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[Prince ByTor]

A bit harsh, in my opinion, but Sega has been asking for it.

 

http://www.videogame...lost_cause.html

 

[TheRedStranger]

If Sega dies, Sonic lives. 

 

 I would reply with the Kenobi-Counter.

 

 Strike down Sonic and he'll become more powerful than you could possibly imagine. His fanbase is way more personally dedicated to him than let's say Mario, which has no personality beyond a smile and a goofy accent: they would pull through. Also, no one would ever let Sonic hanging if SEGA flubbed. Somebody would buy up SEGA and fix Sonic into a AAA (*cough*Nintendo*cough*). 

 

 Either way (and the other way looks very possible as well, seeing how sucessful Colors and Generations was alone, sans the miscillanious merchandise) I forsee that hedgehog rootin' and scootin' longer than all of us.

 

 Also, I don't see this kind of a fly by night source. I heard Nintendo Power gave the new Sonic game an 8\10. And ultimately I judge a work by own play through and the fans.

[Captain Sorzo]

 Either way (and the other way looks very possible as well, seeing how sucessful Colors and Generations was alone, sans the miscillanious merchandise) I forsee that hedgehog root and scootin' longer than all of us.

 

Aw, no way! Scootin' and rootin'?!

[Prince ByTor]

If Sega dies, Sonic lives. 

 

 I would reply with the Kenobi-Counter.

 

 Strike down Sonic and he'll become more powerful than you could possibly imagine. His fanbase is way more personally dedicated to him than let's say Mario, which has no personality beyond a smile and a goofy accent: they would pull through. Also, no one would ever let Sonic hanging if SEGA flubbed. Somebody would buy up SEGA and fix Sonic into a AAA (*cough*Nintendo*cough*). 

 

 Either way (and the other way looks very possible as well, seeing how sucessful Colors and Generations was alone, sans the miscillanious merchandise) I forsee that hedgehog root and scootin' longer than all of us.

 

 Also, I don't see this kind of a fly by night source. I heard Nintendo Power gave the new Sonic game an 8\10. And ultimately I judge a work by own play through and the fans.

 

Yeah, the Nintendo magazines are giving it respectable scores, but most of the independent ones are giving it much lower. Edge for example gave it 4/10. Right now on N4G it's pulling an average of 6.4 as of this post. I agree, you have to play it for yourself before you can truly judge a game, but if the independent consensus is 'meh' they can't be all wrong.

 

I know I haven't been a fan of Sonic games for a many years now so you can take what I say as such, but I can't help but laugh my butt off seeing Sega's Sonic Game Universe burn to the ground. I can't believe how bad Sega has done with their beloved mascot, and concerning Generations and Colours: a broken clock is right twice a day. 

[RedAuthar]

 

Give him a break for a few years maybe, whittle out HD versions of the first games to keep fans aware and then… BOOM. Hopefully a glorious return, one that irons out all the kinks and provides a truly wold class experience. It’s not beyond Sega, after all. Once upon a time Sonic was in games that could easily compete with Mario on level pegging, and Lost World has a good game screaming to get out at times.

This right here bugs me.  Why?  Well since the Dreamcast, half of Sonic's Games have been Remakes, which I might add were beginning to get marked as bad as well, it isn't going to help.

 

I agree SEGA has some problems, but maybe it's because I didn't grow up with Sonic 1 - 3 and Knuckles, I'm not seeing Sonic being any different than he was from day one.

[Prince ByTor]

 

I agree SEGA has some problems, but maybe it's because I didn't grow up with Sonic 1 - 3 and Knuckles, I'm not seeing Sonic being any different than he was from day one.

 

 

You see, I did grow up with those games and I can tell you they were the AAA "have to own" game back then. Truthfully for me I look on these newer generations not really as Sonic games but as some bastardized hodgepodge; honestly it's not a conscious choice and I'm not "just hating on the newer generations." I guess I'm done with the whole: "well, let's just wait until the next one, it'll be great!" or "Yay! another Sonic game!" pretending that it's good when it actually sucks. The hope I once had for Sonic games has transformed from disbelief to now just comedy gold; like watching someone build a house out of craftpaper expecting it to be livable as a normal house, then crashing through the porch and watching it collapse when they try to enter it. And the worst part is, like Sega with the Sonic franchise, they can't figure out why their product sucks.

 

Sorry for the rant.

[LogiTeeka]

I've been watching a "let's play" on YouTube of the game, and honestly, from what I've seen so far, it's not a bad game. It's a bit clumsy and finicky, but I'm enjoying it so far. In fact, it's the first Sonic game I've seen in years that actually looks fun; even if you're not playing it.

I think all this negative flack the game's been getting lately is due to reviewers not getting accustomed to the gameplay. Like they play the game for half an hour (rushing into it without taking their time), write a review which only their followers will read, put a number on it, and call it a day (the guy doing the "let's play" plays the game better than the so-called "reviewers" did and is enjoying himself, so there's no excuse). There's a good reason why people should play the games and judge it for themselves.

And for those who jump on the bandwagon of hate and constantly ask "why does Sonic suck nowadays?", I have to ask... Are you too old for this? I mean, everyone grows up gradually, and some stuff which we grew up with becomes dull or pointless. If you have no more interest in the stuff, why keep it around? It's not gonna keep you happy anymore, so why bother?

[TheRedStranger]

I've been watching a "let's play" on YouTube of the game, and honestly, from what I've seen so far, it's not a bad game. It's a bit clumsy and finicky, but I'm enjoying it so far. In fact, it's the first Sonic game I've seen in years that actually looks fun; even if you're not playing it.

I think all this negative flack the game's been getting lately is due to reviewers not getting accustomed to the gameplay. Like they play the game for half an hour (rushing into it without taking their time), write a review which only their followers will read, put a number on it, and call it a day (the guy doing the "let's play" plays the game better than the so-called "reviewers" did and is enjoying himself, so there's no excuse). There's a good reason why people should play the games and judge it for themselves.

 

Also gotta note that most games nowadays are clumsy and finicky when they come out (they spurt 'em out and prematurely then fix the bugs later).

 

 Let's plays are superior forms of reviews (sans a clever combination). Don't you agree?

[LogiTeeka]

Also gotta note that most games nowadays are clumsy and finicky when they come out (they spurt 'em out and prematurely then fix the bugs later).
 
 Let's plays are superior forms of reviews (sans a clever combination). Don't you agree?

Agreed. They allow you to see the game for yourself and listen to someone's actual account/opinion while he/she plays it.

[ILOVEVHS]

This is why you READ the manual, dipshits.

[RedAuthar]

 

 

I agree SEGA has some problems, but maybe it's because I didn't grow up with Sonic 1 - 3 and Knuckles, I'm not seeing Sonic being any different than he was from day one.

 

 

You see, I did grow up with those games and I can tell you they were the AAA "have to own" game back then. Truthfully for me I look on these newer generations not really as Sonic games but as some bastardized hodgepodge; honestly it's not a conscious choice and I'm not "just hating on the newer generations." I guess I'm done with the whole: "well, let's just wait until the next one, it'll be great!" or "Yay! another Sonic game!" pretending that it's good when it actually sucks. The hope I once had for Sonic games has transformed from disbelief to now just comedy gold; like watching someone build a house out of craftpaper expecting it to be livable as a normal house, then crashing through the porch and watching it collapse when they try to enter it. And the worst part is, like Sega with the Sonic franchise, they can't figure out why their product sucks.

 

Sorry for the rant.

 

And that is just it.  I keep hearing these stories of how great the original games are and I'm not seeing.  My only conclusion is my tastes are different because I didn't grow up with the originals.  

And for the Record I did have a PC Copy of 3 and Knuckles before ever owning Adventure 2 Battle.  I still had a taste of the classic Sonic before the "Modern" Generation.

 

The Original Sonic Games aren't better than the newer ones, SEGA didn't really change the formula.  What changed is the other games compared to it. 

[Prince ByTor]

 

 

 

I agree SEGA has some problems, but maybe it's because I didn't grow up with Sonic 1 - 3 and Knuckles, I'm not seeing Sonic being any different than he was from day one.

 

 

You see, I did grow up with those games and I can tell you they were the AAA "have to own" game back then. Truthfully for me I look on these newer generations not really as Sonic games but as some bastardized hodgepodge; honestly it's not a conscious choice and I'm not "just hating on the newer generations." I guess I'm done with the whole: "well, let's just wait until the next one, it'll be great!" or "Yay! another Sonic game!" pretending that it's good when it actually sucks. The hope I once had for Sonic games has transformed from disbelief to now just comedy gold; like watching someone build a house out of craftpaper expecting it to be livable as a normal house, then crashing through the porch and watching it collapse when they try to enter it. And the worst part is, like Sega with the Sonic franchise, they can't figure out why their product sucks.

 

Sorry for the rant.

 

And that is just it.  I keep hearing these stories of how great the original games are and I'm not seeing.  My only conclusion is my tastes are different because I didn't grow up with the originals.  

And for the Record I did have a PC Copy of 3 and Knuckles before ever owning Adventure 2 Battle.  I still had a taste of the classic Sonic before the "Modern" Generation.

 

The Original Sonic Games aren't better than the newer ones, SEGA didn't really change the formula.  What changed is the other games compared to it. 

 

 

It's up to each player's own opinion as to which generation is better, but I will say that there is probably something to your belief that Sega is not changing their formula. If you think about it, Mario has periodically changed starting with Mario 64 and on to the games today. Sega has a tenancy of squelching creativity in favour of profit whist Nintendo has kept moving forward with its franchises and is still in the hardware business. I guess if Sega was Ford they'd still be making the Model T in 2013; (it must be good, it sold so well a century earlier.)

[RedAuthar]

 

 

 

 

I agree SEGA has some problems, but maybe it's because I didn't grow up with Sonic 1 - 3 and Knuckles, I'm not seeing Sonic being any different than he was from day one.

 

 

You see, I did grow up with those games and I can tell you they were the AAA "have to own" game back then. Truthfully for me I look on these newer generations not really as Sonic games but as some bastardized hodgepodge; honestly it's not a conscious choice and I'm not "just hating on the newer generations." I guess I'm done with the whole: "well, let's just wait until the next one, it'll be great!" or "Yay! another Sonic game!" pretending that it's good when it actually sucks. The hope I once had for Sonic games has transformed from disbelief to now just comedy gold; like watching someone build a house out of craftpaper expecting it to be livable as a normal house, then crashing through the porch and watching it collapse when they try to enter it. And the worst part is, like Sega with the Sonic franchise, they can't figure out why their product sucks.

 

Sorry for the rant.

 

And that is just it.  I keep hearing these stories of how great the original games are and I'm not seeing.  My only conclusion is my tastes are different because I didn't grow up with the originals.  

And for the Record I did have a PC Copy of 3 and Knuckles before ever owning Adventure 2 Battle.  I still had a taste of the classic Sonic before the "Modern" Generation.

 

The Original Sonic Games aren't better than the newer ones, SEGA didn't really change the formula.  What changed is the other games compared to it. 

 

 

It's up to each player's own opinion as to which generation is better, but I will say that there is probably something to your belief that Sega is not changing their formula. If you think about it, Mario has periodically changed starting with Mario 64 and on to the games today. Sega has a tenancy of squelching creativity in favour of profit whist Nintendo has kept moving forward with its franchises and is still in the hardware business. I guess if Sega was Ford they'd still be making the Model T in 2013; (it must be good, it sold so well a century earlier.)

 

Actually that sounds just about right.  SEGA hasn't changed things.  Each Game added a new character and one new gameplay mechanic.  Since then SEGA always introduces a new character in each game, and one new method of play that doesn't always go over well.  Maybe if they tried something different...

[TheRedStranger]

 

 

 

 

 

I agree SEGA has some problems, but maybe it's because I didn't grow up with Sonic 1 - 3 and Knuckles, I'm not seeing Sonic being any different than he was from day one.

 

 

You see, I did grow up with those games and I can tell you they were the AAA "have to own" game back then. Truthfully for me I look on these newer generations not really as Sonic games but as some bastardized hodgepodge; honestly it's not a conscious choice and I'm not "just hating on the newer generations." I guess I'm done with the whole: "well, let's just wait until the next one, it'll be great!" or "Yay! another Sonic game!" pretending that it's good when it actually sucks. The hope I once had for Sonic games has transformed from disbelief to now just comedy gold; like watching someone build a house out of craftpaper expecting it to be livable as a normal house, then crashing through the porch and watching it collapse when they try to enter it. And the worst part is, like Sega with the Sonic franchise, they can't figure out why their product sucks.

 

Sorry for the rant.

 

And that is just it.  I keep hearing these stories of how great the original games are and I'm not seeing.  My only conclusion is my tastes are different because I didn't grow up with the originals.  

And for the Record I did have a PC Copy of 3 and Knuckles before ever owning Adventure 2 Battle.  I still had a taste of the classic Sonic before the "Modern" Generation.

 

The Original Sonic Games aren't better than the newer ones, SEGA didn't really change the formula.  What changed is the other games compared to it. 

 

 

It's up to each player's own opinion as to which generation is better, but I will say that there is probably something to your belief that Sega is not changing their formula. If you think about it, Mario has periodically changed starting with Mario 64 and on to the games today. Sega has a tenancy of squelching creativity in favour of profit whist Nintendo has kept moving forward with its franchises and is still in the hardware business. I guess if Sega was Ford they'd still be making the Model T in 2013; (it must be good, it sold so well a century earlier.)

 

Actually that sounds just about right.  SEGA hasn't changed things.  Each Game added a new character and one new gameplay mechanic.  Since then SEGA always introduces a new character in each game, and one new method of play that doesn't always go over well.  Maybe if they tried something different...

 

 

 Maybe actually give Sonic a story. And Sally, Roter, Bunnie, and sonsal, and Sonsal, and Roboticization as a cool replacement convept for death, and Sonsal.

[LogiTeeka]

Maybe actually give Sonic a story. And Sally, Roter, Bunnie, and sonsal, and Sonsal, and Roboticization as a cool replacement convept for death, and Sonsal.

I'm afraid that alone won't work. There are plenty of games out there that have absolutely no plot, yet they're highly praised by everyone. When people play videogames, they're mainly looking for unique gameplay. Otherwise, there wouldn't be a point in calling it a "video game", would there?

[Captain Sorzo]

 

Maybe actually give Sonic a story. And Sally, Roter, Bunnie, and sonsal, and Sonsal, and Roboticization as a cool replacement convept for death, and Sonsal.

I'm afraid that alone won't work.

 

Of course it won't.

 

Needs more SonSal.

[RedAuthar]

 

Maybe actually give Sonic a story. And Sally, Roter, Bunnie, and sonsal, and Sonsal, and Roboticization as a cool replacement convept for death, and Sonsal.

I'm afraid that alone won't work. There are plenty of games out there that have absolutely no plot, yet they're highly praised by everyone. When people play videogames, they're mainly looking for unique gameplay. Otherwise, there wouldn't be a point in calling it a "video game", would there?

easy

The Plot has to fit the gameplay.  For example the older games didn't need a highly developed plot because the gameplay was simple and only needed a basic story for a setting.  

 

If they game is going to be simple, a simple plot is better.  Save a complex plot for a game that takes a while to get into, like an RPG. 

[TheRedStranger]

 

 

Maybe actually give Sonic a story. And Sally, Roter, Bunnie, and sonsal, and Sonsal, and Roboticization as a cool replacement convept for death, and Sonsal.

I'm afraid that alone won't work. There are plenty of games out there that have absolutely no plot, yet they're highly praised by everyone. When people play videogames, they're mainly looking for unique gameplay. Otherwise, there wouldn't be a point in calling it a "video game", would there?

easy

The Plot has to fit the gameplay.  For example the older games didn't need a highly developed plot because the gameplay was simple and only needed a basic story for a setting.  

 

If they game is going to be simple, a simple plot is better.  Save a complex plot for a game that takes a while to get into, like an RPG. 

 

 

 And Sonic can be that. The future of gaming lays in the hands of those who can tap into the mediums greatest power interactive fiction. The more we care about what is going on (the narrative) the more engaged we are. Look at what sells. The Last of Us. GTAV. Mass Effect 1/2/3. Uncharted. MGS 1/2/3/4/PeaceWalker/ and now 5. Tall Tale's The Walking Dead. Batman Arkham Franchise (which has Dennie O'neal himself writing it!) The best selling games that pull us into the gameplay have great stories. Not just great, but multi-faceted with many potential outcomes. Why would we smack Sonic in the face by railroading and watering down his persona with a scant plot? If you want a mindless platformer go buy Angry Birds. It's cheaper. 

 

 I think Sonic deserves another RPG with platforming elements yet a wildly creative story.

[LogiTeeka]

Still catching up on the "let's play" of the game, and I gotta say... I'm really enjoying it so far! Not only does the gameplay look fun (if still a bit finicky at times), but the story... Wow! For once, it's a story I can really sink my teeth into! Character interaction and development, tension, serious drama... It's all there! I haven't seen a Sonic game this good in a long time.

What's also interesting is the characterization of the main protagonists. Instead of the bland personalities we've seen in recent games (especially "Sonic Generations"), the characters act like real people in this game: Sonic's just as cocky and impulsive as his SatAM depiction, Tails gets frustrated with Sonic's attitude and begins arguing with him, and Dr. Eggman grows concerned with the dilemma and shows a more serious side to his personality. Let's hope this leads to more interesting stories in future games.

[ILOVEVHS]

Maybe actually give Sonic a story. And Sally, Roter, Bunnie, and sonsal, and Sonsal, and Roboticization as a cool replacement convept for death, and Sonsal.

I'm afraid that alone won't work.

 
Of course it won't.
 
Needs more SonSal.

No, no, no, no...what it needs is [CENSORED TO PROTECT THE INTERNET].