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@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 11:25 AM)

Also I still have to figure out how to set up our e-mail accounts on the new host.

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 08:19 AM)

As soon as I figure out how to restore it. Sorry, I know I said it'd be done by now, but I didn't expect to have to put up with this DNS crap and other issues that popped up.

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

So when's the black theme coming back??

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

"Should"

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 07:27 AM)

That DNS took longer to propagate properly than I thought it would. *Now* we should be back for good, though.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:48 PM)

Or it might be because Bluehost *finally* got around to that server wipe (one week after we'd asked for it) and that wiped out our DNS settings. I'm not sure which and I don't really care. In any case, we've severed our last ties with Bluehost, so this will not happen again.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:08 PM)

Looks like Bluehost yanked our DNS since our hosting account expired. That's why the site went down a while ago. But as you can see, it's fixed now.

@  Misk : (23 July 2015 - 04:55 PM)

No, they do not.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 04:27 AM)

The goggles do nothing?

@  Misk : (22 July 2015 - 05:50 PM)

My eyes.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 12:24 PM)

Looks like forum uploads might have been broken since last night. That should be fixed now too.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 01:33 AM)

Heh, whoops! Server went down for a few mins when I borked the config. Looks like it's back up now.

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 09:09 PM)

It looked like a napkin

@  ILOVEVHS : (21 July 2015 - 09:04 PM)

Fan-fuckin-tastic.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:25 PM)

As for the beaver picture while the forum was down, I think Tim drew it. On a napkin.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:24 PM)

No kiddin' about that "Finally!", Shadow. I am *so mad* at Bluehost for never responding to our support ticket. I submitted it early Friday morning and they *still* haven't answered it!

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 06:37 PM)

Maybe he did that himself

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:25 PM)

Say, who made the cute picture of Beaver Chief?

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:24 PM)

Finally!

@  RedMenace : (21 July 2015 - 05:02 PM)

Woooo! The site's back up! Three cheers for Kef!


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#1 Louis the Hedgehog

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 07:55 PM

Rather than waiting for the economy to open up for my career path, I've decided to make a bold move. I'm actually going to build a plane. It will be a small one and it won't actually carry any people, so it will be remote controlled.

 

But here is the thing, it will go SUPERSONIC. Right now the challenge will be to find remote control systems that will have a very long range, as well as a camera that also has a very long range.

 

I'm still analyzing the engine figures but I want the top speed to be at least Mach 1. However I know not everything is 100% efficient so I am trying to optimize the engine performance for Mach 1.1 to allow a margin.

 

So does anyone have any advise or concerns about this? Also I'm thinking there might be restrictions as to where this can be flown supersonically.


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Posted 31 December 2013 - 09:33 PM

Mach 1 with a remote controlled aircraft? I might suggest an SR-71 body shape, metal construction, and some effing jet fuel... Not sure where you'd get the last one... Or scale jet engines, for that matter. But you can find designs for the SR-71 online. Or at least you could in 1998, when I had to do a report on the cold war in Highschool...


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Posted 31 December 2013 - 09:35 PM

One suggestion.

Name it the Tornado or else.
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Posted 31 December 2013 - 09:59 PM

So does anyone have any advise or concerns about this? Also I'm thinking there might be restrictions as to where this can be flown supersonically.

Research, trial and error, don't give up.

 

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 10:17 PM

Jet fuel is easy to find.  I sell the stuff.  Gotta order it in but yes.   Any airport should sell Jet and Nav Fuel. 



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Posted 01 January 2014 - 01:15 PM

 

Mach 1 with a remote controlled aircraft? I might suggest an SR-71 body shape, metal construction, and some effing jet fuel... Not sure where you'd get the last one... Or scale jet engines, for that matter. But you can find designs for the SR-71 online. Or at least you could in 1998, when I had to do a report on the cold war in Highschool...

I was thinking more of a flying wing design, well almost, with wingtips used as rudders and elevators attached to them.

 

 

Research, trial and error, don't give up.

 

Everytime you test it make sure you keep track of what works and what doesn't work.

I plan to do testing before this thing even flies. I'm guessing that this will have a mass of 30 kilograms but it looks like it may even be lighter than that. I still need to do an aerodynamic analysis so I know who much the drag will actually be at Mach 1.1 so I can determine the lift to drag ratio.

 

 

Jet fuel is easy to find.  I sell the stuff.  Gotta order it in but yes.   Any airport should sell Jet and Nav Fuel.

I was hoping the engine could run on ethanol. It was the same fuel used to run the V2, along with water to cool it down. But this is not a ROCKET, this is a JET.

 

I am using the assumption of an aluminum core, but I doubt that will end up being the case. Assuming that a force of a little less than 20 Newtons is needed from an exhaust nozzle area of .1 m^2 (assuming the best possible lift to drag ratio at Mach 1.1), I have found the best thrust to power ratio would be .001844 (N/W). This accomplished with a bypass ratio of slightly less than 21, a fan pressure ratio of 1.00912, and a compressor ratio of 28.34045.

 

I'll discuss more later.


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Posted 02 January 2014 - 07:58 PM

I doubt a scale flying wing design could reach true Mach 1. You have to take the aerodynamics into consideration. Remember that when you scale down a design, you're also scaling up the relative speeds it will achieve (at 1/3 size, you achieve scale Mach 3 by the time you reach true Mach 1). So, you'll need a FAST design. The SR-71 still holds the world record for speeds attained by a jet. So, I'd say that it's a much better design option if you're not just looking to reach "scale Mach 1". So, make sure to factor scale into your equations and simulations, too, so you don't wind up just making something that goes fast, but nowhere near true Mach 1. Depending on just what scale size you use, you may keep running into the "nothing we've built can go that fast" wall, and have to design something even faster than the SR-71's design can handle (the real world limitation on the jet was skin temperature, rather than thrust and aerodynamics; It would be possible for one to actually punch the speed up enough to vaporize the titanium, if not for safeguards on the controls).

 

You're also going to need a shitload of propulsion to pull it off. If you don't want to use a rocket, you're going to have to have a lot of fuel and powerful engines. Again, the SR-71 design comes into play. The body is mostly fuel tank and engines. Additionally, you'll need something like the nose cones on the engines to slow the air down enough to not cause engine flameouts near the Mach 1 barrier, while still providing enough oxygen for combustion.

 

Also, where you are may be a factor in getting jet fuel, it seems. Go buy some from Cheif or something. I know that if you tried getting some for a project like this around here, you'd probly wind up playing 20 Questions with the NSA... Of course, it doesn't help that this area is just plain too poor to support any population of people with private jets, so there're really no market for private jet fuel sales, here.


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 02:32 PM

 

I doubt a scale flying wing design could reach true Mach 1. You have to take the aerodynamics into consideration. Remember that when you scale down a design, you're also scaling up the relative speeds it will achieve (at 1/3 size, you achieve scale Mach 3 by the time you reach true Mach 1). So, you'll need a FAST design. The SR-71 still holds the world record for speeds attained by a jet. So, I'd say that it's a much better design option if you're not just looking to reach "scale Mach 1". So, make sure to factor scale into your equations and simulations, too, so you don't wind up just making something that goes fast, but nowhere near true Mach 1. Depending on just what scale size you use, you may keep running into the "nothing we've built can go that fast" wall, and have to design something even faster than the SR-71's design can handle (the real world limitation on the jet was skin temperature, rather than thrust and aerodynamics; It would be possible for one to actually punch the speed up enough to vaporize the titanium, if not for safeguards on the controls).

WHAT?! Since when does something SMALLER create MORE drag? That makes no sense. If that were REMOTELY true, I would have heard something about that by now, and I should know because I went to school for this.

 

You're also going to need a shitload of propulsion to pull it off. If you don't want to use a rocket, you're going to have to have a lot of fuel and powerful engines. Again, the SR-71 design comes into play. The body is mostly fuel tank and engines. Additionally, you'll need something like the nose cones on the engines to slow the air down enough to not cause engine flameouts near the Mach 1 barrier, while still providing enough oxygen for combustion.

Using a jet engine would be lighter, cheaper, and use a LOT LESS FUEL compared to a rocket. Here is why. Rocket and jets both use propellant to make something move. Now a ROCKET by definition has to have all of its propellant stored internally, and is usually the same chemical as the fuel for chemical rockets. A JET is air-breathing and therefore uses the AIR as the propellant and therefore ONLY needs to carry the fuel. That, and because it is far easier to cool for the same reason, the heaviest part of a rocket is usually the fuel/propellant tanks, and jets require far less fuel. This gives jets a far greater specific impulse (how long a pound of fuel can create one pound of thrust) usually resulting in a jet that create a fixed level of thrust for hours, and usually rocket that create the same level of thrust only for a few minutes, maybe worse.

 

Also, where you are may be a factor in getting jet fuel, it seems. Go buy some from Cheif or something. I know that if you tried getting some for a project like this around here, you'd probly wind up playing 20 Questions with the NSA... Of course, it doesn't help that this area is just plain too poor to support any population of people with private jets, so there're really no market for private jet fuel sales, here.

Again, I'm using ETHANOL. It should be relatively common to obtain since it is even used in gas-powered fireplaces. On top of that my most liberal estimates of fuel consumption is less than half of a gram per second.


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 08:27 PM

No. Making something smaller makes the same amounts of force exerted upon them feel like more than they really are to the model. What I'm saying is that you have to take that into account. You may be saying that the model is going X mph, but the model reacts like it's going Y mph. If you're going to do simulations on a design, I'm just saying to make sure to make sure the simulation knows that you're doing so with a scale model, rather than something full-sized. Design A may be able to handle Mach 1+ at full scale, but it may not be able to handle it at Scale B.


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Posted 08 January 2014 - 07:54 PM

No. Making something smaller makes the same amounts of force exerted upon them feel like more than they really are to the model. What I'm saying is that you have to take that into account. You may be saying that the model is going X mph, but the model reacts like it's going Y mph. If you're going to do simulations on a design, I'm just saying to make sure to make sure the simulation knows that you're doing so with a scale model, rather than something full-sized. Design A may be able to handle Mach 1+ at full scale, but it may not be able to handle it at Scale B.

Look, I don't know what you're talking about. It sounds like a regurgitation of something someone does not understand.

 

All I know is that BIGGER designs of the same shape create MORE drag, and when an object goes faster, the temperature as well as the pressure and air density goes up (if the same altitude is maintained). Maybe it's that SECOND part you're talking about. Well, now that I think about it, the speed of sound is calculated by temperature, and temperature does go up with speed.


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Posted 08 January 2014 - 08:49 PM

Let me put it this way: I've seen people try to do stuff like this before, by scaling down an existing design. While size A is big enough to shrug off something like a sudden wind gust with a little correction, Size B gets blown away by it and crashes. Let's see if I can do this with just the drag figures and basic math... Say that Size A creates X amount of drag, and Size B crates Y amount of drag. On the surface of it, that's a good thing, right? But if you were to scale Size B back up to Size A, then Y should equal X, or be damned close to it. Right? That's what I'm talking about. So, you need to take that into account and make sure that if you're not using an origional design, that whatever design you use has a Size A that can handle going faster than Mach 1, so that Size B can handle Mach 1. I don't want to see your project crash, like the others I've seen... I want to see this thing work properly.


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Posted 17 January 2014 - 07:14 PM

Let me put it this way: I've seen people try to do stuff like this before, by scaling down an existing design. While size A is big enough to shrug off something like a sudden wind gust with a little correction, Size B gets blown away by it and crashes. Let's see if I can do this with just the drag figures and basic math... Say that Size A creates X amount of drag, and Size B crates Y amount of drag. On the surface of it, that's a good thing, right? But if you were to scale Size B back up to Size A, then Y should equal X, or be damned close to it. Right? That's what I'm talking about. So, you need to take that into account and make sure that if you're not using an origional design, that whatever design you use has a Size A that can handle going faster than Mach 1, so that Size B can handle Mach 1. I don't want to see your project crash, like the others I've seen... I want to see this thing work properly.

Look, I honestly don;t know where you're getting that information from.

 

However, you are right about due to the lighter mass the wind is likely to knock it around more. It's probably why smaller planes have more accidents than larger ones.

 

I'll let you know more about this when more comes up.


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