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[TheRedStranger]

i kinda like the Sonic X thing where Mobius IS Earth and at the same time it ISNT, like it split apart after awhile

 

 Good observation Ben. There is always a third option in an "either/or" choice, you just gotta be clever enough to write it.

 

 How'd you pull that off?

[RedAuthar]

 

i kinda like the Sonic X thing where Mobius IS Earth and at the same time it ISNT, like it split apart after awhile

 

 Good observation Ben. There is always a third option in an "either/or" choice, you just gotta be clever enough to write it.

 

 How'd you pull that off?

 

One option is that at one point their histories were the same, but then evolution happened differently on Mobius thus creating a whole new world with similar patterns.

 

Another option is Earth is an alternate dimensional Mobius (also vise-versa) where some historical event did not take place. 

[Uncle Ben]

WWII

[LogiTeeka]

I'm in the opposite boat of LogiTeeka.  I think establishing Mobius as Future Earth takes away from the story.  If Mobius is Future Earth, than Mobius is Limited to Earth Physics/Sciences/etc.  If Mobius is it's own world, Mobius is free to have things that wouldn't work on Earth work, without resorting to it being "Because of the Chaos Emeralds" or "Because of the Master Emerald" or the like.

 

I wasn't suggesting it to be introduced immediately, I was thinking along the lines of gradually introducing it. Kinda like in "Adventure Time", where it gradually reveals the Land of Ooo's origin through a series of hints and flashbacks of the mysterious Mushroom War (a nuclear war).

 

From what I can tell, the physics of Mobius aren't that different than Earth's (gravity acts the same, light exists, ect.). The only difference is that the world harbors many bizarre natural anomalies (odd landscapes, super-powered sentient animals, goofy-looking humans, ect.). I mean, the characters can do incredible feats that are nearly impossible in real-life, but so can the heroes of DC and Marvel; even though they live on Earth as well. And considering animals already posses incredible skills which humans lack, imagine how powerful they'll become through future evolution.

 

i kinda like the Sonic X thing where Mobius IS Earth and at the same time it ISNT, like it split apart after awhile

 

Funny, that's eerily similar to Mobius' backstory in Fleetway's STC. I wonder if the creators were influenced by this, or if it's just a coincidence.

 

If that's the case, I sometimes wonder just what that cataclysm was that split the "Sonic X" Mobius from Earth's timeline. The Chaos Emeralds perhaps?

[Uncle Ben]

I think it was the emeralds...

 

i kinda like the Sonic X thing where Mobius IS Earth and at the same time it ISNT, like it split apart after awhile

 

 Good observation Ben. There is always a third option in an "either/or" choice, you just gotta be clever enough to write it.

 

 How'd you pull that off?

 

 

I would have a meteor hit the planet containing the emeralds, the energy creates a carbon copy of Earth and sends it to a different demension/part of the galaxy. Earth could have the Sol Emeralds for example and Mobius the Chaos Emeralds

[Mike Arcade]

Origins of Mobius? Yeah I can do that.

 

I like how Archie handled it more or less, but they really didn't do much with the Xorda (and probably won't because if we DO get a Black Arms Invasion Arc that might mean the Xorda will either be too weak to be a threat anymore or be wiped out, I can understand why though). Although if I was running the comic maybe the Xorda would have more parts other then the SA2.5 Arc, almost like how Doctor Who handles aliens...wait, is it just me or do the Xorda kinda look like Daleks? Anyway I'd have it so that the Xorda are more aggressive, Humanity has just started to go out into space as huge Ark-like Ships are exploring in order to terra form a new planet in another galaxy (a project YEARS in the making), while a crew (and thousands of people) are away the Xorda attack, why they attack I think could be withheld for awhile just so we can add mystery here. Though Humanity makes a valiant effort The Xorda are too much a nearly turn the planet into glass (no Gene Bomb here, you could guess why). So the Planet is completely screwed, but Humanity in the Arks make themselves new homes on a planet they name after their lost home (what a twist!). Under the sun the ruined Earth cannot make any more life, it would seem that this planet and all it's former life will just sink into the soil, dry up and die...until the Emeralds Arrived...
 

Why use Gene Bombs? The Emeralds themselves can do the job just as well! I was gonna have it so a little chunk of humanity escapes during the Earth-Xorda War but it seems more unlikely that they can get a ship through a fleet of more advanced ships. If you read some of my previous theories you can guess where everything else leads up to, but I don't wanna spoil TOO much and that while I have a decent guideline for The Echidnas I don't have ALL the details in just yet as making the Echidna Backstory from Archie much more smoother and not as complex is pretty tough. So I guess that I'm mixing both STC and Archie here, Mobius and Earth are separate planets, HOWEVER Mobius was The Original Earth and this other Earth is a terra formed and colonized planet. Honestly though I don't think I can do much with Another Earth strange enough, but if Humans came from Space and crashed onto Mobius then not bad if I do say so myself. Maybe a BIT convoluted and Ironic as hell but I'm digging it. 

[Alextendo]

I think it was the emeralds...

 

i kinda like the Sonic X thing where Mobius IS Earth and at the same time it ISNT, like it split apart after awhile

 

 Good observation Ben. There is always a third option in an "either/or" choice, you just gotta be clever enough to write it.

 

 How'd you pull that off?

 

 

I would have a meteor hit the planet containing the emeralds

Better have a meteor who contain the emerald instead of a meteor who contain the martian. It's less deadly.

 

[Uncle Ben]

I swear Alex you're probably like DiNozzo from NCIS in real life

[Alextendo]

I swear Alex you're probably like DiNozzo from NCIS in real life

Never heard of him. What he's like?

 

PS: Hey, i'm currently at 988 post! A bit more and i'll reach my first thousand post! I need to get my confetti ready!

[Uncle Ben]

he just quotes a bunch of movies

[Alextendo]

he just quotes a bunch of movies

Ah, then i guess i'm different from him. I never was a fan of movie (even if i like watching a good film some time to time).

[RedAuthar]

 

I swear Alex you're probably like DiNozzo from NCIS in real life

Never heard of him. What he's like?

 

PS: Hey, i'm currently at 988 post! A bit more and i'll reach my first thousand post! I need to get my confetti ready!

 

You don't get Confetti till your 2000th post.  1000 gives a pat on the back and the chance to throw Eggs at Ben.

[TheRedStranger]

"Nuckles" and the Pender's characters. How would have you written the Echidna?

[Captain Sorzo]

 

You don't get Confetti till your 2000th post.  1000 gives a pat on the back and the chance to throw Eggs at Ben.

 

*Begins posting as quickly as possible*

 

I kid, I kid. Anyway, I'm in the camp that Mobius shouldn't be tied to Earth at all. Trying to force a connection feels contrived regardless of the approach, and it doesn't add anything particularly meaningful from a world building standpoint. Having sentient, anthropomorphic analogues of Earth species isn't going to make sense anyway, so it's better to not dwell on it and let suspension of disbelief handle the rest.

 

As far as the origins of humans on Mobius, I like to think of them as descendants from a lost colony vessel of some sort, as it still leaves them distinct from the other species. While Earth could be their original homeworld, having it be some other planet entirely offers more narrative possibilities. The same is even more true for Mobius itself. It provides a clean slate, one that can be developed in any manner whatsoever.

 

It isn't as if the narrative is inherently weakened by Earth not being involved in some way. The Star Wars galaxy, one of the most developed fictional settings of all time, gets along just fine without it.

[LogiTeeka]

I kid, I kid. Anyway, I'm in the camp that Mobius shouldn't be tied to Earth at all. Trying to force a connection feels contrived regardless of the approach, and it doesn't add anything particularly meaningful from a world building standpoint. Having sentient, anthropomorphic analogues of Earth species isn't going to make sense anyway, so it's better to not dwell on it and let suspension of disbelief handle the rest.

 

I thought it added an interesting aspect to the overall premise. I mean, Mobian society is basically a prosperous utopian culture being threatened by Robotnik and his industrial corporate empire. Most people like to imagine the future like Mobius, all green and natural; while Robotnik's empire represents the greed and corruption of the past. It's basically new age vs. old age respectively.

 

And while an explanation isn't needed for everything (like tiny details that aren't important), the presence of sentient animals accompanying humans is gonna raise some questions. To fully understand the series, there needs to be some details to explain the scenario, but leave enough room for the viewer's imagination. For example, we don't need to know how Sonic is capable of running at high speeds, but we would like to know where he got it from (without too much detail).

[Hammer]

For example, we don't need to know how Sonic is capable of running at high speeds, but we would like to know where he got it from (without too much detail).

He was born that way. End of story

[TheRedStranger]

Good heros always have good origins. I would never wish to deprive Sonic of that honor of having a thematically relevant backstory. In EoT I promised some inquiring people awnsers, I hope that you guys like the ones I write.

[Captain Sorzo]

 

I kid, I kid. Anyway, I'm in the camp that Mobius shouldn't be tied to Earth at all. Trying to force a connection feels contrived regardless of the approach, and it doesn't add anything particularly meaningful from a world building standpoint. Having sentient, anthropomorphic analogues of Earth species isn't going to make sense anyway, so it's better to not dwell on it and let suspension of disbelief handle the rest.

 

I thought it added an interesting aspect to the overall premise. I mean, Mobian society is basically a prosperous utopian culture being threatened by Robotnik and his industrial corporate empire. Most people like to imagine the future like Mobius, all green and natural; while Robotnik's empire represents the greed and corruption of the past. It's basically new age vs. old age respectively.

 

Interesting that you put it that way, as my own conception is essentially the exact opposite. I see in Mobian society romantic fantasy. Castles, kings and princesses, wizards, all of it is often associated with a sort of mythic past, most notably Arthurian legend. Robotnik, by contrast, embodies modern industry, centered around efficiency at any cost. In struggling to overthrow Robotnik, the Freedom Fighters are in a sense attempting to validate the existence of romantic ideals in the face of today's cynical world.

 

Tolkien explores something similar in The Lord of the Rings, with Isengard embodying a more modern, industrialized world threatening to overtake a romantic fantasy world. SatAM just takes the concept much further, allowing Isengard to win, so to speak, and placing this conflict at the core of its narrative.

[Uncle Ben]

 

 

I swear Alex you're probably like DiNozzo from NCIS in real life

Never heard of him. What he's like?

 

PS: Hey, i'm currently at 988 post! A bit more and i'll reach my first thousand post! I need to get my confetti ready!

 

You don't get Confetti till your 2000th post.  1000 gives a pat on the back and the chance to throw Eggs at Ben.

 

 

1500 i give you tomatos and you can chuck them at Red

[ILOVEVHS]

I think it was the emeralds...

i kinda like the Sonic X thing where Mobius IS Earth and at the same time it ISNT, like it split apart after awhile

 
 Good observation Ben. There is always a third option in an "either/or" choice, you just gotta be clever enough to write it.
 
 How'd you pull that off?

 
I would have a meteor hit the planet containing the emeralds, the energy creates a carbon copy of Earth and sends it to a different demension/part of the galaxy. Earth could have the Sol Emeralds for example and Mobius the Chaos Emeralds

That sounds familiar. In a bad way.