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[Louis the Hedgehog]

[Shadow]

The U.S. is going to end up like the Soviet Union. Putting all their money into the military, until the economy crumbled in on itself.

[Vlad Yvhv]

I see a blank post. I hate it when people just post videos with no explanations for topics like this.

[Louis the Hedgehog]

I see a blank post. I hate it when people just post videos with no explanations for topics like this.

In a nutshell, this is an unmanned hypersonic replacement for the SR-71 that can go roughly twice as fast. I don't think this can reach orbit, but it might pull off a sub-orbital lob.

 

Just like the SR-71, this engine is of a combined cycle variety. However, the J-58 engines of the SR-71 are primarily turbojets with six bypass tubes allowing it to act as a ramjet as well but as an afterthought. This time, the ramjet is the primary part with turbofan engines above it as an afterthought, but still sharing the same inlet and nozzles to save weight.

[Uncle Ben]

Who cares?

[RedAuthar]

Who cares?

I care more about a spyplane than I do about some random sports player who I've never heard about before.  

[TheRedStranger]

The U.S. is going to end up like the Soviet Union. Putting all their money into the military, until the economy crumbled in on itself.

 

  My father works for the Department of Defense as a Logistician among Federal and State auditors...He could tell you things that could turn your thick blood to watery ice if you knew about them and the lack of funding due to our current adminstration...you have no idea what you're talking about. Let's just say their a lot of vetrans, that fought for your freedom, that are homeless and jobless due to the current more than lackluster adminstration scalping our military funding, and then there a lot of holes in our homeland defense (and you forget...when a hurricane blows by or riots run through the streets it's the National Guard that fixes the problem).   

 

Si vis pacem, para bellum, amico.

 

Communism ruined the Soviet Union...not their martial actions and financing. And we are not the Soviets, we have different and superior economic system due to having a free market (well, at least we strive for one but the current adminstration sticks it's fingers where they don't belong in people's businesses).  Also it's a sad historical fact that war stiumlates economy and scienctific advancement, it's how we became a superpower after World War Two in the first place. And if you knew anything about our current budget (or lack there of) you would realize that we are in age of terrorism and we are turning our backs to a world of would be slayers of American innocence. 

 

 Our defict mostly goes into most assine of things, and not important things like our armed forces. For example our welfare system is pathetic, I should know I am Community Living Technician. Most of our disabled can't get funding for basic living because it's being pipe lined in no end projects like Obamacare and handed out to places like Pakistan (2 Billion, man...and they harbour terrorists). Why I know one kid that would have been homeless if weren't for a friend.

[Vlad Yvhv]

 

I see a blank post. I hate it when people just post videos with no explanations for topics like this.

In a nutshell, this is an unmanned hypersonic replacement for the SR-71 that can go roughly twice as fast. I don't think this can reach orbit, but it might pull off a sub-orbital lob.

 

Just like the SR-71, this engine is of a combined cycle variety. However, the J-58 engines of the SR-71 are primarily turbojets with six bypass tubes allowing it to act as a ramjet as well but as an afterthought. This time, the ramjet is the primary part with turbofan engines above it as an afterthought, but still sharing the same inlet and nozzles to save weight.

 

Sweet. That sounds awesome. Any chance of links to pages with info on this project?

 

Who cares?

People like me. People who saw the SR-71 like many people see a fine Italian sports car. Something we'll never have, but can hope of one day seeing. It took me 20-something years to cross "Touch an SR-71" off my bucket list, but it was as awesome an experience as I imagined it would be. This sorta thing gives people like me something else to put on the bucket list.

 

 

Who cares?

I care more about a spyplane than I do about some random sports player who I've never heard about before.  

 

Damn straight. At least a spyplane is doing something for us. I'd rather see my money go to finance something that can go Mach 7+ into the statosphere and get a clear shot of my liscence plate, than that money going to some overpayed jock.

[Shadow]

Sure...the money to finance new international wars the US government seem to start once every 2 years or so, along with the development of technology for more missiles and drone bombings in no way affects the countries budget. The money to finance rebels in middle eastern countries who are linked with Al Quida, and develop more nukes is 'scalping'.

[TheRedStranger]

Sure...the money to finance new international wars the US government seem to start once every 2 years or so, along with the development of technology for more missiles and drone bombings in no way affects the countries budget. The money to finance rebels in middle eastern countries who are linked with Al Quida, and develop more nukes is 'scalping'.

I never said that. Every choice effects the budget...that's why it is a budget. Right now our current administration has cut out the military to the point of me having to watch real people in real life suffer after they fought for the people that voted for the current idiocracy (which has ironically blown the deficit wide open more than any group in our nation's history, though they have drastically cut this particular budget).

Overall this a nigh conspiratorial aspersion, not an argument. I really don't see you citing anything substantial or making any cogent points. You also haven't entertained any of my points about the national guard and the humanitarian efforts of the military.

Unmanned Aircraft should be funded...Military research should funded overall. It leads to break throughs in engineering, medicine, and the sciences overall. What better place to test the weight of an idea than in heat of combat.

[Shadow]

Money should be for helping the country itself, not preparing for constant war or starting them. If it spent more money on health,schools,and agriculture over building the latest death machines you can pilot from home their would be less people on the streets suffering from PTSD from Afganistan. No other country in the world besides maybe Korea has spent so much money on its military when their is no threat of attacks.

[TheRedStranger]

You still haven't entertained my points in the matter. Or given a counter to my rebuttal of your original assumptions position...

And since we are apart of the global community and the complex politics that coincide with such, we must be ready to strike at a moments notice to maintain world affairs and better yet deter others from striking us. We have only really "started" one preemptive war in our history (which ironically was bipartisan in it's decelration). Over two hundred hears of our existence have involved the need to carry a big and sharp stick. From the Revolution, to The War of 1812 to the Mexican American War to the Civil War, to The Spanish War, to World War One, to World War Two, to Korea, to the The Cold War , to Vietnam, to the battles in Central America , and Various "Warm Conflicts" in places like the Middle East, to constant dealings of the CIA (if Clinton didn't cut the on the ground funding of the CIA during the FIRST attack on the Twin Towers in 1991 they'd probably still be there and Al-Quieda a red grease stain) to border protection, to mitigating disasters like Katrina, to Desert Storm, to the ongoing conflicts, our military has had to be ripe and ready for the protection of our people and the furtherance of our nation as well a deterrent from the ambitions of others.

You also forget the long while concept of an Arms Race. If you allow your military to slip with the times you'll end up like the Polish cavalry against the German Blitz: eviserated.

As for those people who suffer from PTSD, I know them personally...and they don't like the current cuts for the reasons I have explained. Support of this oversimplified "solution" of our complex budget problem will only hinder safety, prosperity, and progress, not further it.

Shadow the only reason you can denounce the military the way do is because a braver and stronger men suffered for your freedom. You should be thankful, rather than spiteful to their cause, which you really don't seem to have a wholistic understanding thereof. Lay off the blithe remarks and simply think of better an more grounded solutions.

Instead of cutting the chord I say we make the budgeting more logistically effective by making the military less "stove pipped" in its budget and More fluid with it's transfer between branches, making a more wholistic system. This would encourage financial and resource intercooperation and a form of bartering on various projects and limit internal hoarding/money grubbing and internal conflict between the various division of our armed forces. Also, this would make auditing an act of balance among disparate branches according to their changing needs. Then you would have a possible surplus - eliminating the current ineffective, procrustean methods - instead of just facilitating an insufferable lack with the budgeting methods still out of hand. Right now your idea just isn't working well..But this one I think should be applied - the key words are accountability and intercooperation. I dare say in all our divisions of government this would lead to a superior balance of powers in who holds what resource and allocating where it is most needed. Then we wouldn't be blowing dough on silly things like putting two-million in unneeded animal testing, Ect.

[Shadow]

The whole reason Al-Qaeda was made was in direct act of US military occupying Pakistan after driving out the Soviets. They were the ones who trained the soldiers and armed them, at the same time angering them for taking control over their land. The attack in 2001 was not condoned by any middle eastern government, and didn't need an army to come and slaughter millions of people who had nothing to do with them. As for wars...the US has started tons of them when they were in no danger of being attacked. Shall I list them?

War of 1812

Puerto Rican revolts (1950)

Vietnam War (1953–1975)

Congo Crisis (1960–1965)

Bay of Pigs Invasion (1961)

Colombian conflict (1964–present)

War in Bolivia (1966–1967)

First Gulf of Sidra incident (1981)

Action in the Gulf of Sidra (1986)

Bombing of Libya (1986)

Invasion of Panama (1989–1990)

Persian Gulf War (1990–1991)
 

There are tons more! All these wars and strikes were of attempts to control the world around them. The only wars that required the direct action of North America was WW2.

[TheRedStranger]

The whole reason Al-Qaeda was made was in direct act of US military occupying Pakistan after driving out the Soviets. They were the ones who trained the soldiers and armed them, at the same time angering them for taking control over their land. The attack in 2001 was not condoned by any middle eastern government, and didn't need an army to come and slaughter millions of people who had nothing to do with them. As for wars...the US has started tons of them when they were in no danger of being attacked. Shall I list them?
War of 1812
Puerto Rican revolts (1950)
Vietnam War (1953–1975)
Congo Crisis (1960–1965)
Bay of Pigs Invasion (1961)
Colombian conflict (1964–present)
War in Bolivia (1966–1967)
First Gulf of Sidra incident (1981)
Action in the Gulf of Sidra (1986)
Bombing of Libya (1986)
Invasion of Panama (1989–1990)
Persian Gulf War (1990–1991)

There are tons more! All these wars and strikes were of attempts to control the world around them. The only wars that required the direct action of North America was WW2.

You are really still aren't going any where with this, especially since you conveniently leave out why these wars were fought according to the political atmosphere of the times. War is more a race for certain security than a simple boxing match. If you have to wait for a force to be knocking at your door...you've done wrong in setting up the protection your nation and your allies. For example if we did not get involved in Korea, South Korea would be a dead dump and if we didn't fight the Soviets indirectly and smack around greedy dictators like Kadalphi the world or at least large swaths of it would kow-tow to totalitarian insanity, create global instability, generate the spread of Soviet Communism, and risk the West's economic then eventual physical safety. There are motivations as to why these fights were fought and taking away a military budget is not going to help people either way nor will it bring moral reform or progress (or help the problems I have already mentioned yet fail entertain). I won't say that every fight we have had (say Iraq) is 100% justified, no fight with any nation for any nation ever is. Yet your plan is not the solution to the issue of whether a war is just or not...and bickering will not certainly bring about positive change in the matter. It will only make problems worse. As for official sanctions within government against the U.S...of course they would never do as such. These are corrupt and duplicitous governments filled with a wholistic worldview that is Islamocentric and revile Western ideals that I'm sure we both cherish. Just watch Saudi Arabian television to see what I am getting at.



The KGB took over Afghanistan in less than three days, they wanted an edge against the west, we supplied the Mujhadeen the means to fight...and then some of their number stabbed us in the back. Today's ally is tomorrow's enemy. Don't castigate America without castigating to their governments as well, and just note while you point fingers people are still shooting at you or gunning for your interests, undercutting them sigh their own subversive agendas. You are to Bolshevikian in your approach...revolution in the Leninist sense never works we need gradual reform and this sloppy ideologuery hack job against our military will not extricate us from the complex mess we are all internationally in.

[Uncle Ben]

Money should be for helping the country itself, not preparing for constant war or starting them. If it spent more money on health,schools,and agriculture over building the latest death machines you can pilot from home their would be less people on the streets suffering from PTSD from Afganistan. No other country in the world besides maybe Korea has spent so much money on its military when their is no threat of attacks.

 

I agree with Shadow, the US spends WAY too much on defense. If you look at the amount spent a year you could combine China, Russia, South Korea and Germany and they wouldnt be half of what we spend

[TheRedStranger]

Money should be for helping the country itself, not preparing for constant war or starting them. If it spent more money on health,schools,and agriculture over building the latest death machines you can pilot from home their would be less people on the streets suffering from PTSD from Afganistan. No other country in the world besides maybe Korea has spent so much money on its military when their is no threat of attacks.

I agree with Shadow, the US spends WAY too much on defense. If you look at the amount spent a year you could combine China, Russia, South Korea and Germany and they wouldnt be half of what we spend

Citate.

Of course we put a lot of money in defense for various reasons given our precarious political position and the massivity of our country compared to tiny South Korea (who is dependent on our military), Japan (who is dependent on our military),Germany (They caused a mess...if they start building a big military, people will start worrying ), and other various countries who would need our help if things went south. The problem is not in how much, but what is done with the money that will bear economic fruit. I've already given an explanations as to why the budget cut has not helped, why it's hurting people, and why is a counter productive decision.

You have not entertained the arguments above nor my method of managing the budget. Cutting your kid's allowance won't teach him finance responsibility and that goes for our whole country right now (especially welfare). Just cutting our defense and hopping it will change the trajectory of the deficit is an idiot ideologue's gambit. Obama's administration has stole away any responsible progress we have made in the complex matter, in fact they have multiplied the impact of the problem...Seems they are too busy persecuting people groups via the inept IRS to make that change they were yapping about...but they sure are taking it.

Also realize if you want our country to prosper it will not be done on a federal level. Pour people need to make better economic choices in a grass roots level and actually work to better the economy.

[RedAuthar]

Wow...

 

I'mma gonna move this topic to the debate.

[Louis the Hedgehog]

Oh great, this topic has gone political. Yes, military spending is out of control, but that is because of this massive empire we have to maintain. But we cannot keep this up forever, despite how much I want this technology to advance.

 

Plus I'm sick and tired of anyone suggesting that we trim our military spending of "not supporting our troops". Well excuse me but do you know how much of that money we spend actually goes to our troops? Any clue? And if military spending actually DOES make the economy then why are we in a recession? Why is there still an employment gap? Why is the gap between rich an poor widening?

 

I'll post more later.

[Vlad Yvhv]

Well, since we're in the debate forum already, I might as well speak my mind...

Drones rock and Jocks suck!

[Louis the Hedgehog]

Well, since we're in the debate forum already, I might as well speak my mind...

Drones rock and Jocks suck!

Uhhhhhh, what?

 

Anyway, I knew something like this would be around sooner or later due to the information collected by projects such as these.

http://www.youtube.c...g?v=FIbW8-Ow50I