played right and it not given enough belivability and rational context. For example Bending has rules and regulations in Avatar: The Last Air-Bender. The goal as writer is to keep stuff like this fresh, exciting, and more importantly down-played to keep it from cheapening the conflict. Again an example: the power rings were flashy and powerful in Satam but were quickly consumable, could be misused and stolen by an anatagonistic force, and were slow to produce. You can make something like that work well without cheapening the conflict.

[RedAuthar]

Uh just to let you know...lore wise Obi-Wan did use the boost to try and catch up.  

[TheRedStranger]

Uh just to let you know...lore wise Obi-Wan did use the boost to try and catch up.  

 

It's fair to be fair...I'm okay with that.

 

 But it should've been clearly conveyed through the filmograpahy. Remember we can always humbug a plot-hole post-filming with in universe explanations, but the wise writer makes that humbuggery unecessary (Lucas only wrote one draft of the dang script - If he had people question him a little bit instead of brown-nosing that probably would've been fixed before throwing millions of dollars into filming and us having this conversation). It's a break from the suspension of disbelief to have to justify a crucial scene after the fact with sloppy ad-hoc explanations not conveyed with in the strict context of the film/s...It's still a crappy plot-hole in the realms of the given media. 

 

Let's hope Sonic Boom doesn't suffer such complications. I actually doubt it will. It seems that there is some effort put into it (unless the capricious Cartoon Network pulls the plug randomly like it does for several aborted fair-to-good shows). I hate when that happens...

[RedAuthar]

 But it should've been clearly conveyed through the filmograpahy. Remember we can always humbug a plot-hole post-filming with in universe explanations, but the wise writer makes that humbuggery unecessary (Lucas only wrote one draft of the dang script - If he had people question him a little bit instead of brown-nosing that probably would've been fixed before throwing millions of dollars into filming and us having this conversation). It's a break from the suspension of disbelief to have to justify a crucial scene after the fact with sloppy ad-hoc explanations not conveyed with in the strict context of the film/s...It's still a crappy plot-hole in the realms of the given media. 

 

That actually implies that the movie actually was worse then the originals which it isn't.

 

The problem actually is that most fans just didn't like the new direction Star Wars took.  Midi-chlorians, Jar Jar, Vader turning out to be a whiny kid...I can see how those things can make us dislike the first movie but honestly, Boba Fett is just as cool but not really doing anything as Maul, Han even screws up with Parsecs in episode 4 causing the lore to have to fix his mistake (meaning he piloted his ship within twelve parsecs of a black-hole within the Kessel Run, but listen to the way he said it, that definitely wasn't the original plan), The Ewoks being based of the Vietcong and the Empire being based of Nazis (with british accents for some reason), The original trilogy is filled with just as many mistakes/racial references/pointless characters.    The real reason they stand out so much in Episode I is that because you don't like the direction it took, thus you focus on the mistakes that appear.  

[TheRedStranger]

 The real reason they stand out so much in Episode I is that because you don't like the direction it took, thus you focus on the mistakes that appear.  

 

 

 

 

Don't assume...it's a cardinal rule to a rational diologue. And, in this case you assumptious conclusion is a classic example of Conditional Argumentum Ad Homenum (As opposed to "You're a poppy-head" Abusive Argumentum Ad Homenum, so it's not like you're being immature about anything, this a common fallacy). Here I'll explain: Causality (and in this case an assumed cause on my position) doesn't not effect the validity of an argument. An example: a smoker can say smoking is unhealthy and just because they smoke doesn't mean the smoker is wrong in saying smoking is wrong.

 

You know we have a section for this Red...and you have missed the point I've been trying to make to the relevant topic at hand. I would continue this tangent if you wish but you have missed the enitre point of what I was trying to say and focused on this specific analogy, which lends evidence that you're just tying to be...disagreeable. :/

 

 Back to the topic at hand...

[RedAuthar]

I just don't like it when people pick on Phantom Menace for being a bad movie when it really isn't.  Was it a good Star Wars Movie is debatable but as a Movie in itself it was rather good. 

 

And technically I can turn that around to fit the topic at hand as well. 

 

Sonic Boom is going to be new territory for all Sonic fans and some will hate it and some will love it.  My recommendation however is to try it for yourselves before passing judgement.  Many longterm fans will hate it for it's different approach but that doesn't mean the show itself will be bad.  Judge it for the quality of the show not the quality of the Sonic.  

[ILOVEVHS]

I just don't like it when people pick on Phantom Menace for being a bad movie when it really isn't.  Was it a good Star Wars Movie is debatable but as a Movie in itself it was rather good. 
 
And technically I can turn that around to fit the topic at hand as well. 
 
Sonic Boom is going to be new territory for all Sonic fans and some will hate it and some will love it.  My recommendation however is to try it for yourselves before passing judgement.  Many longterm fans will hate it for it's different approach but that doesn't mean the show itself will be bad.  Judge it for the quality of the show not the quality of the Sonic.

I genuinely enjoy Episode 1 as a Star Wars film, but anyway...

I personally am very excited, but I'll wait to see what the games and show actually unfold.

[TheRedStranger]

I just don't like it when people pick on Phantom Menace for being a bad movie when it really isn't.  Was it a good Star Wars Movie is debatable but as a Movie in itself it was rather good. 
 
And technically I can turn that around to fit the topic at hand as well. 
 
Sonic Boom is going to be new territory for all Sonic fans and some will hate it and some will love it.  My recommendation however is to try it for yourselves before passing judgement.  Many longterm fans will hate it for it's different approach but that doesn't mean the show itself will be bad.  Judge it for the quality of the show not the quality of the Sonic.

I kinda believe the opposite is true (for one William outdid himself with that aural masterpiece Duel of The Fates and ILM out did them selves in many regards, and bits of lore like Pod-Racing were clunking in perimeters plot, yet awesomely apt for the Star-Wars milieu). It's the sloppy narrative that concerns me as a person who appreciates cinema generally (I like Sergio Leonine, Chris Columbus, and Lucas and James Cameron before Hollywood screwed their worldview, and worldview and thus their ability to create credible and constructive narrative). But I will explain an meticulously interact with and respectfully entertain your argumentation within the appropriate thread soon.

I agree completely...Sonic has to grow with ibis fandom and Story survives on it's conservative retellings. This could all surprise us. Sonic Boom might even nuance the franchise for the better while sticking to true to Sonic's corse tone and mythos. Nitpicking aesthetics out of the context of a series not yet experienced is silly.

[ILOVEVHS]

Concept art. You can see some Eggman mechs, some new characters, and what looks like a redesign for Marine, of all people.

[RedAuthar]

It would make sense for a character designed after SEGA's designs.  

[LogiTeeka]

Already, the character designs are looking much more creative compared to most other official characters, but without alienating the overall Sega style.

[Ogilvie]

Bob Rafei's Jak and Daxter influences are shining through pretty nicely with some of those concepts, I think. These robots have a definite Jak vibe to them, to say the least!

[Hammer]

I'm not going to lie, I like Robotnik's design.

Btw, is he going to be called Robotnik?

[furrykef]

I've never liked that open jacket design. Made everyone look like dorks in the ST:TOS movies.

[RedAuthar]

Honestly Robotnik's SatAM outfit is the stupidest.  I know it looks dumber on AoStH Robotnik but that's more fitting for that show.  His SatAM outfit looks like the Court Jester's costume, and while he himself can be very intimidating...his outfit just isn't. 

[Uncle Ben]

Boom Eggman looks disproportionate

[RedAuthar]

....so do all the others.  

[LogiTeeka]

In comparison to all the other incarnations, "Boom Eggman" looks the most normal. The Baron motif really seems appropriate for such a flamboyant mad scientist/industrialist like himself, and it doesn't seem that distracting.

I mean, what ARE the others wearing exactly?

[Mike Arcade]

Aside from The Roosevelt Pajamas Eggman is wearing in that concept art? From what I can make of it in The Games Eggman wears similar clothing, In The Classic Era he's wearing a long red shirt with a yellow cape (which is what makes the yellow in his sprite and artwork in front of him), black boots and black pants with what appears to be big buttons on them. In The Games what he wears today is like in The Classic Days, Black Pants and Black Boots only without the buttons on them. He now has a Red Lab coat that has the big buttons his pants lost with some stylized white stripes and yellow squares, also he has goggles now.

 

As for AoSTH and SatAM Robotnik, you CAN make out the boots and gloves, but everything else? Insert you're S&M jokes here because I got nothing, I think he's wearing grey pants underneath what appears to be some type of body suit, that's the best I can come up with. Although I will give SatAM Robotnik props for keeping His Sega Counterpart's Cape.

 

I do like the His Boom Design, his body structure looks a tiny bit like his Pajamas self, coming full circle? Also it might just be the most normal Eggman has ever looked.

 

In STC The AoSTH look was given to him early on in the book, which makes you wonder why the hell they would do that, but some of the artists actually made the look intimidating sometimes, no kidding. Come to think of his Later STC Look kind of reminds me of his Boom Look Body Structure wise.