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[RedAuthar]

Just in my defense, 8/10 times I've been less efficient in a group. Only when I need help with a task has a group sped up my progress, and very rarely has it improved my quality.

[furrykef]

Ah, but there's a difference between a group whose members can complement each other's strengths and weaknesses, and a group of random people.

[TheRedStranger]

Ah, but there's a difference between a group whose members can complement each other's strengths and weaknesses, and a group of random people.

 

 

Exactly. Collaboration is the hallmark of every great work, every artistic endeavor has some form of extraneous support. Not mention if they have the same convictions pertaining to execution and end goals... then it will only improve the productivity and quality of the work. 

 

One person carrying that burden sounds like a stupid idea. If his legs go out from under him...so does the comic.

[Kingsquee]

One person carrying that burden sounds like a stupid idea. If his legs go out from under him...so does the comic.

 

 

Yep. I might be interested in penciling - will email some samples. I've never done comics before though, so an example script would be great to try out. Paneling is an art all its own.

[TheRedStranger]

 

One person carrying that burden sounds like a stupid idea. If his legs go out from under him...so does the comic.

 

 

Yep. I might be interested in penciling - will email some samples. I've never done comics before though, so an example script would be great to try out. Paneling is an art all its own.

 

 

Yes, it is. It's all about making things fit together and flow from one panel to the next.

 

There are whole books dedicated to it, Like Wizard's How to Draw: Storytelling.

[RedAuthar]

Ah, but there's a difference between a group whose members can complement each other's strengths and weaknesses, and a group of random people.

Exactly. Collaboration is the hallmark of every great work, every artistic endeavor has some form of extraneous support. Not mention if they have the same convictions pertaining to execution and end goals... then it will only improve the productivity and quality of the work.

One person carrying that burden sounds like a stupid idea. If his legs go out from under him...so does the comic.

1) Many great artists did not have support from anyone.

2) That same one person can cause a whole group to collapse if they can't pull their own weight.

The trick is we have to test it first before we can determine if it'll be worth the effort.

[TheRedStranger]

 

 

Ah, but there's a difference between a group whose members can complement each other's strengths and weaknesses, and a group of random people.

Exactly. Collaboration is the hallmark of every great work, every artistic endeavor has some form of extraneous support. Not mention if they have the same convictions pertaining to execution and end goals... then it will only improve the productivity and quality of the work.

One person carrying that burden sounds like a stupid idea. If his legs go out from under him...so does the comic.

1) Many great artists did not have support from anyone.

2) That same one person can cause a whole group to collapse if they can't pull their own weight.

The trick is we have to test it first before we can determine if it'll be worth the effort.

 

 

I don't mind testing the group dynamic.

 

1) Hmm...like Leonoardo Da Vinci (Catholic Church/Private Suppoters), Michelangelo (Catholic Church/Private Supporters), Shakespear (English Royalty/Other Aristocratic Supporters), Stephen King (his wife saved Carrie from being throw in the trash). And that's just people backing them financly. Every episodic work like this has taken a team...

 

2). Preventable and fixable, especially if you have someone like me who can do more than one thing.

[Shadow]

I wasn't aware their were condition's of applying. I sent off preexisting comic pages I had done as what I can do.

[RedAuthar]

1) Financial backing doesn't count.  Being paid to do something is not a collaboration.  

 

2) Unfair counter-argument. If we are considering this person to fall behind on their own they still would in the group.  If the person can't carry their own weight in the group, Unless someone else is doing the same job, it causes the same amount of damage.  

[TheRedStranger]

1) Financial backing doesn't count.  Being paid to do something is not a collaboration.  

 

2) Unfair counter-argument. If we are considering this person to fall behind on their own they still would in the group.  If the person can't carry their own weight in the group, Unless someone else is doing the same job, it causes the same amount of damage.  

 

1) I already gave you one King gets support via very close friends during the editing process. But all the credits to your favorite movies should work just as fine. ...Afterall, I've never seen a movie where it just says: made by me. Comics are the same way in many respects. You got writers, pencilers, inkers, colorists, letters/composers, publishers (both print and digital).

 

2) This con can be margianlized through proper screening of the choosen individuals and some oversight. And like I already said you can have overlap and auxillary through guys like myself who have done all three. 

[furrykef]

If we are considering this person to fall behind on their own they still would in the group.  If the person can't carry their own weight in the group, Unless someone else is doing the same job, it causes the same amount of damage.

While it would still be bad for somebody to fall behind, I think the point is that we can cover each other if it should happen, whereas with no team, a holdup means no comic. For example, supposing a hypothetical team of you, me, and The Red Stranger (we have way too many Reds around here...), IIRC, all three of us can pencil, ink, and color. We might have our preferences, but if one of us fails to do our job, we have two other people who can do it until the third guy recovers or is replaced as appropriate.

[RedAuthar]

 

If we are considering this person to fall behind on their own they still would in the group.  If the person can't carry their own weight in the group, Unless someone else is doing the same job, it causes the same amount of damage.

While it would still be bad for somebody to fall behind, I think the point is that we can cover each other if it should happen, whereas with no team, a holdup means no comic. For example, supposing a hypothetical team of you, me, and The Red Stranger (we have way too many Reds around here...), IIRC, all three of us can pencil, ink, and color. We might have our preferences, but if one of us fails to do our job, we have two other people who can do it until the third guy recovers or is replaced as appropriate.

 

That makes a lot more sense.  

 

Still the group needs to be tested before we know if it's the method to take.  

[TheRedStranger]

 

 

If we are considering this person to fall behind on their own they still would in the group.  If the person can't carry their own weight in the group, Unless someone else is doing the same job, it causes the same amount of damage.

While it would still be bad for somebody to fall behind, I think the point is that we can cover each other if it should happen, whereas with no team, a holdup means no comic. For example, supposing a hypothetical team of you, me, and The Red Stranger (we have way too many Reds around here...), IIRC, all three of us can pencil, ink, and color. We might have our preferences, but if one of us fails to do our job, we have two other people who can do it until the third guy recovers or is replaced as appropriate.

 

That makes a lot more sense.  

 

Still the group needs to be tested before we know if it's the method to take.  

 

 

Uh, that's what I just said as well (sorry if I was being verbos or convoluted).

 

 I agree with you en toto.

[RedAuthar]

If we are considering this person to fall behind on their own they still would in the group. If the person can't carry their own weight in the group, Unless someone else is doing the same job, it causes the same amount of damage.

While it would still be bad for somebody to fall behind, I think the point is that we can cover each other if it should happen, whereas with no team, a holdup means no comic. For example, supposing a hypothetical team of you, me, and The Red Stranger (we have way too many Reds around here...), IIRC, all three of us can pencil, ink, and color. We might have our preferences, but if one of us fails to do our job, we have two other people who can do it until the third guy recovers or is replaced as appropriate.

That makes a lot more sense.

Still the group needs to be tested before we know if it's the method to take.

Uh, that's what I just said as well (sorry if I was being verbos or convoluted).

I agree with you en toto.

That's not what you said at all

[TheRedStranger]

If we are considering this person to fall behind on their own they still would in the group. If the person can't carry their own weight in the group, Unless someone else is doing the same job, it causes the same amount of damage.

While it would still be bad for somebody to fall behind, I think the point is that we can cover each other if it should happen, whereas with no team, a holdup means no comic. For example, supposing a hypothetical team of you, me, and The Red Stranger (we have way too many Reds around here...), IIRC, all three of us can pencil, ink, and color. We might have our preferences, but if one of us fails to do our job, we have two other people who can do it until the third guy recovers or is replaced as appropriate.

That makes a lot more sense.
Still the group needs to be tested before we know if it's the method to take.

Uh, that's what I just said as well (sorry if I was being verbos or convoluted).
I agree with you en toto.

That's not what you said at all

2) This con can be margianlized through proper screening of the choosen individuals and some oversight. And like I already said you can have overlap and auxillary through guys like myself who have done all three.

I said it twice I believe.

Now are we gonna beat a dead horse or talk business.

[Prince ByTor]

1) Financial backing doesn't count.  Being paid to do something is not a collaboration.  

 

2) Unfair counter-argument. If we are considering this person to fall behind on their own they still would in the group.  If the person can't carry their own weight in the group, Unless someone else is doing the same job, it causes the same amount of damage.  

 

The answer to this: Cross Training; it's wot many businesses use as a training model. While everybody does what comes best, you also make it a prerequisite that he/she practices the other jobs, so if one drops out the others can take up the slack. In know this isn't a big business, but if FUS is to grow it might behoove us to adopt some of the model at some level.

[RedAuthar]

If we are considering this person to fall behind on their own they still would in the group. If the person can't carry their own weight in the group, Unless someone else is doing the same job, it causes the same amount of damage.

While it would still be bad for somebody to fall behind, I think the point is that we can cover each other if it should happen, whereas with no team, a holdup means no comic. For example, supposing a hypothetical team of you, me, and The Red Stranger (we have way too many Reds around here...), IIRC, all three of us can pencil, ink, and color. We might have our preferences, but if one of us fails to do our job, we have two other people who can do it until the third guy recovers or is replaced as appropriate.

That makes a lot more sense.
Still the group needs to be tested before we know if it's the method to take.

Uh, that's what I just said as well (sorry if I was being verbos or convoluted).
I agree with you en toto.

That's not what you said at all

2) This con can be margianlized through proper screening of the choosen individuals and some oversight. And like I already said you can have overlap and auxillary through guys like myself who have done all three.

I said it twice I believe.

Now are we gonna beat a dead horse or talk business.

You're right, priorities....

*Grabs baseball bat*


We still need a project to test the group. Without a test run all this horsebeatin' amounts to nada.

[furrykef]

First we'd need a group to test.

[RedAuthar]

I wouldnt mind penciling 

[ILOVEVHS]

I recommend Blackwing pencils. They're the same kind Chuck Jones used.