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[TheRedStranger]

Because we need to do it outside the shout-box (that way we can post vids, and have lengthy in depth discussions about all the blissful trivialities of the lore we love).

 

 

Let the geekery commence! Skip the intro to around 20 sec.

[TheRedStranger]

I didn't know that the lightsabres' colour had any special meaning; I always thought it was merely preference other than it seemed that darksiders liked red for some reason. Truthfully, with my outlook on the Star Wars universe none of the colours really fit me. I guess the closest one would be the purple one based on my view of the dark/light side interaction rather than being at odds with each other; I wouldn't have guessed that one. Although my combat preference is way more tactical and negotiating than using just 'brute force'.

 

You would probably also be Juyo/Va'pad stylist as well, seeing how they channel the rage of the Dark Sider in a loop.

 

Honestly, being potential Jedi Sentinel material, I would want something that wasn't flashy and bright. I'd stick with a supersonic vibro-dagger, ramming it deep into my unsuspecting targets nape to whisper him calmly into the silent slumber of death. When the going gets tough and the ruckus gets loud, the silver-saber would be drawn. Single blade for control, Form V style (Shien/ Da'Jem So) mixed in with Va'pad when the going got tough and I needed more speed. To balance the negativity out I would focus a lot on the postive aspects of Jedi mind-tricks (rallying/Battle Meditation) and healing.

[Captain Sorzo]

The whole Guardian/Sentinel/Consular classification system was created chiefly for the purpose of gameplay mechanics in RPGs and isn't widely used elsewhere. As such, there's certainly no hard and fast rule regarding blue, yellow, and green sabers.

[TheRedStranger]

The whole Guardian/Sentinel/Consular classification system was created chiefly for the purpose of gameplay mechanics in RPGs and isn't widely used elsewhere. As such, there's certainly no hard and fast rule regarding blue, yellow, and green sabers.

 

 

Actually they are mentioned in Riptide and Force Unleashed. They show up in KOTOR based works, and are specifically mentioned in The Jedi Path.

 

There job was to do what other's couldn't do... in a universe that doesn't recognize the Jedi morality, Sentinels act as the middle man, doing what most be done in the dark. While the Counslars stand in peaceable silence...Sentinels enforce that peace by silencing others before the Guradians need to worry about it. Sentinels hunt out evil before it needs to be guarded against. They are a rather cloak and dagger bunch. 

 

 There are indeed no rules about the color, but there are some benifits and subtlies between blades.

 

 As for Bytor's comment. What works for one does not for the other. In combat it is all on the basis of need and situation. *Points to the blaster* "Your technological terror is insignicant to the power of the force..."

[Captain Sorzo]

KOTOR was what popularized the classification to begin with (it was previously only in pen and paper RPG rulebooks, which aren't exactly mainstream even among fans), so of course they would be used in affiliated material. I don't remember them being mentioned in TFU, but, as I mentioned, that doesn't possess much merit to begin with. I haven't read Riptide, but it's a pretty minor entry compared to the dozens of novels that don't use the classifications.

 

In short, they exist but for the most part aren't particularly relevant, with many Jedi, especially in Luke's Order, not labeling themselves as one or the other.

[TheRedStranger]

KOTOR was what popularized the classification to begin with (it was previously only in pen and paper RPG rulebooks, which aren't exactly mainstream even among fans), so of course they would be used in affiliated material. I don't remember them being mentioned in TFU, but, as I mentioned, that doesn't possess much merit to begin with. I haven't read Riptide, but it's a pretty minor entry compared to the dozens of novels that don't use the classifications.

 

In short, they exist but for the most part aren't particularly relevant, with many Jedi, especially in Luke's Order, not labeling themselves as one or the other.

 

There mystique will probably keep them this way. They are like something the Jedi don't like to acknowledge and there is much potential in that. 

 

 Luke's order is a whole different beast in itself. However if you look at figures like Kyle Katarn, you see they are actually more like the Gray Jedi than the stuffy Old Republic Jedi, thus making them ironically like the aforementioned figures.

[TheRedStranger]

It sounds like the later Grey Jedi are more my speed. I have never understood how the Jedi could bring balance to the force by eliminating the users of the dark side; it makes no logical sense. To me one who masters both sides would be a lot more powerful than one that used one or the other.

As far as lightsabre colour I would go with whatever would work, which unfortunately means the purple one. Oh well, it's not the only weapon at ones' disposal.

 

Start at 2:01. Listen to Darth Plagus. Note there is a mutual exlusivity of powers that puts a small wrench the wheels of the Grey Jedi. You can't be both at the same time 100%. Some form of Dark Side/ Light Side hypostasis is impossible given the lore of this universe. Gray's weakness would a lack of specialization, yet that would mean they have become powerful generalists with a full bag of tricks.

 

[Captain Sorzo]

It sounds like the later Grey Jedi are more my speed. I have never understood how the Jedi could bring balance to the force by eliminating the users of the dark side; it makes no logical sense.

 

There's been a lot of debate about this, both in-universe and in real life, but at the end of the day I'm fairly sure Lucas stated that that's how it's done. Balance isn't about equilibrium between the two. Rather, the Dark Side is like a corrupting cancer, while the Light Side is the natural, ideal state being disrupted. Balance is obtained when the corruption is purged, an ideal that's ultimately not possible to be entirely achieved.

[TheRedStranger]

 

It sounds like the later Grey Jedi are more my speed. I have never understood how the Jedi could bring balance to the force by eliminating the users of the dark side; it makes no logical sense.

 

There's been a lot of debate about this, both in-universe and in real life, but at the end of the day I'm fairly sure Lucas stated that that's how it's done. Balance isn't about equilibrium between the two. Rather, the Dark Side is like a corrupting cancer, while the Light Side is the natural, ideal state being disrupted. Balance is obtained when the corruption is purged, an ideal that's ultimately not possible to be entirely achieved.

 

 

Making this actually a non-duelistic system. This is not like Yin and Yhang, it's like the Christian concept of sin (anomia). Sin is trangression against divine law (1 John 3:4, a perversion of something good ; eg. sex breeds life and consummates loving bonds/ sexual deviancy destroys life and families) . Mere Christianity speaks of this well, describing evil as not a sperate foce of itsself  but a corruption, a parasitic force, much like a shadow, it can't exsist without the light...yet the light can exsist without it ("shalom"). Evil is but a transient thing, something to be endured for the benifit of the good and eventually purged. To qoute Martin Luther (and yes, Lutheranism influenced Lucas): "The devil is God's devil." The reason evil is not completly ousted in the Star Wars franchise is obvious - you would have no conflict, thus no story (no more money for people who want live off and entertainment that want to consume these stories). As long as their is need for these stories, evil will be in all stories (are you seeing some meta stuff here?) 

 

 Ultimatley I view the force, in universe, as the meta-physical reflection of your soul, empowered. I don't like the pantheism stuff that contradicts horribly with the rest of the narrative is akwardly mixed in.  If you tried to be good and evil at the same time for the benifits of power, power would consume you and make you evil. Nuetrality is a myth, "you can only serve one master, either you will love the one and hate the other."

 

 Note that I would punch Yoda tough for his blatant Gnostic gibberish. Matter isn't "crude..." Also, I think the soterological aspects of Lucas's work is also very skewed.

[RedAuthar]

The whole Guardian/Sentinel/Consular classification system was created chiefly for the purpose of gameplay mechanics in RPGs and isn't widely used elsewhere. As such, there's certainly no hard and fast rule regarding blue, yellow, and green sabers.

Even in the RPGs you could STILL select what color you wanted. 

 

Though in the EU the Classes of Jedi, though Blurred, did exist.  Like I said though there were more classes and the they were more blurred.

 

 

In short, they exist but for the most part aren't particularly relevant, with many Jedi, especially in Luke's Order, not labeling themselves as one or the other.

Cuz Luke is awesome.

 

 

It sounds like the later Grey Jedi are more my speed. I have never understood how the Jedi could bring balance to the force by eliminating the users of the dark side; it makes no logical sense. To me one who masters both sides would be a lot more powerful than one that used one or the other.

As far as lightsabre colour I would go with whatever would work the best, which unfortunately means the purple one. Oh well, it's not the only weapon at ones' disposal.

Think of it less of Black and White.  There is a difference between the Dark Side and the Sith.  The Sith were a corrupted Cult of Jedi, taking Ideals from the Sith Species.  They abused the powers of the Dark Side.  

 

Meanwhile the Jedi are so lightsided that they too have become corrupted and very political.  Instead of being Knights of Peace, they've become a sign of Political Stance for the Republic.  Honestly every single time a Jedi got involved, you knew who were the "good guys" in a situation.

[Uncle Ben]

i really need to get into Star Wars

[ILOVEVHS]

i really need to get into Star Wars

Look for the original trilogy boxset and watch the theatrical versions first.

[LogiTeeka]

Oh boy! I've been a "Star Wars" fanatic longer than I care to remember. Ever since the announcement of "Revenge of the Sith", I've been immersing myself in "Star Wars" lore, from the Expanded Universe to behind-the-scenes facts. And with the upcoming seventh episode, all I'm wondering is wether Abrams will acknowledge the Expanded Universe or do it his own way like he did in "Star Trek". Guess I'll have to wait and find out.

Anyway, while on the topic, has anyone seen the "Ewoks" animated series?

[ILOVEVHS]

Anyway, while on the topic, has anyone seen the "Ewoks" animated series?

UGGGGGGGGHH. YES.

[LogiTeeka]

Anyway, while on the topic, has anyone seen the "Ewoks" animated series?

UGGGGGGGGHH. YES.

Nothing wrong with that, right?

Honestly, I kinda enjoyed the series. It's neat to see the Forest Moon of Endor through the eyes of its diminutive inhabitants. Who would've figured that the forest moon would also harbor giants (both Goraxes and Phlogs), gnomes, dragons, fairies, intergalactic pirates and tons of other bizarre creatures? I especially enjoy the Ewoks goofy-yet-threatening arch rivals, the Duloks.

[ILOVEVHS]

I don't like Ewoks, it's way too childish for me. And this is coming from a person who still watches Blue's Clues.

I do like Droids, though. That was a cool series.

[LogiTeeka]

"Winnie the Pooh" and SatAM were also childish, yet I see tons of people who enjoy them despite their older age. Heck, there's ton of shows which people would deem childish that are watched by people of all ages.

"Droids" was okay, but I couldn't get into it as much as the "Ewoks" series. I guess that's just me though.

Also, check this out. One of the Duloks makes a cameo in Genndy Tartakovsky's "Clone Wars" series:
http://starwars.wiki..._Wars_Dulok.jpg

[Captain Sorzo]

Oh boy! I've been a "Star Wars" fanatic longer than I care to remember. Ever since the announcement of "Revenge of the Sith", I've been immersing myself in "Star Wars" lore, from the Expanded Universe to behind-the-scenes facts. And with the upcoming seventh episode, all I'm wondering is wether Abrams will acknowledge the Expanded Universe or do it his own way like he did in "Star Trek". Guess I'll have to wait and find out.

 

It's all but certain that there will be a reboot of some sort, whether a clear-cut, obvious one, something involving parallel timelines or dimensions, or an unspoken one (as was the case with the recent Clone Wars animated series, which bulldozed over everything in its path because the incompetent hacks running the show couldn't be bothered to play by the rules everyone else did).

 

If they did include EU material, the best case scenario would be to include everything up to and including the NJO, given that everything afterward is a colossal trainwreck. However, given the massive consequences of the Vong War, including the NJO would alienate most casual viewers. In particular, the events of Vector Prime would cause outrage all over again. As such, realistically they'd have to make Union the cutoff point. Frankly, there's absolutely no reason not to include the core elements from the Bantam era, given that they're almost guaranteed to have Disney equivalents anyway and are mostly things audiences would have expected. I'm not talking about specific story arcs, just the general status quo for the galaxy and main characters by the end of Union.

 

Of course, even that's a pipe dream. I have absolutely no faith in the executives in charge to respect the EU at all bar at best a pointless Easter Egg or two tacked on in an insulting attempt at appeasement. Were it not for the return of the legendary John Williams, I wouldn't care about the new films at all.

[TheRedStranger]

They ruined RoJ for me as my number one spot . Return should have been the darkest and deepest of the series, building up Luke's temptation towards the Dark Side and Darth Vader ipso facto in spirtual tug of war. All that time wasted with Ewoks should have been spent on showing off the evil and impact of the emperor. And watching those fluff balls pound Imperial troops spoiled the might and threateningness of the Empire an it's dark lord, when it should seem most threatening. The same group that nuked Alderaan and billions of men, women, and children got bested by a bunch of tiny furries with sticks . :/ That makes sense.

[ILOVEVHS]

I mean in a bad way. SatAM, Pooh Bear and stuff like that are childish in good ways.