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Fellow FUSer
Posted 20 December 2013 - 02:35 PM
Your take on the scandal?
I personally think it was wrong for A&E to do it, but I also think it is their right to hire or fire anyone they want to. So I support the network's right as an employer, but they did the wrong thing, I don't have to be happy about it, and I don't have to support them financially in the future.
I love my God, my wife, my 5 kids, and I like my guns, my beer, my whiskey, and my pickup.
I dislike politicians, policemen, diet foods, no-smoking signs, and mowing the lawn.
I like Sonic games from the Genesis days, tolerate the Sonic Adventure series, can stomach Sonic Heroes, and can't stand the rest.
And there is only one true story of Sonic, SatAM.
The Spambot Killer.
Posted 20 December 2013 - 02:41 PM
Fellow FUSer
Posted 20 December 2013 - 04:18 PM
I fully support the Constitution and believe that everyone has a right to say what they believe or has on their minds, and the same people have a right to ignore him. It doesn't matter what he said or if you agree with it or not, his right to free speech is being rescinded by an entity. Just look at it this way: if someone said something you believe in and was being censored would you care?
In my opinion A&E are way out of line here; I could see it if he said it on the show or on one of their sister networks, but it was in an interview in an unrelated magazine. I see a law suit on the horizon with A&E paying damages, that is, unless there was a clause in his contract that allowed for this.
For the most part I agree, but the Constitution only restricts government bodies in the First Amendment, not corporations. So I don't really see this as a Constitutional issue. It is more of a decency to allow public discourse without repercussions issue. And however we feel about anti-discrimination laws, they may be applicable here. Certainly, they can always sue in civil court if they the Robertsons feel they were wronged.
I love my God, my wife, my 5 kids, and I like my guns, my beer, my whiskey, and my pickup.
I dislike politicians, policemen, diet foods, no-smoking signs, and mowing the lawn.
I like Sonic games from the Genesis days, tolerate the Sonic Adventure series, can stomach Sonic Heroes, and can't stand the rest.
And there is only one true story of Sonic, SatAM.
Everybody's Favorite Uncle ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Posted 20 December 2013 - 04:45 PM
He spoke what he thought. Its his right. Big Whoop, we got other problems to deal with,
The Spambot Killer.
Posted 20 December 2013 - 05:23 PM
The Twins
Posted 20 December 2013 - 06:03 PM
I fully support the Constitution and believe that everyone has a right to say what they believe or has on their minds, and the same people have a right to ignore him. It doesn't matter what he said or if you agree with it or not, his right to free speech is being rescinded by an entity. Just look at it this way: if someone said something you believe in and was being censored would you care?
In my opinion A&E are way out of line here; I could see it if he said it on the show or on one of their sister networks, but it was in an interview in an unrelated magazine. I see a law suit on the horizon with A&E paying damages, that is, unless there was a clause in his contract that allowed for this.
This is sort of true, but you can be fired for what you post on Facebook and Twitter I can see why A&E feels this was in their rights.
After doing some research into the issue I have come up with a question:
A Florist not to long ago made a less offensive claim stating she didn't want to be the flower person for a wedding of two homosexual males because of her religious belief. She was deemed the villain in the issue for her opinion. Phil does something similar and suddenly he's the victim, even though his claim is more offensive. Why is it okay for him to make such a claim but not for the florist? Even here on FUS people were horribly offended at the lady for her opinion and said she should lose her job, yet most of what I've seen has been people rallying behind Phil. Why? What is the difference?
Though more on topic, it completely depends on his contract, though considering it supposed to be their normal life he shouldn't be barred from stating his opinions.
Technically it's scripted. They are a parody of thier life to make it more interesting for TV.
Fellow FUSer
Posted 20 December 2013 - 07:34 PM
After doing some research into the issue I have come up with a question:
A Florist not to long ago made a less offensive claim stating she didn't want to be the flower person for a wedding of two homosexual males because of her religious belief. She was deemed the villain in the issue for her opinion. Phil does something similar and suddenly he's the victim, even though his claim is more offensive. Why is it okay for him to make such a claim but not for the florist? Even here on FUS people were horribly offended at the lady for her opinion and said she should lose her job, yet most of what I've seen has been people rallying behind Phil. Why? What is the difference?
Though more on topic, it completely depends on his contract, though considering it supposed to be their normal life he shouldn't be barred from stating his opinions.
I only vaguely recall the florist, but there is a baker in Colorado dealing with a similar problem. He is running aground a Colorado-state anti-discrimination law. He refused to sell a gay couple a wedding cake. Keep in mind, as I recall, Colorado has not legalized gay marriages. A judge has ruled that he cannot refuse to provide the cake and remain as a public business. That is a bigger issue, in my mind, as it is a Constitutional rights question. I brought Duck Dynasty up because it has more "social presence," and people might know what I am talking about.
In the Colorado case, the baker has every right to refuse, just as A&E has the legal right (contractual stipulations notwithstanding) to "fire" Phil. There is a difference between legal allowance and moral uprightness. I see A&E taking the wrong side on this, but I can't make them and certainly the government ought not make them do the right thing here. But I can tell them how messed up they are for doing it.
I am not a fan of anti-discrimination laws. If someone wants to not provide a service to someone for any reason, that is their right IMO. I might think their reason for doing so sucks, and not support them financially, but I will support their right to do it.
I love my God, my wife, my 5 kids, and I like my guns, my beer, my whiskey, and my pickup.
I dislike politicians, policemen, diet foods, no-smoking signs, and mowing the lawn.
I like Sonic games from the Genesis days, tolerate the Sonic Adventure series, can stomach Sonic Heroes, and can't stand the rest.
And there is only one true story of Sonic, SatAM.
Everybody's Favorite Uncle ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Posted 20 December 2013 - 07:44 PM
IMHO: Everyone needs to chill the f*** down. He said his 1st Amendment rights. Dont like what he says? Big deal. He said afterwards he loves everyone and doesnt mind what people do. The US has bigger problems to deal with, like the fact that Obamacare is gonna ruin the economy in about 12 days...
The Soothsayer of Aeons.
Posted 20 December 2013 - 08:30 PM
Ben, I've corrupted you.... 
Right now I have to break the news to my little autistic brother why his favorite show was cut off the air...
It's liberalism man. It is this airheaded solopcism that has cuased all this. How dare he do X and not Y, like me! Lacking a standard, we've become our own selfish and narrow standard... Our worldview as a nation has grown so egocentric and so self-entitled that it's ironically going to be the downfall of us all. Obamacare is just a symptom of a disease, a lack of objective moral awarness and sense of consequence (you reap what you sow)...and it's not like RHINOs Reublicans are doing anything to cure this problem (it's going to have to be grass-roots moral reform to fix the land. We have to start with ourselves and move outwards)...
A little perspective: you know right now (Christmas time!), people -children- are starving via siegery in Syria, all because of the Assad regime (you guys forget about tha during all this fusst?) ... And here, now, we are having to bicker about the words of one honest and rather likeable man, who frankly resembles the majority of America's opinions on this subject . There is so much in the world that needs fixing...yet it seems these powermongering, oligarchical, and anti-democratic political lobbies like the LGBT , who have ironically bullied so many (evangelicals to ex-homosexuals to and anybody that opposes them) with unloving ire and force think we should pay attention to this "outrage." All the while they use one sided and revisionist rhetoric, interpolate (especially the Bible, enough to make scholar vomit), misconstrude, conive, boycott, bombast, and even, on the fringe, physically threaten all to justify their ethically imperialistic (and to be honest incredibly unhealthy, fallacious, and self-destructive) views on the complex and delicate issues of sexuality. Apperently they want to be Assad rather than have us focus on promblems like Assad.
Oh...I like how shows like A&E's will kow-tow to such mob-like lobbies, yet Growing up Gotti, which glorifies the exploits of the blood soaked mobster John Gotti and his debuached legacy, is considered perfectly viewable and politically correct by our society. All the while a man excercising his free speech (and just being honest about a subject) is worth condemning? A&E can axe them off the air, the same way I can axe off my foot...but it doesn't mean there won't be intense reprucusions. A&E's new slogan: "Where sodomy is sacred, but life isn't." :/
Honestly it relfect on us all as Americans, we are a bunch of moral morons and we only have ourselves to blame for it...Yet, I have hope when I see how well people have banded together to fight this and try to dissipate the issue. One thing I fear about is the Robertson's safety. They will be persecuted for this. And if you keep up with the exploits over this issue (the violent riot on a church discussing these issues in San-Fran that injured both led to the trammpling of the old and young, the unfair arrests, the injuring of individuals that have spoken out, and even the attempted shooting on the Christian Family Research Council) you can see that this could escalate rather quickly. Prayerfully it won't...
The Twins
Posted 20 December 2013 - 08:35 PM
Ben, I've corrupted you....
Right now I have to break the news to my little autistic brother why his favorite show was cut off the air...
It's liberalism man. It is this airheaded solopcism that has cuased all this. How dare he do X and not Y, like me! Lacking a standard, we've become our own standard... Our worldview as a nation has grown so egocentric and so self-entitled that it's ironically going to be the downfall of us all. Obamacare is just a symptom of a disease...and it's not like
RHINOsReublicans are doing anything to cure it (it's going to have to be grass-roots moral reform to fix the land)...
A little perspective: you know right now (Christmas time!), people -children- are starving via siegery in Syria, all because of the Assad regime (you guys forget about that?) ... And here we are having to bicker about the words of one honest and rather likeable man, who frankly resembles the majority of America's opinions on the subject . There is so much in the world that needs fixing...yet it seems these powermongering, oligarical, and anti-democratic political lobbies like the LGBT , who have ironically bullied so many (evangelicals to ex-homosexuals to and anybody that opposes them) with unloving ire and force. They use one sided and revisionist rhetoric, interpolate, conive, boycott, bombast, and even, on the fringe, physically threaten all to justify their ethically imperialistic (and to be honest incredibly unhealthy, fallacious, and self-destructive) views on the complex issues of sexuality. Apperently they want to be Assad rather than have us focus on promblems like Assad.
I like how shows like A&E's will kow-tow to such lobbies, yet Growing up Gotti, which glorifies the exploits of the blood soaked mobster John Gotti and is debuached legacy, is considered viewable and politically correct by our society. All the while a man excercising his free speech (and just being honest about a subject) is worth condemning? A&E can axe them off the air, the same way I can shoot myself in the foot ...but it doesn't mean there won't be reprucusions.
A&E's new slogan: "Where sodomy is sacred, but life isn't." :/
Honestly it relfect on us all as Americans, we are a bunch of moral morons and we only have ourselves to blame for it...
Right now America is going through a era that will probably be forever an opposit to the "Great Awakenings". According to my History class this is still the legacy of the Youth Rebellion. 
The Soothsayer of Aeons.
Posted 21 December 2013 - 06:10 PM
Ben, I've corrupted you....
Right now I have to break the news to my little autistic brother why his favorite show was cut off the air...
It's liberalism man. It is this airheaded solopcism that has cuased all this. How dare he do X and not Y, like me! Lacking a standard, we've become our own standard... Our worldview as a nation has grown so egocentric and so self-entitled that it's ironically going to be the downfall of us all. Obamacare is just a symptom of a disease...and it's not like
RHINOsReublicans are doing anything to cure it (it's going to have to be grass-roots moral reform to fix the land)...
A little perspective: you know right now (Christmas time!), people -children- are starving via siegery in Syria, all because of the Assad regime (you guys forget about that?) ... And here we are having to bicker about the words of one honest and rather likeable man, who frankly resembles the majority of America's opinions on the subject . There is so much in the world that needs fixing...yet it seems these powermongering, oligarical, and anti-democratic political lobbies like the LGBT , who have ironically bullied so many (evangelicals to ex-homosexuals to and anybody that opposes them) with unloving ire and force. They use one sided and revisionist rhetoric, interpolate, conive, boycott, bombast, and even, on the fringe, physically threaten all to justify their ethically imperialistic (and to be honest incredibly unhealthy, fallacious, and self-destructive) views on the complex issues of sexuality. Apperently they want to be Assad rather than have us focus on promblems like Assad.
I like how shows like A&E's will kow-tow to such lobbies, yet Growing up Gotti, which glorifies the exploits of the blood soaked mobster John Gotti and is debuached legacy, is considered viewable and politically correct by our society. All the while a man excercising his free speech (and just being honest about a subject) is worth condemning? A&E can axe them off the air, the same way I can shoot myself in the foot ...but it doesn't mean there won't be reprucusions.
A&E's new slogan: "Where sodomy is sacred, but life isn't." :/
Honestly it relfect on us all as Americans, we are a bunch of moral morons and we only have ourselves to blame for it...
Right now America is going through a era that will probably be forever an opposit to the "Great Awakenings". According to my History class this is still the legacy of the Youth Rebellion.
Don't give up hope Magenta. People persecuted Whitfield and Edwards as well. To the point of making fun of their handicaps and throwing dead cats at them...(I am not joshing, ask me about the man who called Whitfield "Mr. Squinchem").
Also note their are kids like us that are tired of people being trapped in the thinking of the late 60's... It's time to move on from modernity and make the postmodern world a more morally-sound and critically-minded time that won't suffer both the harsh irreligious prejudces of secularism and find reform in the church to Biblical Principles. I am Twenty-One and I think the people in White House don't properly represent what I think and believe - they are stuck fifty-years in the past and find their defintions of progress quite narrow and ironically regressive. If you want change, Magenta, speak the truth in love, be there when the world is not for people, yet set up boundaries and don't let people use you (so you can help others who are willing to help themselves). Be balanced in what you think. When people demand you don't judge, simply reply "don't judge my judgements then and don't try force your perceptions on to me in such a passive-agressive way..." Don't let people hoodwink you, be discreet an all things and ask people to define what they mean by what they always say. Question all things, even yourself. And fight for what's right, seeing passed what is merely thought to be right.
"Non-Intruder Organism"
Posted 21 December 2013 - 07:27 PM
Bunch of fucking pansy-assed PC bullshit is what it is... You can't make stars out of a bunch of backwoods hicks and then get all butt-hurt over something they say. Us country folk have some beliefs that are going to be hard on the sensibilities of the weaker-minded city folk. If you can't handle that, then don't go putting us in the spotlight and asking us our views on those subjects, you morons...
As to A&E: Don't come crying to us because you've shot yourself in the foot. 
Projection: If Intruder Organsim reaches civilized areas...
Entire world population infected 2,7000 hours from first contact.
The Twins
Posted 21 December 2013 - 07:34 PM
I'm 24 and although I want to be able to say I like everyone and embrace differences... I am 24 and can love people and still hate some of their choices. It's kind of a "love the sinner not the sin" thing only not so strongly implying everything I don't like is sinful. I mean I can love my friend who adores Edgar Allen Poe, while I simply don't care for him. It's not bad to like him but I'm not going to and I'm not going to hide that I don't.
I stand with Phil's rights to his opinions. Minus the beard thing Phil's family is a lot like mine... and there are members of my family who would say somethings that would make them highly unpopular in the "politically correct" world. But they would not mean it as a kill all the evils sort of way. They mean it like I mean it when I say Edgar Allen Poe sucks. It is something I can't get behind. Just because you can, doesn't mean I hate you.
I try really hard not to be preachy in my beliefs, because I want the same respect for them as i try to give everyone else's. Love me for me, even if you do not agree with every choice I make.
Though that stands... I'm sorry if you feel this was preachy. I won't take it back, but I also did not mean to get so preachy.
Bunch of fucking pansy-assed PC bullshit is what it is... You can't make stars out of a bunch of backwoods hicks and then get all butt-hurt over something they say. Us country folk have some beliefs that are going to be hard on the sensibilities of the weaker-minded city folk. If you can't handle that, then don't go putting us in the spotlight and asking us our views on those subjects, you morons...
As to A&E: Don't come crying to us because you've shot yourself in the foot.
I can't be considered a country folk... but I totally identify. 
My Papa was a rodeo star and my family was raised on very stero-typed cowboy principles... and we sometimes offend people who can't handle our bluntness.
Fellow FUSer
Posted 21 December 2013 - 07:41 PM
A little perspective: you know right now (Christmas time!), people -children- are starving via siegery in Syria, all because of the Assad regime (you guys forget about tha during all this fusst?) ... Apperently they want to be Assad rather than have us focus on promblems like Assad.
Assad is no saint, but many (most?) of those fighting against his government are no better. Whole villages have been decimated by rebel groups. There is NO GOOD side in that conflict, as far as I can see. In fact, many of the rebels are more hostile toward non-muslims than Assad's government has been. Again, I know Assad is an Iran proxy and an enemy of our ally Israel, but I can't see us supporting any of the other major players in that fight.
Back on topic, things are not looking too good for A&E and the Robertsons' business relationship. I am sure the lawyers are looking into it, but the Robertsons seem to be looking at cutting off A&E. I guess what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
The US has always been a land of differing OPINIONS, but we are quickly evolving into a land of differing CONVICTIONS! No society can long remain united when the very core beliefs of its people are at odds, for from our convictions our society's policies and practices are formed. The last time the land had a great philosophical divide (over political theory), we had an interstate war. I pray we can resolve this rising tension in some manner rather than such a bloody thing. Then again I am not naive; history doesn't give much hope of that.
Edited by brmsort, 21 December 2013 - 07:50 PM.
I love my God, my wife, my 5 kids, and I like my guns, my beer, my whiskey, and my pickup.
I dislike politicians, policemen, diet foods, no-smoking signs, and mowing the lawn.
I like Sonic games from the Genesis days, tolerate the Sonic Adventure series, can stomach Sonic Heroes, and can't stand the rest.
And there is only one true story of Sonic, SatAM.
The Soothsayer of Aeons.
Posted 21 December 2013 - 07:58 PM
A little perspective: you know right now (Christmas time!), people -children- are starving via siegery in Syria, all because of the Assad regime (you guys forget about tha during all this fusst?) ... Apperently they want to be Assad rather than have us focus on promblems like Assad.
Assad is no saint, but many (most?) of those fighting against his government are no better. Whole villages have been decimated by rebel groups. There is NO GOOD side in that conflict, as far as I can see. In fact, many of the rebels are more hostile toward non-muslims than Assad's government has been. Again, I know Assad is an Iran proxy and an enemy of our ally Israel, but I can't see us supporting any of the other major players in that fight.
Back on topic, things are not looking too good for A&E and the Robertsons' business relationship. I am sure the lawyers are looking into it, but the Robertsons seem to be looking at cutting off A&E. I guess what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
I know full well (and you and me both know full well why). It's the children starving that have me upset...
Of course and Duck Dynasty was smart enough to seperate merchandise rights between A&E and themselves... They make the product and they make the profit, this will only expunge a middle man. If they went on the internet instead and/or self-publicized someway... Well, they would get lots of peofitable media-attention. People will support them because they've become a symbol for what people believe and are fighting for. Lobbies like the LGBT and "Progressivist" groups have droped the ball over and over, and with their Golden Calf in the Oval Office being torn down, his approval rate plummiting and his ideals found hollow and rottenous to our well-being as a country...makes you think about the next election.
Bram, did you see the Prayer Breakfast speech!? Obama's jaw drooooped at what the guy said outright about the IRS. He told in the interview that Obama requested that his transcript be "screened" before speaking (sounds a bit...unconstitutional) but then he said he had none and just spoke Luke 21:25 style.
The Twins
Posted 21 December 2013 - 08:03 PM
A little perspective: you know right now (Christmas time!), people -children- are starving via siegery in Syria, all because of the Assad regime (you guys forget about tha during all this fusst?) ... Apperently they want to be Assad rather than have us focus on promblems like Assad.
Assad is no saint, but many (most?) of those fighting against his government are no better. Whole villages have been decimated by rebel groups. There is NO GOOD side in that conflict, as far as I can see. In fact, many of the rebels are more hostile toward non-muslims than Assad's government has been. Again, I know Assad is an Iran proxy and an enemy of our ally Israel, but I can't see us supporting any of the other major players in that fight.
Back on topic, things are not looking too good for A&E and the Robertsons' business relationship. I am sure the lawyers are looking into it, but the Robertsons seem to be looking at cutting off A&E. I guess what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
The US has always been a land of differing OPINIONS, but we are quickly evolving into a land of differing CONVICTIONS! No society can long remain united when the very core beliefs of its people are at odds, for from our convictions our society's policies and practices are formed. The last time the land had a great philosophical divide (over political theory), we had an interstate war. I pray we can resolve this rising tension in some manner rather than such a bloody thing. Then again I am not naive; history doesn't give much hope of that.
Frankly A&E feels like they're desperately trying to make the Robinsons the bad guys. Apparently the contract was for the "Robinson Family/Duck Dynasty" so offing Phil is offing the whole chunk. But they want us to think they're offing Phil and everyone else broke contract.
Fellow FUSer
Posted 22 December 2013 - 12:58 PM
I know full well (and you and me both know full well why). It's the children starving that have me upset...
. . .Bram, did you see the Prayer Breakfast speech!?
I understand. Unfortunately, short of making Syria (and the rest of the Middle East except Israel) into a territory, or God doing a great work in the hearts of Arabs and Persians, there is precious little we can do to help their children's plight.
I did not see the Prayer Breakfast but I did hear about it. I can imagine the President's shock. The man has such a fragile self-image. I might have to find a clip of it. I am sure it was the same as when he heard about his latest honor -- perpetrator of 2013's Lie of the Year.
I love my God, my wife, my 5 kids, and I like my guns, my beer, my whiskey, and my pickup.
I dislike politicians, policemen, diet foods, no-smoking signs, and mowing the lawn.
I like Sonic games from the Genesis days, tolerate the Sonic Adventure series, can stomach Sonic Heroes, and can't stand the rest.
And there is only one true story of Sonic, SatAM.
Fellow FUSer
Posted 23 December 2013 - 06:52 PM
"Non-Intruder Organism"
Posted 23 December 2013 - 10:18 PM
You don't make money by shooting yourself in the foot. Take a look at what happened with the Dukes Of Hazzard: This was one of the top rated shows ever at that point. The marketing guys at Warner Bros made an accounting mistake that cut Wopat and Shnider out of the mechanizing rights, and refused to fix it. They walked off the show. The next season was a serious flop, and by the time they brought them back, the show was as good as dead. Moral of the story: Don't fuck around with what the rednecks like, or they'll drop kick your ass.
Projection: If Intruder Organsim reaches civilized areas...
Entire world population infected 2,7000 hours from first contact.
The Soothsayer of Aeons.
Posted 23 December 2013 - 11:18 PM
Yes it does, especially in the bigger picture and political climate. He said this on a non-sequitor interview, not on A&E itself. Now it looks like A&E is just trying to squash him and what he stands for (even though they allow what I have already mentioned). They, among other groups, don't want this specific opinion of his to be popularized and that fits this bill perfectly.
As for ole big-mouth Bill, well that's awfully hypocritical of ABC...being incredibly leftist since it's early syndication history. But then again Maher's preachy demagoguery, straw-man verbal boxing, use of assertion and insult over dialogue and reasoning, his night militant bi-polarization of individuals, his idealogical witch-hunting, and his total lack of empathy and grace makes him a rather odious individual worth lancing, like a boil, an infected cyst, or say a testicular tumor. He has quite the tendency to attract neophyte moths to his sophomorically dim wit. As the old indian use to say, "big wind, lotsa thunder - no rain." I have many a friend both “left” and “right” in academia that despises that man for his media-hyping humbuggery... However, Phil Robertson was just being asked something outright, and he gave a concise answer and reflected on the issue. Unlike Maher he wasn’t on some constant hackneyed leftist jihad out to jib someone in their eye in, he was being interviewed, he was honest when it came up, and then he was thereby summarily judged for his beliefs.
Pet cause? My, my, someone is being a bit testy (And pusillanimously euphemistic)... If you want to make personal attacks on all these above people’s 'pet-cuases' (their worldviews), Kef, grow a pair and say it out right… Broadly, I say it’s this ethical and ideological censorship and the media fuss it creates that is distracting us from more important issues. Moreover, it is erroding our freedoms and unity as a country. When I look back though, seeing your assinine 'giving-in-to-the-bully' remark about healthcare and then even earlier your post ergo propter hoc argumentation about thermodynamics and photosynthesis pertaining to the hypothesis abiogenisis, I feel you have little ethos in such matters of argumentation, and lack the logos for intellectual debate, but you do have pathos, I give you that, like Maer you are very... pathological.
Please, for your own sake, start entertaining arguments and trying to understand where they are coming from, instead of insulting them (like you do Vlad) and correcting people like know more than them (which you do all the time)…I gave you the chance once to discuss an issue at length, in private, and via syntopical reading, but you were too "tired" (as if you couldn't somehow - I odn't know - rest between posts)... Callow and shallow remarks like the one above are just digging you into a deep hole.
And to be fair, I'm gonna say Vlad's statments were a bit non-sequitor and inflamatory as well...just to be fair. Two wrongs don't make a right (though they make a left). *Rimshot*.
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