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[Captain Sorzo]

The same group that nuked Alderaan and billions of men, women, and children got bested by a bunch of tiny furries with sticks . :/ That makes sense.

 

That's a rather ironic thing to be saying on this site...granted, the Freedom Fighters have a much greater proficiency with technology, but still.

 

Thanks to Aaron Allston's Wraith Squadron trilogy (mandatory reading for anyone that enjoys fun), I'll go to my grave loving Ewoks. Yub yub.

[Captain Sorzo]

I saw Caravan of Courage several times as a child, but never The Battle for Endor. The summary I read online sounded so depressing that I never bothered trying to find it.

[LogiTeeka]

They ruined RoJ for me as my number one spot . Return should have been the darkest and deepest of the series, building up Luke's temptation towards the Dark Side and Darth Vader ipso facto in spirtual tug of war. All that time wasted with Ewoks should have been spent on showing off the evil and impact of the emperor. And watching those fluff balls pound Imperial troops spoiled the might and threateningness of the Empire an it's dark lord, when it should seem most threatening. The same group that nuked Alderaan and billions of men, women, and children got bested by a bunch of tiny furries with sticks . :/ That makes sense.

The battle with the Ewoks vs. the Empire's war machines, from what I've read, was symbolic of the inner struggle which Darth Vader was going through during that time. Basically, the struggle between nature and machine; Vader's cybernetic body and hatred vs. his former biological body and loving emotions.

Granted, they could've handled it better, but it didn't deteriorate the sheer magnitude of the drama which it depicted. And in the end, it's still a damn good film.

I mean in a bad way. SatAM, Pooh Bear and stuff like that are childish in good ways.

Why exactly? Without an explanation, I can't take what you say seriously.

[TheRedStranger]

 

The same group that nuked Alderaan and billions of men, women, and children got bested by a bunch of tiny furries with sticks . :/ That makes sense.

 

That's a rather ironic thing to be saying on this site...granted, the Freedom Fighters have a much greater proficiency with technology, but still.

 

Thanks to Aaron Allston's Wraith Squadron trilogy (mandatory reading for anyone that enjoys fun), I'll go to my grave loving Ewoks. Yub yub.

 

 

 

 Did you just compare this:

 

http://fc05.devianta...eyAlice1951.jpg

 

 

 To this?

 

http://th08.devianta...ger-d5y33qb.jpg

 

 That's like comparing a tike-bike to a tank... Yeah they both are vehicals, but that's where the similarities end. Fur is their only fair comparison.

 

I should not judge what I have not experianced, and I won't. If they are cool in the story though, I trust you enough to take your word for it.

[TheRedStranger]

 

They ruined RoJ for me as my number one spot . Return should have been the darkest and deepest of the series, building up Luke's temptation towards the Dark Side and Darth Vader ipso facto in spirtual tug of war. All that time wasted with Ewoks should have been spent on showing off the evil and impact of the emperor. And watching those fluff balls pound Imperial troops spoiled the might and threateningness of the Empire an it's dark lord, when it should seem most threatening. The same group that nuked Alderaan and billions of men, women, and children got bested by a bunch of tiny furries with sticks . :/ That makes sense.

The battle with the Ewoks vs. the Empire's war machines, from what I've read, was symbolic of the inner struggle which Darth Vader was going through during that time. Basically, the struggle between nature and machine; Vader's cybernetic body and hatred vs. his former biological body and loving emotions.

Granted, they could've handled it better, but it didn't deteriorate the sheer magnitude of the drama which it depicted. And in the end, it's still a damn good film.

I mean in a bad way. SatAM, Pooh Bear and stuff like that are childish in good ways.

Why exactly? Without an explanation, I can't take what you say seriously.

 

 

Note that I love Return of The Jedi still. I just see it as the beginning of the Fall of the Republic...if you know what I mean. I think this is when Lucas started falling to the Dark Side. Next movie he does in one draft and it is a mythical mess that stabbed the franchise in the heart. Also, that is some really clumsy and misplaced symbolism. I'd rather, you know, see the character I have known for two movies actually go through his arc than have it showed to me through the interpretive dance of some extermpaniously apperating, galvanting fur-suiters. Lucas's pandering to every demographic at the same time contradicts the tone of the film, and that is a cardinal sin in writing. With full creative control, he would bring this to the next level in Phantom Menace, scarring the franchise with the bumbling four part ending that has 4 entierly seperate emotional wave-lengths.

 

 At the end of his career all I see of Lucas as some fat lazy white guy with no drive, sitting their in a hall of green screens sipping his coffee... He became what he hated (the corporate sell-out). The life of Lucas is a living Citizen Kane...

 

You gotta explain it to the man VHS. He deserves such. 

[Captain Sorzo]

It was more your phrasing than an actual comparison of the two.

 

Cool? No. Actually present? No. The basis of one of my favorite running gags of all time? Absolutely.

[TheRedStranger]

It was more your phrasing than an actual comparison of the two.

 

Cool? No. Actually present? No. The basis of one of my favorite running gags of all time? Absolutely.

 

In Empire at War you can turn them into suicide bombers...

 

 As the Consortium, I defeated Vader this way.

[LogiTeeka]

The same group that nuked Alderaan and billions of men, women, and children got bested by a bunch of tiny furries with sticks . :/ That makes sense.

 
That's a rather ironic thing to be saying on this site...granted, the Freedom Fighters have a much greater proficiency with technology, but still.
 
Thanks to Aaron Allston's Wraith Squadron trilogy (mandatory reading for anyone that enjoys fun), I'll go to my grave loving Ewoks. Yub yub.

 
 
 Did you just compare this:
 
http://fc05.devianta...eyAlice1951.jpg
 
 
 To this?
 
http://th08.devianta...ger-d5y33qb.jpg
 
 That's like comparing a tike-bike to a tank... Yeah they both are vehicals, but that's where the similarities end. Fur is their only fair comparison.
 
I should not judge what I have not experianced, and I won't. If they are cool in the story though, I trust you enough to take your word for it.

Pfft!

I don't think that's fair. You're comparing fan-art depicting a more realistic-looking Sonic the Hedgehog in a darker and more grittier version of Robotropolis to a wonky-costumed meet-n'-greet Ewok at Disneyland. You're making the odds bend to your favor.

[TheRedStranger]

 

 

 

The same group that nuked Alderaan and billions of men, women, and children got bested by a bunch of tiny furries with sticks . :/ That makes sense.

 
That's a rather ironic thing to be saying on this site...granted, the Freedom Fighters have a much greater proficiency with technology, but still.
 
Thanks to Aaron Allston's Wraith Squadron trilogy (mandatory reading for anyone that enjoys fun), I'll go to my grave loving Ewoks. Yub yub.

 
 
 Did you just compare this:
 
http://fc05.devianta...eyAlice1951.jpg
 
 
 To this?
 
http://th08.devianta...ger-d5y33qb.jpg
 
 That's like comparing a tike-bike to a tank... Yeah they both are vehicals, but that's where the similarities end. Fur is their only fair comparison.
 
I should not judge what I have not experianced, and I won't. If they are cool in the story though, I trust you enough to take your word for it.

Pfft!

I don't think that's fair. You're comparing fan-art depicting a more realistic-looking Sonic the Hedgehog in a darker and more grittier version of Robotropolis to a wonky-costumed meet-n'-greet Ewok at Disneyland. You're making the odds bend to your favor.

 

 

Geez, do I have to pull out the artwork from Shadow The Hedgehog? Or do I just need to merely point at Super Sonic...?

 

 Also, they actually have personalities. Ewoks are over glorified puppies, in the presence of the grace and wonder that is a Mobian, who are vastly more intellectually and physically superior (some of them having such a strong spirit that they wield the very powers of Chaos). I just realized I might be a Mobian supremicist, which is bad 'cause I'm not Mobian.

[LogiTeeka]

Because they're more realistic-looking, perhaps?

I mean, what alien in the original "Star Wars" trilogy outside Chewbacca and Jabba the Hutt had a defined personality? Technology at that time was limited, so they focused more on the human characters instead of the alien extras. With the introduction of high-quality CGI, it allowed more complex-looking aliens to express themselves easier.

Mobians, on the other hand, ARE the main characters of their series and their cartoonier approach calls for more expressive appearances. Heck, the "Ewoks" animated series took the Ewoks' original designs and managed to turn them into interesting and distinctive characters simply because it was animated; something which would've been difficult to pull off back then.

[TheRedStranger]

Because they're more realistic-looking, perhaps?

I mean, what alien in the original "Star Wars" trilogy outside Chewbacca and Jabba the Hutt had a defined personality? Technology at that time was limited, so they focused more on the human characters instead of the alien extras. With the introduction of high-quality CGI, it allowed more complex-looking aliens to express themselves easier.

Mobians, on the other hand, ARE the main characters of their series and their cartoonier approach calls for more expressive appearances. Heck, the "Ewoks" animated series took the Ewoks' original designs and managed to turn them into interesting and distinctive characters simply because it was animated; something which would've been difficult to pull off back then.

 

One word: R2-D2! He was a painted tin can with wheels, but he was a fiesty little bugger! And...and...and...YODA! Frank Oz's Yoda was amazing, legendary. Many would argue that the CGI has done more to ruin those characters as a cheap cop out, just like the CGI of the prequals makes the scenes sterile looking. This fualt actually encoraged the resurgancy of puppetry in works like Hellboy. 

 

 I reall haven't watched Ewoks, I can't judge. But I'll take your word for it untill otherwise. But note my utimate stance is about them being empty, atonal. and distacting filler and fluff for an otherwise near perfect movie.

 

 I would have liked it better if the Ewoks were like Mobians though, in fact it would be cool to weed them out like onion grass and replace them with certain squad of fuzzy bad-butts...fan fiction/crossover idea....

[LogiTeeka]

Man, can't believe I forgot Yoda. Good point.

But still, calling out the Ewoks for looking the same seems kinda hypocritical, considering other members of alien races look nearly the same as well. I mean, Jar Jar looked exactly like every other Otolla Gungan except Tarpals and Boss Nass, Chewbacca blended in with the other Wookies featured in RotS, and who can tell the difference between each Rodian, Gran, and Neimoidian throughout the whole saga aside from their clothes? Same could be said for the alien races featured in "Star Trek".

But than again, making each character different can also fail. Most of the Echidnas created for the Archie Sonic comic looked like Knuckles recolors, and Sonic's parents didn't look much better either (Bernie looked like Sonic dressed in drag). To make each character unique, it takes more than just slightly changing their color and simply adding hair to their forehead.

[TheRedStranger]

Man, can't believe I forgot Yoda. Good point.

But still, calling out the Ewoks for looking the same seems kinda hypocritical, considering other members of alien races look nearly the same as well. I mean, Jar Jar looked exactly like every other Otolla Gungan except Tarpals and Boss Nass, Chewbacca blended in with the other Wookies featured in RotS, and who can tell the difference between each Rodian, Gran, and Neimoidian throughout the whole saga aside from their clothes? Same could be said for the alien races featured in "Star Trek".

But than again, making each character different can also fail. Most of the Echidnas created for the Archie Sonic comic looked like Knuckles recolors, and Sonic's parents didn't look much better either (Bernie looked like Sonic dressed in drag). To make each character unique, it takes more than just slightly changing their color and simply adding hair to their forehead.

 

 Wait. That's not my point. I was criticizing  them for having no character arcs (and many of them did look different). And being competely unecessary to the story, in fact contradicting to it's desired tone. Focus was detracted on Vader and Luke.  

 

 Don't mention Jar-jar. *Points to the lazers dots on your chest* Lord Sidious and Darth Vader don't like us to acknowledge his exsistance.You've been warned.   

 

 Indeed it does.

[LogiTeeka]

They had a role. They helped the rebels in their raid against the shield generator and provided a subtle bit of symbolism; something which could've easily been cut to make the story simpler, but that would've made their planet pointless anyway to the overall plot. So if you get rid of the Ewoks, you might as well get rid of the Forest Moon of Endor and the second Death Star as well.

In fact, believe it or not, the second Death Star wasn't originally intended to appear in RotJ. Instead, the original script called for the final battle between Vader, Luke, and the Emperor to be taking place on Coruscant, in a palace surrounded by lava...

Yeah... I'm kinda glad they didn't go in that direction. Mostly because the dramatic tension felt during this final battle wouldn't have felt that poignant as the final film's version. The presence of the second Death Star added much more tension to the scene, which gave the impression that this was the final confrontation.

[RedAuthar]

Anyway, while on the topic, has anyone seen the "Ewoks" animated series?

I can handle Droids....

 

Ewoks...not so much.

 

I never read any of the Ewoks comics though.  The Droid Comics are MUCH better than the show.

 

 

Did you just compare this:

 

http://fc05.devianta...eyAlice1951.jpg

 

 

 To this?

 

http://th08.devianta...ger-d5y33qb.jpg

 

 That's like comparing a tike-bike to a tank... Yeah they both are vehicals, but that's where the similarities end. Fur is their only fair comparison.

 

I should not judge what I have not experianced, and I won't. If they are cool in the story though, I trust you enough to take your word for it.

Why not?  There is an Imperial Scout Trooper nicknamed Eggman who is station on Endor.  

[Uncle Ben]

all i know is the original trilogy and the prequil...

[RedAuthar]

My suggestion for joining the EU is either check out the 2013 Darkhorse Star Wars Series of comics OR play KotOR.  

 

Another good place if you can find it is Rogue Squadron, either the game or the Comic.  Not Rogue Squadron III though....that one wasn't as good. 

[ILOVEVHS]

I mean in a bad way. SatAM, Pooh Bear and stuff like that are childish in good ways.

Why exactly? Without an explanation, I can't take what you say seriously.

...(runs away)

[TheRedStranger]

They had a role. They helped the rebels in their raid against the shield generator and provided a subtle bit of symbolism; something which could've easily been cut to make the story simpler, but that would've made their planet pointless anyway to the overall plot. So if you get rid of the Ewoks, you might as well get rid of the Forest Moon of Endor and the second Death Star as well.

In fact, believe it or not, the second Death Star wasn't originally intended to appear in RotJ. Instead, the original script called for the final battle between Vader, Luke, and the Emperor to be taking place on Coruscant, in a palace surrounded by lava...

Yeah... I'm kinda glad they didn't go in that direction. Mostly because the dramatic tension felt during this final battle wouldn't have felt that poignant as the final film's version. The presence of the second Death Star added much more tension to the scene, which gave the impression that this was the final confrontation.

 

A role that could be better suited for a group that has actually suffered from the Empire before hand reluctantly joining hands with the rebels (probally overcoming xenophobia, seeing most rebels are human). This gives Liea more to do. And perhaps Han swaggers around and Flash Gordans their best warror to prove they are capable of taking over the Empire and prove that their powers com (and you could build a hilarious jealous friend triangle with Han, Chewie, and this lead warrior). This would give him more to do as well.  Perhaps, if you want that Darth Vader symbolism, make the replacement for Ewoks tempted to embrace some form of dark force (perhaps of technological origin) to beat the empire instead of allying with these "suspicious rebels." Also get the battles to overlap and end closer together in the end. I want the emperor nuking some of his friends a bit with his force lightining and showing the impact of the dark side to Luke.

[RedAuthar]

Okay, the original Idea was for the battle to take place on Kashyyk, and the Ewoks would have been Wookiees. Wookiees do have the brute strength to face the Empire.

 

They changed it to Ewoks though on the note that Lucas wanted the species to be completely void of tech as Chewie proved Wookies were quite adaptable with Technology.  Lucas's vision wanted the species to seem like it wouldn't stand a chance yet would ultimately triumph.  

 

If you noticed Ee-wok is just a reverse of Wook-ee with one o missing.

 

Also the Ewok's fighting style is based on that of the Viet Cong (bet you didn't see that coming), who were really a force to be reckoned with even though they were less technologically advanced then the soldiers they were fighting. 

 

Also while we're on the subject, Harrison Ford thought the Ewoks were a stupid idea.

 

And back on the subject of wookiees anyone been to the Wookieepedia, the hirsute encyclopedia?