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[Louis the Hedgehog]

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I was hoping this idea would gain support from BOTH sides since this would be BETTER than a compromise. But before I spread this around further I want some feedback. Does anyone else have any better ideas? Is there anything I should clarify further?

[Uncle Ben]

I still dont think its gonna work.

[TheRedStranger]

I still dont think its gonna work.

 

Tell him why Ben. Can't just say no and leave the guy hanging. 

[RedAuthar]

The problem comes down to some fans want one side or the other to just disappear so their favorite can shine.  

 

Compromise means everyone has to give so everyone can gain.  Unfortunately none of us ever wanna give.

 

 

And remember, the Sonic Fanbase is relatively tame compared to the horror that is the Star Wars Fan base, it's not the only divided one. 

[Louis the Hedgehog]

The problem comes down to some fans want one side or the other to just disappear so their favorite can shine.  

 

Compromise means everyone has to give so everyone can gain.  Unfortunately none of us ever wanna give.

 

 

And remember, the Sonic Fanbase is relatively tame compared to the horror that is the Star Wars Fan base, it's not the only divided one. 

The whole POINT of this is that one can shine without destroying the other. (I once made the mistake of thinking otherwise myself.) What suggestions do you have for making that clearer to convey to people reading this?

 

I know this may not stop ALL the fanwars, but hopefully this will end the reputation of being a fan base that is constantly at war with itself.

 

 

I still dont think its gonna work.

Let me guess, too few resources? They could always take turns.

[Uncle Ben]

I have explained it before.

 

The Sonic fanbase is too heavily divided at this point. Considering that SOJ and SOA have to different directions they have sent Sonic in over the years and with Archie, the shows, Fleetway, several generations of Games and Gamers. Every fan has a different persepective of what Sonic is. Now some are willing to agree with others but most fans are very stone willed about what they think Sonic is. Everything from Pairings, to characters, to games, etc. they arent willing to compromise about anything. Sure some may agree to certain things but their main ideals wont be changed.

 

Its not about the resources, its about the fans who probably wont accept the idea

[Louis the Hedgehog]

I have explained it before.

 

The Sonic fanbase is too heavily divided at this point. Considering that SOJ and SOA have to different directions they have sent Sonic in over the years and with Archie, the shows, Fleetway, several generations of Games and Gamers. Every fan has a different persepective of what Sonic is. Now some are willing to agree with others but most fans are very stone willed about what they think Sonic is. Everything from Pairings, to characters, to games, etc. they arent willing to compromise about anything. Sure some may agree to certain things but their main ideals wont be changed.

 

Its not about the resources, its about the fans who probably wont accept the idea

I thought this explains that this ALLOWS people to go their different ways if they want to. Even BOTH ways if they want. The strategy is TWO cannons (at least). This way everyone gets what they want? Is there anything wrong with that?

 

This way the core Archie Sonic comics can be freed from the restrictions and SEGA of Japan can have sonic portrayed the way THEY want. If only this solution was implemented sooner...

[RedAuthar]

 

The problem comes down to some fans want one side or the other to just disappear so their favorite can shine.  

 

Compromise means everyone has to give so everyone can gain.  Unfortunately none of us ever wanna give.

 

 

And remember, the Sonic Fanbase is relatively tame compared to the horror that is the Star Wars Fan base, it's not the only divided one. 

The whole POINT of this is that one can shine without destroying the other. (I once made the mistake of thinking otherwise myself.) What suggestions do you have for making that clearer to convey to people reading this?

 

I know this may not stop ALL the fanwars, but hopefully this will end the reputation of being a fan base that is constantly at war with itself.

 

Depends on how you define losing.  Some fans are okay with the other canons.  Other fans are not.  They consider having to share losing. 

[TheRedStranger]

 

I have explained it before.

 

The Sonic fanbase is too heavily divided at this point. Considering that SOJ and SOA have to different directions they have sent Sonic in over the years and with Archie, the shows, Fleetway, several generations of Games and Gamers. Every fan has a different persepective of what Sonic is. Now some are willing to agree with others but most fans are very stone willed about what they think Sonic is. Everything from Pairings, to characters, to games, etc. they arent willing to compromise about anything. Sure some may agree to certain things but their main ideals wont be changed.

 

Its not about the resources, its about the fans who probably wont accept the idea

I thought this explains that this ALLOWS people to go their different ways if they want to. Even BOTH ways if they want. The strategy is TWO cannons (at least). This way everyone gets what they want? Is there anything wrong with that?

 

This way the core Archie Sonic comics can be freed from the restrictions and SEGA of Japan can have sonic portrayed the way THEY want. If only this solution was implemented sooner...

 

 

Hm

 

 

 

The problem comes down to some fans want one side or the other to just disappear so their favorite can shine.  

 

Compromise means everyone has to give so everyone can gain.  Unfortunately none of us ever wanna give.

 

 

And remember, the Sonic Fanbase is relatively tame compared to the horror that is the Star Wars Fan base, it's not the only divided one. 

The whole POINT of this is that one can shine without destroying the other. (I once made the mistake of thinking otherwise myself.) What suggestions do you have for making that clearer to convey to people reading this?

 

I know this may not stop ALL the fanwars, but hopefully this will end the reputation of being a fan base that is constantly at war with itself.

 

Depends on how you define losing.  Some fans are okay with the other canons.  Other fans are not.  They consider having to share losing. 

 

 

 As a capitalist and man of biz, I see this being a profitable choice. Capcom has practically done this with Megaman: original, X (a.k.acajun flavored), and Legends.You don't see a lot of bickering there. In fact people complained that they were scraping one of those games instead (ML3).  A Sonic, Sonic X, and Sonic Legacy, gig would work.

 

Also comics do this with amazing sucess. Variety is the spice of life. Might as well be arguing that Subway should settle with only one deli-meat, for the sake of making that sandwhich the best. Unless you wish to mind control everybody into homogenizing their perceptions, I think this would be an optimal and profitable solution.

 

The resource argument doesm't make sense either. I mean look, we live in a world where Indie devs on a show string budgets are pumping out both highly profitable magnum opuses left and right (minecraft, Project Zomboid, Slender Huant, Prenumbra series, Amnesia series) on a shoe string budget. I am sure SEGA could handle it.   

[Uncle Ben]

 

I have explained it before.

 

The Sonic fanbase is too heavily divided at this point. Considering that SOJ and SOA have to different directions they have sent Sonic in over the years and with Archie, the shows, Fleetway, several generations of Games and Gamers. Every fan has a different persepective of what Sonic is. Now some are willing to agree with others but most fans are very stone willed about what they think Sonic is. Everything from Pairings, to characters, to games, etc. they arent willing to compromise about anything. Sure some may agree to certain things but their main ideals wont be changed.

 

Its not about the resources, its about the fans who probably wont accept the idea

I thought this explains that this ALLOWS people to go their different ways if they want to. Even BOTH ways if they want. The strategy is TWO cannons (at least). This way everyone gets what they want? Is there anything wrong with that?

 

Yea the fans then argue which canon is better. And to answer whats wrong with it? A lot actually. Confusion amonst new fans would be the biggest issue

Look im not trying to be a buzz kill here. I'm looking at this as a reallist

[RedAuthar]

 

 

I have explained it before.

 

The Sonic fanbase is too heavily divided at this point. Considering that SOJ and SOA have to different directions they have sent Sonic in over the years and with Archie, the shows, Fleetway, several generations of Games and Gamers. Every fan has a different persepective of what Sonic is. Now some are willing to agree with others but most fans are very stone willed about what they think Sonic is. Everything from Pairings, to characters, to games, etc. they arent willing to compromise about anything. Sure some may agree to certain things but their main ideals wont be changed.

 

Its not about the resources, its about the fans who probably wont accept the idea

I thought this explains that this ALLOWS people to go their different ways if they want to. Even BOTH ways if they want. The strategy is TWO cannons (at least). This way everyone gets what they want? Is there anything wrong with that?

 

This way the core Archie Sonic comics can be freed from the restrictions and SEGA of Japan can have sonic portrayed the way THEY want. If only this solution was implemented sooner...

 

 

Hm

 

 

 

The problem comes down to some fans want one side or the other to just disappear so their favorite can shine.  

 

Compromise means everyone has to give so everyone can gain.  Unfortunately none of us ever wanna give.

 

 

And remember, the Sonic Fanbase is relatively tame compared to the horror that is the Star Wars Fan base, it's not the only divided one. 

The whole POINT of this is that one can shine without destroying the other. (I once made the mistake of thinking otherwise myself.) What suggestions do you have for making that clearer to convey to people reading this?

 

I know this may not stop ALL the fanwars, but hopefully this will end the reputation of being a fan base that is constantly at war with itself.

 

Depends on how you define losing.  Some fans are okay with the other canons.  Other fans are not.  They consider having to share losing. 

 

 

 As a capitalist and man of biz, I see this being a profitable choice. Capcom has practically done this with Megaman: original, X (a.k.acajun flavored), and Legends.You don't see a lot of bickering there. In fact people complained that they were scraping one of those games instead (ML3).  A Sonic, Sonic X, and Sonic Legacy, gig would work.

 

Also comics do this with amazing sucess. Variety is the spice of life. Might as well be arguing that Subway should settle with only one deli-meat, for the sake of making that sandwhich the best. Unless you wish to mind control everybody into homogenizing their perceptions, I think this would be an optimal and profitable solution.

 

 

Again using the Star Wars fan base as a comparison:

 

There are fans that are so in love with the original series with it's original quality that they sent death threats to Movie Theaters and George Lucas for the Special Editions and 3D versions.  They have their version still there untouched, but they don't want to let anyone else enjoy an upgraded version because they don't wanna share.  Variety may be the spice of life, but some people like their food without spices.  They got to Subway and order the same sammich every time, without changing it.  They don't like the change or the variety.  

 

Heck there is an old lady at my work that yells at me everyday she shows up (which is a lot) because she doesn't like change and because I'm new she instantly doesn't like me.  

 

Again some fans don't want to see the other fandoms.  They would consider it a loss for the two Sonics to Coexist.  

 

 

I'm not saying allowing the two canons is a bad idea.  I'm just saying it won't really solve anything because it's basically what we have now. 

[TheRedStranger]

 

 

 

I have explained it before.

 

The Sonic fanbase is too heavily divided at this point. Considering that SOJ and SOA have to different directions they have sent Sonic in over the years and with Archie, the shows, Fleetway, several generations of Games and Gamers. Every fan has a different persepective of what Sonic is. Now some are willing to agree with others but most fans are very stone willed about what they think Sonic is. Everything from Pairings, to characters, to games, etc. they arent willing to compromise about anything. Sure some may agree to certain things but their main ideals wont be changed.

 

Its not about the resources, its about the fans who probably wont accept the idea

I thought this explains that this ALLOWS people to go their different ways if they want to. Even BOTH ways if they want. The strategy is TWO cannons (at least). This way everyone gets what they want? Is there anything wrong with that?

 

This way the core Archie Sonic comics can be freed from the restrictions and SEGA of Japan can have sonic portrayed the way THEY want. If only this solution was implemented sooner...

 

 

Hm

 

 

 

The problem comes down to some fans want one side or the other to just disappear so their favorite can shine.  

 

Compromise means everyone has to give so everyone can gain.  Unfortunately none of us ever wanna give.

 

 

And remember, the Sonic Fanbase is relatively tame compared to the horror that is the Star Wars Fan base, it's not the only divided one. 

The whole POINT of this is that one can shine without destroying the other. (I once made the mistake of thinking otherwise myself.) What suggestions do you have for making that clearer to convey to people reading this?

 

I know this may not stop ALL the fanwars, but hopefully this will end the reputation of being a fan base that is constantly at war with itself.

 

Depends on how you define losing.  Some fans are okay with the other canons.  Other fans are not.  They consider having to share losing. 

 

 

 As a capitalist and man of biz, I see this being a profitable choice. Capcom has practically done this with Megaman: original, X (a.k.acajun flavored), and Legends.You don't see a lot of bickering there. In fact people complained that they were scraping one of those games instead (ML3).  A Sonic, Sonic X, and Sonic Legacy, gig would work.

 

Also comics do this with amazing sucess. Variety is the spice of life. Might as well be arguing that Subway should settle with only one deli-meat, for the sake of making that sandwhich the best. Unless you wish to mind control everybody into homogenizing their perceptions, I think this would be an optimal and profitable solution.

 

 

Again using the Star Wars fan base as a comparison:

 

There are fans that are so in love with the original series with it's original quality that they sent death threats to Movie Theaters and George Lucas for the Special Editions and 3D versions.  They have their version still there untouched, but they don't want to let anyone else enjoy an upgraded version because they don't wanna share.  Variety may be the spice of life, but some people like their food without spices.  They got to Subway and order the same sammich every time, without changing it.  They don't like the change or the variety.  

 

Heck there is an old lady at my work that yells at me everyday she shows up (which is a lot) because she doesn't like change and because I'm new she instantly doesn't like me.  

 

Again some fans don't want to see the other fandoms.  They would consider it a loss for the two Sonics to Coexist.  

 

 

I'm not saying allowing the two canons is a bad idea.  I'm just saying it won't really solve anything because it's basically what we have now. 

 

 

 

I for one really don't care about the unreasonable. They’re like suicide cults - problems that take care of themselves!  Just let them rip each other apart in the crazy corner and have Amy mop up the mess. There is a special place in Hell for radically egocentric people like that. I for one care about you guys as a whole, and I think you all deserve a fair shot of having a Sonic game you like within your own sub-fandom majorites.

 

 If someone told me people shouldn't eat their whoopers a certain way, I would break their nose and call him a Christless, solopcistic, totalitarian... 

 

Meanwhile in a metaphorical and a delciously cathartic fastfood joint...

 

 Mr. Fyn Nicky: "You can't break up the canons. Sega won't allow this." 

 

 Stranger: " *Edges closer to him* Why? 

 

 Mr. Fyn Nicky: "Because I don't want you to!"

 

Stranger: *Points to everyone in the room.* "We as a whole don't care what you alone want. I am sure we can tempt SEGA with profit. *rubs thumbs together with a grin*. "

 

Mr. Fyn Nicky: But...but...You can't have it your own way!

 

Stranger *clenches fists as people grimace*: "Pot. Kettle. Black."

 

Stranger: Can't have it your own way!? Can't have it your own way?! *Screams aloud as he smacks Mr. Fyn Nicky's face hard against a fiery grill*.

 

 Mr. Fyn Nicky: T-this is madness!

 

Stranger "THIS - IS - BURGER KING!" *Kicks into a meat grinder*.

 

*Cleans blood off hands with a napkin and pleased sigh as he walks towards the exit, whistling Live and Learn passed gawking Sonic fans. Stops in mid step -* 

 

Stranger: Oh! Red, my -um- grinding services come in old-lady-at-work flavor...at a reasonable price.  *Stuff number in his coat pocket* *Snaps fingers and points* Call me if you want to do business.

 

*Lowers his hood as he walks outside, taking Mr. Fyn Nickys's recently ordered BLT*

 

Red (through a mouth full of sandwich as he walks to the parking lot to his X-Wing):  "I am sure he’s lost his appetite for this…He won’t mind.”

[RedAuthar]

Ah but the whole idea was to find a solution to please the majority if not everyone.  Since that is an impossibility, it's all a matter of balance, which leads us back to where we are. 

[TheRedStranger]

Ah but the whole idea was to find a solution to please the majority if not everyone.  Since that is an impossibility, it's all a matter of balance, which leads us back to where we are. 

 

You can't make everyone happy. But you can please most of the people a good amount of time with variety or balance. Variety just seems more profitable. Schism it or reform it.

[RedAuthar]

Like I said.  That's where the fan base is now.  A cold war if you will, between the different fan groups that heats up very often.  Is it ideal, no.  However making American Sonic it's own official canon won't improve things.  Things will likely remain as they are.

 

HOWEVER:  I'm sure if American Sonic was canonized the following Games and other Merchandise that follows would be worth it. 

[ILOVEVHS]

The problem comes down to some fans want one side or the other to just disappear so their favorite can shine.  
 
Compromise means everyone has to give so everyone can gain.  Unfortunately none of us ever wanna give.
 
 
And remember, the Sonic Fanbase is relatively tame compared to the horror that is the Star Wars Fan base, it's not the only divided one.

Let me introduce you to the terror that is Football fans.

[RedAuthar]

 

The problem comes down to some fans want one side or the other to just disappear so their favorite can shine.  
 
Compromise means everyone has to give so everyone can gain.  Unfortunately none of us ever wanna give.
 
 
And remember, the Sonic Fanbase is relatively tame compared to the horror that is the Star Wars Fan base, it's not the only divided one.

Let me introduce you to the terror that is Football fans.

 

I don't believe in Football. 

[TheRedStranger]

 

 

The problem comes down to some fans want one side or the other to just disappear so their favorite can shine.  
 
Compromise means everyone has to give so everyone can gain.  Unfortunately none of us ever wanna give.
 
 
And remember, the Sonic Fanbase is relatively tame compared to the horror that is the Star Wars Fan base, it's not the only divided one.

Let me introduce you to the terror that is Football fans.

 

I don't believe in Football. 

 

 

Therefore it doesn't exsist! *Manning poofs into the void*

 

 "Know thy enemy and know thyself and you shall triumph over a thousand battles and never be defeated." General Sun Tzu, The Art of War.

 

 Let's name these groups shall we? How big are they? What are they like? 

[Uncle Ben]

 

 

 

The problem comes down to some fans want one side or the other to just disappear so their favorite can shine.  
 
Compromise means everyone has to give so everyone can gain.  Unfortunately none of us ever wanna give.
 
 
And remember, the Sonic Fanbase is relatively tame compared to the horror that is the Star Wars Fan base, it's not the only divided one.

Let me introduce you to the terror that is Football fans.

 

I don't believe in Football. 

 

 

Therefore it doesn't exsist! *Manning poofs into the void*

 

Tom Brady is better every day of the week

[Louis the Hedgehog]

How did this progress to football?

 

But what I am trying to propose is each universe have its own comics, games, series, maybe even films. You can choose which one you want. There would (hopefully) be far less fan wars, more people would have what they want, there would be more satisfied customers, and that would mean more revenues for SEGA.

 

What possible reason would there be to not support this?