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[Mike Arcade]

 

Nice man, geez I'm not getting a lot of answers here, I guess when I ask if Mobius was a Sally-less World I chased everyone off. Ehh I'll wait for one more response before I ask some more questions, But hey I'll call this now, ALL older questions are free reign just so as long as you say what the questions are.

 

 We must have Sally. There is no other option!

As for the Genisis Waves, I would probably never write something that far fetched. In a perfect world I would have preplanned to where I'd never have retcon anything anyways. And if I did it would be a time travel story. 

 

 

Jeez guys, lightweights much? But that's what I get for posting such a question in this forum, and NO I don't hate Sally, I like the character she's cool as hell. When I said I take all possibilities I MENT IT WITH NO MERCY ON ANYONE. Might as well answer the last 2 questions then.

 

Now for Question 2 that's a tricky one, I mean for one we have an Automaton Sally, I'd have it so that she would think that she IS the Real Sally and be shocked and devastated finding out the truth. You could do A LOT with that kind of plot, you could have this great sacrifice Auto Sally does and says her last words to Sonic, something like "I loved you as much as she did...". HOLY SHIT that would be mind blowing and so tragic! Now just because Sally died doesn't mean that she couldn't come back in some crazy way, but I think either way if a plot like that DID happen the comic would be more better after #50 then some of the stuff we got. Even if Sally DID die for good, she'd probably immortalized as one of the best characters ever or something, maybe that would have made Sega put her in as a main character in the games to balance things out or something. Bet you guys never though of that did ya! But hey, I love it that she's still around and I know ALL of you do too.

 

Question 3 I'll admit was sort of a trick question, because if any of you said that the first wave shouldn't have never worked or happened that congrads, you just killed Sally! So you guys win on that part alone, now as for what Wave I'd change, not sure if I'd change anything at all really. Yes we have the world going through a Soft Reset but is that really bad for the Universe of Archie Sonic? I know a couple of you are saying YES right now, the world was already a mess to begin with and was getting worse as the fabric of reality has been pretty weak lately in the comic, I theorize that had it not been for the Super Genesis Wave the end of the zones (and comic's main canon story) would have be near. Of course the comic would have been rebooted afterwards but you get what I mean right? Maybe it's just too soon to ask such a question for you guys with something that's so fresh in everyone's mind.

 

Alright here are 3 New Questions for you all, this time all about Foxes!

 

Question 1: How would you write Tails in Archie Sonic? What effects do you think these wars have on his mind?

Question 2: How would you write Fiona as both a good and bad guy? Now by write I don't mean write off the character, I want to see how you guys would transition Fiona from good to bad, and what she's thinking and feeling.

Question 3: What would happen if Tails knew about what happened to Fiona's past with Sonic? How would that go down with the little guy and what would he do?

 

I really like these questions so do you're best guys!

[RedAuthar]

Question 1: How would you write Tails in Archie Sonic? What effects do you think these wars have on his mind?

I wouldn't change the effect on his mind, because I think though he grew up mostly during Robotnik's rule and experiencing some harsh things as a kid, Sonic and the Fellow Freedom Fighters have done their best to keep his life relatively normal.

 

Though I do think he might have a few problems adjusting to normal life when all the parents and such come back.  I think he adjusted way to easy to his.

 

 

 

Question 2: How would you write Fiona as both a good and bad guy? Now by write I don't mean write off the character, I want to see how you guys would transition Fiona from good to bad, and what she's thinking and feeling.

 

I would portray Fiona actually as an Anti-Hero character.  Neither good nor bad, but siding with whatever team benefited her most at the moment.

 

My reasoning for that is based on her initial appearance back in the KtE comics where she had been working with Nik.  She's done a lot of harsh things to survive, and I think that would be her primary goal is to continue surviving.  

 

Question 3: What would happen if Tails knew about what happened to Fiona's past with Sonic? How would that go down with the little guy and what would he do?

If you've actually read the KtE issue about how Sonic "abandoned" her you actually notice Sonic never really met her.  Mighty did but not Sonic.  You honestly can't blame him.  

 

The retcon says Sonic left her behind but the actual issue doesn't support that. 

 

Honestly I think Tails would have accepted that Sonic tried his best and not hold it against him.  He's pretty mature for his age.  

[Mike Arcade]

You know what I'm adding something to Question 3, what would happen if Tails also found out about EVE's Genocidal Campaign in Space? Just wanted to add a little extra challenge here.

[Mike Arcade]

Hmm, I looked over the 3 issues where the Real Fiona first appeared again after all these years (used to own those issues), yeah I get what you guys mean, though to Fiona you must understand that she was in this prison for TWO years, with only the keeper robots keeping her alive, I mean other then digger her way out she didn't have much else to do other then think about why she wasn't saved by the people that were in the room, obviously that REALLY messed up her mind. Recent issues saying Sonic left her behind is either a retcon (unlikely) or Fiona's way of saying it, and while I can't really blame Sonic too much I can't blame Fiona either. Sonic and Mighty WERE under fire from a bunch of Swatbots, but it's not like Mighty's shell isn't reflective too, he could have used his shell to take out the Swatbots  with their own lasers, and Sonic could have had a window of opportunity to dash past them and save her before she got on the ship. Yes, Sonic didn't know her but he was in the same room as her and he should have obviously seen her trapped (I think he did but was more focused on Ray), if anything it looks like they forgot about her and were more concerned with Ray. If anything, I wonder why Fiona hasn't used Scourge and The Destructix yet to beat down Mighty and Ray yet (unless that's what they are gonna do in their next attack or something). Probably once she got out she heard about Sonic and recognized his description during her bounty hunter days, the supposedly "Great Hero of Mobius" that saves the day and fights Robotnik, leading her to ask herself "Why didn't he save ME then!?" in her damaged mind and blame him just as much as Mighty (or more so). But hey it's not like Sonic is so innocent either, he's barely tried to convince her (if not at all) to leave the Destructix and stop fighting on their side, hell it looks like he doesn't care because of how she hurt Tails. And while I understand that on some levels, it IS in a way his fault because not only did Tails get hurt and his heart broken once but twice, once from The Automaton and the 2nd time from The Real Deal. Not to mention he was only with her so that Tails can move on and we all know how well that ended up, which I'm sure if (or did she?) she knew about that it would be insult to injury. I blame Robotnik completely, but he's dead and Fiona needs to blame somebody, and I'm not saying it's ALL Sonic and Mighty's fault, but they could have done more. I mean they WERE kids at the time, which just makes this much more messed up.

That's how I see some of it, I can't argue on both sides for and against, I can only understand why. Not only that but we don't know what Scourge's relationship with Fiona was like before she turned heel, how they interacted with each other or what Scourge said to her, which may have played a factor in possibly blaming it more so on Sonic. I have my own view on it but as for EVE on the other hands and how she killed Billions, I don't know HOW Tails could know that but if he did what would that be like? I mean he WAS in the room when Sonic said that EVE should live out her life the way she wants to after all. You know what, that EVE thing is officially from me a BONUS QUESTION!

...wow, this post ended up longer then I though it would.

[RedAuthar]

You know what I'm adding something to Question 3, what would happen if Tails also found out about EVE's Genocidal Campaign in Space? Just wanted to add a little extra challenge here.

You do get a guilt trip there.  Because it was Tails and Sonic who let her go, I'm sure Tails would feel responsible for all those EVE eliminated. 

[TheRedStranger]

 

Question 1: How would you write Tails in Archie Sonic? What effects do you think these wars have on his mind?

I wouldn't change the effect on his mind, because I think though he grew up mostly during Robotnik's rule and experiencing some harsh things as a kid, Sonic and the Fellow Freedom Fighters have done their best to keep his life relatively normal.

 

Though I do think he might have a few problems adjusting to normal life when all the parents and such come back.  I think he adjusted way to easy to his.

 

 

 

Question 2: How would you write Fiona as both a good and bad guy? Now by write I don't mean write off the character, I want to see how you guys would transition Fiona from good to bad, and what she's thinking and feeling.

 

I would portray Fiona actually as an Anti-Hero character.  Neither good nor bad, but siding with whatever team benefited her most at the moment.

 

My reasoning for that is based on her initial appearance back in the KtE comics where she had been working with Nik.  She's done a lot of harsh things to survive, and I think that would be her primary goal is to continue surviving.  

 

Question 3: What would happen if Tails knew about what happened to Fiona's past with Sonic? How would that go down with the little guy and what would he do?

If you've actually read the KtE issue about how Sonic "abandoned" her you actually notice Sonic never really met her.  Mighty did but not Sonic.  You honestly can't blame him.  

 

The retcon says Sonic left her behind but the actual issue doesn't support that. 

 

Honestly I think Tails would have accepted that Sonic tried his best and not hold it against him.  He's pretty mature for his age.  

 

 

 What type of anti-hero would you make her out to be?

 

It's a big  list:http://tvtropes.org/...alysis/AntiHero

[TheRedStranger]

Humans and Station Square. How would you write them in?

[Uncle Ben]

Seperate landmass or across the land

[RedAuthar]

Humans and Station Square. How would you write them in?

Separate nation/country.

[TheRedStranger]

I'm with you guys. I think the Xorda Gene-Bomb backstory kinda runined the potential there.

 

Station Square seemed to far-fetched in the comic. The mass hologram stuff was ridiculous. I'd prefer, a less convoluted approach. 

[ILOVEVHS]

I WANNA ASK A QUESTION!!!!

How would you handle game adaptations, if you HAD to do them?

[TheRedStranger]

I WANNA ASK A QUESTION!!!!

How would you handle game adaptations, if you HAD to do them?

 

That's a good question.

 

 First, good communication with Sega! (Aka. Be as manipulative and passive agressive as possible to make them kow-tow to my superior vision - bribe them, black mail them, threaten their well being and loved ones via Roboticizor - anything to make sure SEGASonic slowly begins to rust and crumble at the foundations *Luaghs manically* ).

 

 Second, don't pull a Penders and tell to much of your world's backstory and even current world. Always leave an element of mystery, especially for the sake of tone. I would have prempted these requests. Leave marginal portions of the backstory open for these moments or  have the backstory written in the game to conincide with the comic in a certain way.  Always leave the oppurtunity to add to the story. Don't write yourself in the corner. Before you go to same place in plot, keep the future in mind (plan a way out before you commit to the plot points). Best to do this with outlining you arcs carefully. I do this at home with eraser board then write down a large timeline and outline with writers notes on what I can do with these indivual beats in the story. If I wanted to add some story material from Sega-Sonic, I'd already have a map to fit somethings in, almost like they were pre-divined issues ahead. 

 

As for present arcs. I'd  inject adaptaions in the current arcs through open niches in the story. If I'm lucky I could pull them off as twists, blending a current Archie Story Line with Sonic Adventure, or Colors, or what not. That way you feel like the two have been one all along.

 

 My evil plan would be to make Archie look like it's got the full, while SEGA only has half of the story. 

[RedAuthar]

I WANNA ASK A QUESTION!!!!

How would you handle game adaptations, if you HAD to do them?

Depends on how much free range I get. 

 

Mostly though I'd spend less time trying to convert things to match SEGA but try and convert things to match the comic. 

[Mike Arcade]

Oh so you're trying to take back the topic Stranger? The game is on! *falls over*

...shit that's a good question, I'll answer my own recent questions next post.

 

How would I handle Humans and Station Square? Not too sure, I mean I like the concept of Mobius being Earth thousands of years from now due to some war, BUT I also like how STC did it and had Mobius in another galaxy (far, far away). For the Archie Comic, I would have had it so that there were about 100k or so Humans leaving in Space Ships from the war torn Earth (Xorda or not) and then after thousands of years later before The Acorn Kingdom formed a few colony ships find Mobius, crash land on the planet knocking all of their communications out and stranding them on Mobius. Perhaps that the human race out there find a Planet FAR from the Solar System and one way or another lose records of the location of Earth. So the humans, using the ruins from their ships, begin to build and to settle on the planet, all the while trying to contact home (irony) but cannot. Naturally I'm sure several of them wouldn't like the local Mobians due to Xenophobia and some Mobians don't like them for the same reason. What delicious irony, anyway the name Overlanders are actually what Mobians call the Human Race originally, and (tell me if this sounds familiar) a group of them eventually adopt that name and go to war with several groups of Mobians for several reasons. Thus we have Humans, The "Overlanders", and Mobians. Station Square is the location where the crash site was, so they built a city on that spot.

Not only does it knock out being hidden in a mountain for god knows how long, but it also makes much more sense while at the same time giving LOADS of Irony in the mix, perhaps they found their old home because it was their fate to return home? Who knows. I do like the Xorda War thing, too bad we really didn't get to know them or have them hinted it at like The Drakon Empire from STC, they knew how to handle aliens VERY well in that book. In Archie Sonic it's about hit or miss.

[TheRedStranger]

Oh so you're trying to take back the topic Stranger? The game is on! *falls over*

...shit that's a good question, I'll answer my own recent questions next post.

 

How would I handle Humans and Station Square? Not too sure, I mean I like the concept of Mobius being Earth thousands of years from now due to some war, BUT I also like how STC did it and had Mobius in another galaxy (far, far away). For the Archie Comic, I would have had it so that there were about 100k or so Humans leaving in Space Ships from the war torn Earth (Xorda or not) and then after thousands of years later before The Acorn Kingdom formed a few colony ships find Mobius, crash land on the planet knocking all of their communications out and stranding them on Mobius. Perhaps that the human race out there find a Planet FAR from the Solar System and one way or another lose records of the location of Earth. So the humans, using the ruins from their ships, begin to build and to settle on the planet, all the while trying to contact home (irony) but cannot. Naturally I'm sure several of them wouldn't like the local Mobians due to Xenophobia and some Mobians don't like them for the same reason. What delicious irony, anyway the name Overlanders are actually what Mobians call the Human Race originally, and (tell me if this sounds familiar) a group of them eventually adopt that name and go to war with several groups of Mobians for several reasons. Thus we have Humans, The "Overlanders", and Mobians. Station Square is the location where the crash site was, so they built a city on that spot.

Not only does it knock out being hidden in a mountain for god knows how long, but it also makes much more sense while at the same time giving LOADS of Irony in the mix, perhaps they found their old home because it was their fate to return home? Who knows. I do like the Xorda War thing, too bad we really didn't get to know them or have them hinted it at like The Drakon Empire from STC, they knew how to handle aliens VERY well in that book. In Archie Sonic it's about hit or miss.

 

 

 I guess this brings us to another broader question. 

 

You have been tasked with rewriting the whole origin of Mobius. What do you do? Go.

[LogiTeeka]

You have been tasked with rewriting the whole origin of Mobius. What do you do? Go.

 

Honestly, I like the idea of Mobius being a future Earth because it makes the most sense. I mean, how could sentient Earthling animals evolve on another planet? Sure, some Mobians look nothing like their real-life counterparts (hedgehogs and echidnas mostly), but they're still referred to as "hedgehogs" and "echidnas". When evolution is involved, who knows what your future descendants may resemble? Or what incredible skills they'll develop?

 

But back on the question. What I would've done was connect the Chaos Emeralds with the origin of Mobius.

 

Like maybe, a massive meteor collided with a modern-day Earth, shattering itself upon impact and leaving most of the world a barren, lifeless wasteland. Only a handful of creatures (both human and animal) survived the wipeout. While most of the meteor was obliterated, a large gemstone of awesome power was left intact. It radiated a wave of energy across the planet, which sped up the re-evolution of life. As the surviving wildlife began to repopulate Mobius, the Echidnas (the first well-developed Mobians at the time) discovered the location of the Master Emerald. At the site, they found many small, child-like aliens (later called Chao) and noticed a living being inside of the emerald which would later be known as “Chaos”. The Echidnas saw Chaos as a god and their culture prospered with many shrines and cities around the area. However, the Echidnas eventually became power hungry and reckless. Upon deciding who deserved to keep the territory surrounding the Master Emerald, the many clans declared war with one another.

 

You can probably guess where this is heading.

[Uncle Ben]

Makes sense

[TheRedStranger]

I can't reveal my theroies yet...because they're spoilers for EoT. Let's just say it radically it's different and epic ontology. 

[RedAuthar]

You have been tasked with rewriting the whole origin of Mobius. What do you do? Go.

I'm in the opposite boat of LogiTeeka.  I think establishing Mobius as Future Earth takes away from the story.  If Mobius is Future Earth, than Mobius is Limited to Earth Physics/Sciences/etc.  If Mobius is it's own world, Mobius is free to have things that wouldn't work on Earth work, without resorting to it being "Because of the Chaos Emeralds" or "Because of the Master Emerald" or the like.

 

Also rather than think of it as either A future Earth or just another planet, think of it just as somewhere else.  Example the World you Explore in Final Fantasy IX has no relation to Earth.  It's not the past, it's not another planet, it's not the future.  It is just there.  I think that's how Mobius should be.  It's not future Earth, not past Earth, it's not just another planet, it's just a different World that has some things the same some things not so much.  

[Uncle Ben]

i kinda like the Sonic X thing where Mobius IS Earth and at the same time it ISNT, like it split apart after awhile