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[Mike Arcade]

Thanks ILOVEVHS, I feel that my theory is really the only way to explain the Source, also it's said that the 4th King Acorn was the first to discover it. The Acorns DID have a natural ability to lead and unify people all under one common goal (look at Sally and Elias for example), but it's clear to me that the Source MUST have taken control of the lineage in subtle ways. Not COMPLETE mind control (most of the time), but enough influence to effect the bloodline (which it did as it told the princes who they should marry). What the Acorn Kingdom would have been had the Source not influence the royal family (or even if it would have lasted as long) is unknown but the damage has been done. Maybe King Max would have been sharper and had a much better judge of character, hell look at the guy now! Without the Source now, Max is an ailing shell of his former self. Granted Naugus and The Void messed with him A LOT but the Source did no better.
 

I give Bollers (justly) a LOT of shit in the comic (and his plans for it) but the only thing I liked from what he had planned was this Source Story Arc with it trying to take control of Sally and then taking over Antoine, making him a bad guy for awhile, that actually would have been interesting to see. Although if it were me personally, I would have the "Source" pick someone that can use Chaos Energy as it looks like it gained strength from it and that it might be it's intention to absorb energy to return into whatever it's original form is. Someone that is inexperienced, someone that it can subtly teach and mold into a weapon of it's will, that could be easily corruptible under the right circumstances. A certain younger member of the Freedom Fighters perhaps? Hehehe...well, that's what I would do...  

 

[Uncle Ben]

Most of the time i see people calling her a Mary Sue either dont like her and use that excuse or does not know what the real deffinition of MarySue is

[TheRedStranger]

" Love of this     is inversly proportional to the sensible appraisal of this  , because of this   (especially in the case of teenaged, Sonic-X fangirls)." -

 

 

 

The First Law of Sonsal.

 

I think I might've indirectly unvieled some of my personal biases....

[TheRedStranger]

Eggman and Robotnik. Ready? Go.

[RedAuthar]

 

Eggman and Robotnik. Ready? Go.

 

What about them?

 

As far as a villain Dr. Robotnik has him beat hands down. Eggman is nothing more that a crazy fat guy, and he's not even close to Joker crazy; if he was that would be another story. Robotnik is a purely evil psychopath megalomaniac that is a genius to boot.

 

Depends if you mean SatAM Robotnik or AoStH Robotnik

 

My thing was always the name Julian.  Where did it come from?  In the games, even the early games his name was Ivo Robotnik.  Where'd Julian Come from? 

[ILOVEVHS]

Eggman and Robotnik. Ready? Go.

 
What about them?
 
As far as a villain Dr. Robotnik has him beat hands down. Eggman is nothing more that a crazy fat guy, and he's not even close to Joker crazy; if he was that would be another story. Robotnik is a purely evil psychopath megalomaniac that is a genius to boot.

Depends if you mean SatAM Robotnik or AoStH Robotnik
 
My thing was always the name Julian.  Where did it come from?  In the games, even the early games his name was Ivo Robotnik.  Where'd Julian Come from?

 
I refuse to acknowledge AoStH's Robotnik's existence. 
 
Julian has kind of has a European, even metro-sexual sound to it. Who would expect a Julian to overthrow you?

SNOO-PINGAS USUAL I SEE!

[RedAuthar]

 

 

 

Eggman and Robotnik. Ready? Go.

 

What about them?

 

As far as a villain Dr. Robotnik has him beat hands down. Eggman is nothing more that a crazy fat guy, and he's not even close to Joker crazy; if he was that would be another story. Robotnik is a purely evil psychopath megalomaniac that is a genius to boot.

 

Depends if you mean SatAM Robotnik or AoStH Robotnik

 

My thing was always the name Julian.  Where did it come from?  In the games, even the early games his name was Ivo Robotnik.  Where'd Julian Come from? 

 

 

I refuse to acknowledge AoStH's Robotnik's existence. 

 

Julian has kind of has a European, even metro-sexual sound to it. Who would expect a Julian to overthrow you?

 

Fair enough.

 

Julian was the dumb kid in my third grade class who always asked the stupid questions to be funny.  

[Mike Arcade]

Eggman and Robotnik, that's pretty vague but okay then.

They ARE the same character, but each continuity shows him in a different way, AoSTH Robotnik is a joke for example. He is literally a man child that can build stuff and how that is even possible giving his insanity and spoiled brat personality is a mystery, why people fear him in the show is beyond me. SatAM Robotnik on the other hand is a pure genius (with still a level of insanity) that is a force to be reckoned with, he's possibly the cruelest and sadistic incarnation around (with Archie Eggman and STC Robotnik just about as cruel as him but to what extent is unknown) that literally TOOK OVER THE WORLD. However his arrogance and refusal to acknowledge his own mistakes proved to be his own downfall. Archie Robotnik is just about the same way, but his level of cruelty is not known (maybe a little less, I dunno) and they are just about on the same level when the comic started to have more plot. Underground Robotnik is similar to his SatAM on Archie carnation but I think he is A LITTLE BIT saner then the others, as he rules society with fear and most of the world turned into robot, with only those that except his rule who are free and rich, with everyone else fending for themselves. But if the show continued I'm sure he would have been sick with people and go nearly to SatAM's level. STC's Robotnik was naturally a cool guy until the accident happened, once Kintobor was lost this version of Robotnik formed. There is no way around it, STC Robotnik is INSANE, he is without a doubt the craziest incarnation in the series. He's a genius that is naturally evil thanks to the emeralds, who once had enough time to think concluded that he should rule the world and shove the populous into machines. Now Eggman in the games is a little of everything, a little bit crazy, childish, cruel, he's whatever he needs to be in order to get what he wants and will do almost anything to achieve his goals. He also is more arrogant then other counterparts as he tries to take control of beings that have immense power but always betray him in the end, the fact he keeps doing this and doesn't really learn from it shows a touch of insanity and stubbornness. In Sonic X he's just about the same but is a little bit lighter then other incarnations, his childishness shows more in the show and comic adaption. Archie Eggman I will say has to have the most balance out of all the Robotniks, he's cruel, a bit childish, insane, he's nearly all of them rolled into one, taking all the cues from his games, SatAM/Archie, and a pinch of his STC incarnations. My favorite incarnations have to be Archie Eggman, SatAM Robotnik (Archie Robotnik), STC Robotnik, and the Games Eggman in no particular order.
 

So between Robotnik and Eggman, I don't really have a preference. Even if you were to ask me what name I like better I can't give you a straight answer, maybe a year or 2 back I would have said Robotnik but now I call him by both names now evenly, I rarely called him Eggman back then because I was so used to calling him Robotnik, now it's balanced out.

[ILOVEVHS]

Eggman and Robotnik. Ready? Go.

 
What about them?
 
As far as a villain Dr. Robotnik has him beat hands down. Eggman is nothing more that a crazy fat guy, and he's not even close to Joker crazy; if he was that would be another story. Robotnik is a purely evil psychopath megalomaniac that is a genius to boot.

Depends if you mean SatAM Robotnik or AoStH Robotnik
 
My thing was always the name Julian.  Where did it come from?  In the games, even the early games his name was Ivo Robotnik.  Where'd Julian Come from?

 
I refuse to acknowledge AoStH's Robotnik's existence. 
 
Julian has kind of has a European, even metro-sexual sound to it. Who would expect a Julian to overthrow you?

Fair enough.
 
Julian was the dumb kid in my third grade class who always asked the stupid questions to be funny.

Great, now I'm imagining Eggman as a lemur.

[Uncle Ben]

Eggman and Robotnik. Ready? Go.

 

SatAM Robotnik.

 

Seriously he was actually a terrifying villain

[Vampfox]

 

Fourth: Make Fiona a good girl again, she's a terrible villain. Also have Scrouge act better. He's a whiney brat. Sounds like my little cousin

 

Sorry but good Fiona was a boring character and was really nothing more then a replacement Sally.

[Mike Arcade]

Okay, now it's MY TURN...AND I'M NOT ALO...wait...what I meant to say was now I have a questions for you guys, I mean I've filled a lot of you in on how I would do the Archie Comic, now I want to give YOU some questions on how you would have done things differently! Namely 3 so get ready.

 

Question 1. How would you have written the first issue of Sonic The Hedgehog? Would it be comical as the older issues and mini series was, or would you have pushed for something more like SatAM as later issues did, why, and what effect do you think this would bring to all future issues.
 

Question 2: If you could remove one thing from the comic what would it be? It could be a character, location, story arc, but don't say something like "X should have been removed because it sucks", nothing like that, if you do remove something what effect do you think this would have on the comic?
 

Question 3: How would you have adapted the games into the comics? It's as simple as that.
 

and now currently my Last Question, How would you have ended the Archie Comic? I mean I like the series but what kind of ending would you put in to send it off? That doesn't mean we wouldn't get a new Sonic comic from Archie or anything, I mean how would you have ended it in what issue and moment of time.

Maybe I'll answer those later but I want you're thoughts on it, besides I need a break here.  

 

 

 

[RedAuthar]

 

 

Fourth: Make Fiona a good girl again, she's a terrible villain. Also have Scrouge act better. He's a whiney brat. Sounds like my little cousin

 

Sorry but good Fiona was a boring character and was really nothing more then a replacement Sally.

 

Fiona was 'okay'.  She makes a lousy villain but she wasn't really any better as a hero.  She seems too forced.  

 

She was better as a Robot that Tails crushed on.

 

Honestly she does have her good points and she isn't personalityless she just always seemed forced into the story rather than should be there. 

 

 

Question 2: If you could remove one thing from the comic what would it be? It could be a character, location, story arc, but don't say something like "X should have been removed because it sucks", nothing like that, if you do remove something what effect do you think this would have on the comic?

The Dark Egg Legion.  I mean in all honestly I don't mind Eggman having Mobians Working for him, however I don't like that every single badguy in the comic is somehow connected to Eggman.  It makes the adventure feel too two sided.  Either good or bad.  

 

Just cuz Harvey Dent can do it, doesn't mean anyone else should. 

[TheRedStranger]

 

Okay, now it's MY TURN...AND I'M NOT ALO...wait...what I meant to say was now I have a questions for you guys, I mean I've filled a lot of you in on how I would do the Archie Comic, now I want to give YOU some questions on how you would have done things differently! Namely 3 so get ready.

 

Question 1. How would you have written the first issue of Sonic The Hedgehog? Would it be comical as the older issues and mini series was, or would you have pushed for something more like SatAM as later issues did, why, and what effect do you think this would bring to all future issues.
 

Question 2: If you could remove one thing from the comic what would it be? It could be a character, location, story arc, but don't say something like "X should have been removed because it sucks", nothing like that, if you do remove something what effect do you think this would have on the comic?
 

Question 3: How would you have adapted the games into the comics? It's as simple as that.
 

and now currently my Last Question, How would you have ended the Archie Comic? I mean I like the series but what kind of ending would you put in to send it off? That doesn't mean we wouldn't get a new Sonic comic from Archie or anything, I mean how would you have ended it in what issue and moment of time.

Maybe I'll answer those later but I want you're thoughts on it, besides I need a break here.  

 

 

#1: I would've made it more like SatAM, but actually start at the point when The Freedom Fighters would've started their struggle against Robotnik; i.e. Sonic's first mission.

 

#2: That's a difficult question; there's a lot that I would like to see go. However I would say Eggman; others can argue, but he is not equal to Robotnik; I'd rather have him as the main villain.

 

#3: I wouldn't. I would rather give them a separate comic.

 

#4: With Sonic and Sally's wedding in a future issue (Say issue 275-350). After that you could start a new one that takes place in the future; kind of like a "Mobius 5-10 Years Later."

 

 

If I'd started it during the time of DIC and Archie doing both the projects I would some how concatinate them and advertise between them to pull in the growing fan-base further into the franchise.

[Uncle Ben]

Okay, now it's MY TURN...AND I'M NOT ALO...wait...what I meant to say was now I have a questions for you guys, I mean I've filled a lot of you in on how I would do the Archie Comic, now I want to give YOU some questions on how you would have done things differently! Namely 3 so get ready.

 

Question 1. How would you have written the first issue of Sonic The Hedgehog? Would it be comical as the older issues and mini series was, or would you have pushed for something more like SatAM as later issues did, why, and what effect do you think this would bring to all future issues.
 

Question 2: If you could remove one thing from the comic what would it be? It could be a character, location, story arc, but don't say something like "X should have been removed because it sucks", nothing like that, if you do remove something what effect do you think this would have on the comic?
 

Question 3: How would you have adapted the games into the comics? It's as simple as that.
 

and now currently my Last Question, How would you have ended the Archie Comic? I mean I like the series but what kind of ending would you put in to send it off? That doesn't mean we wouldn't get a new Sonic comic from Archie or anything, I mean how would you have ended it in what issue and moment of time.

Maybe I'll answer those later but I want you're thoughts on it, besides I need a break here.  

 

 

 

1) A mix of both. Comical points but overall a dark tone to it. Theres a way to mix both and get it right.

2) Tough call. I would think either Fiona or Khan. Fiona cause she has been a terrible hero and villain and shes just seems either misused or just being thrown around alot. Khan well i dont like how he acts like prince charming when sally is near (in a future part of my fan fic he makes an untimely demise)

3) Depends on the game. Unleashed could have been everryone taking an emerald and restoring the continents, Colors they discover the amusement park etc. but they wouldnt be major components and such

4) A milestone issue (like 300) with Eggman defeated once and for all, Sonic proposing to Sally (and the wedding soon afterwards), and everyone working together to rebuild a peaceful Mobius. Then continue like if Eggman escaped from prison and such

[LogiTeeka]

Question 1. How would you have written the first issue of Sonic The Hedgehog? Would it be comical as the older issues and mini series was, or would you have pushed for something more like SatAM as later issues did, why, and what effect do you think this would bring to all future issues.

 

I would've established the setup for the first game:

 

Sonic was raised on South Island by his Uncle Chuck, who ran a chilidog resturant in Emerald Town (Sonic was his delivery boy). One day, while Sonic is away, Dr. Robotnik (a.k.a. Dr. Eggman) invades the town with his army of Swatbots (the OVA kind) and begins terraforming it into a new factory district, roboticizing the townsfolk. Sonic, after rescuing a group of Freedom Fighters from Snively's excavation to find the local Chaos emerald, returns to find his hometown in ruins and his Uncle Chuck roboticized. After a brief scuffle with Robotnik, Sonic reluctantly joins the Freedom Fighters in attempt to save his the island and its inhabitants from certain doom.

 

The fallowing issues would take place in various zones from both "Sonic 1" on the Genesis and Game Gear, featuring plots inspired/adapted from various Sonic media (e.g. SatAM, Fleetway, Archie miniseries, early manga). This serves to further develop the story and introduce the characters.

 

Question 2: If you could remove one thing from the comic what would it be? It could be a character, location, story arc, but don't say something like "X should have been removed because it sucks", nothing like that, if you do remove something what effect do you think this would have on the comic?

 

Probably most of Penders' characters. I find most of them unmemorable and sorta lazy (that, and copyright issues). Instead, I simply replace them with other characters that could easily fill their roles. For example: Julie-Su Tikal (a female companion for Knuckles), Geoffrey St. John Ari the Ram (a harsh leader with a strong urge for justice), ect.

 

Other characters would probably be Nate Morgan, Warlord Kodos, and the Ancient Walkers. These characters were both uninteresting and pointless. Nate was bland as a character and his role could've easily been replaced with Uncle Chuck or Rotor, Kodos stole Robotnik's credit of villainy and was forgettable, and the Ancient Walkers... I could never get myself to understand them. What was the point?

 

Question 3: How would you have adapted the games into the comics? It's as simple as that.

 

With earlier games, I'd analyze the story and try and make it into an interesting story. The classic games would be easy to adapt since they hardly have any story, while the Dreamcast era (SA1-Heroes + Advance/Battle) will have slightly loose adaptions since they involve more story. The more recent games (except for the Rush, Rivals, and storybook series) have little story as it is, so they would't have much importance (except maybe "Unleashed" in some aspects).

 

With games that are universally hated, I would ignore them. However, they do have their potential in some areas. For example, I would have certain events in "Shadow the Hedgehog" (Black Doom's invasion, Gerald and Maria's expanded backstory, Abraham Tower's obsession, ect.) take place during SA2's story. And replace 06 with "Sonic Rush" and "Rivals" respectively, with Mephiles + Iblis = Solaris replacing the Ifrit.

 

With upcoming games, I'm with Prince ByTor on this one. Having a game adaption interrupt the story can be irritating for a lot of readers. It's much easier to print it on a separate comic.

 

And now currently my Last Question, How would you have ended the Archie Comic? I mean I like the series but what kind of ending would you put in to send it off? That doesn't mean we wouldn't get a new Sonic comic from Archie or anything, I mean how would you have ended it in what issue and moment of time.

 

That's a tough question.

 

In my opinion, I'd rather leave the characters' futures vague and in mystery. Showing the future ruins any surprises that may be thrown the readers' way. For example, if Sonic and Sally are shown to be married in the future, any interesting plots currently involving them finding potential lovers wouldn't work 'cause we already know what's gonna happen. Characters like Silver work better because they're from the distant future, where the current characters are long gone.

 

Anything involving the future will remain a mystery, even when it makes itself known. For example, Sonic and Sally's future children travel to the past to stop a threat from happening in their time, only to run into Sonic and Amy's future children as well as Sonic and Mina's. That way, any one of them could be a possible future.

[LaserX5]

My problem with them is that they were trying to appeal to two completely different depictions of the series and not really doing their own take at it. For something meant to tie in with the SatAM series, it didn't do either; even after the series was canceled.

 

They were probably better off doing their own thing.

 

They would have. Having a comic and Tv series that did the Freedom Fighters differently was a really stupid idea now that I really look back on it.

 

It should have been a completely different cast with Sonic, just like Fleetway did in a sense.

 

Although the irony is, had it done that, the comic probably wouldn't have lasted nearly as long. I really believe one reason the comic is still running to this day is because it has the iconic Satam cast in it.

[Mike Arcade]

Well, I want to keep the answers coming, so keep it up guys! I'm enjoying the answers I've seen so far.

 

I see that most of you guys love to have more of a SatAM Comic then how the Archie Comic handled it in the beginning (which really wasn't a surprise), fair enough as I could pretty much do without most of the earlier issues, they aren't really BAD or anything, but it was more along the line of how Archie Comics usually handled stuff as they were more known for their comical comics at the time. I really like Ben and Logi's answers, good answers there, I would have liked to read Logi's comic.

 

Really interesting to hear about what you guys would have removed, I can understand Logi's choice on removing the Penders Characters but I mean if they CAN use them then I would, maybe I wouldn't use ALL of them as most of them are footnote characters that just fill in the timeline and history. I'll say this, those characters were handled well back in the day, but are much better handled when other people write for them. I am entirely convinced that Penders CANNOT write woman to save his life. While I would disagree with some removals, there is one I do completely agree with though and you guys gave some pretty good reasons why you would want to remove so and so, but Red gets bonus points for not removing a character but rather an affiliation. I was curious if any of you would remove a continent, an island, or even an entire zone.

I understand why you guys would separate game stories from the comic as it's own comic, it DID get messy during the SA1 Story Line, other then that the older ones were handled pretty well enough, some pretty damn good to others being okay. Most of you are right though when it comes to some games being more easier to make adaptions for then others in the Archie Comic. If it's like a recent game or something that's coming out I would have it so that they would have time to adapt it into the comic, say like having an in-universe adaption after the game has been out for a few months or so. STC didn't adapt SA1 until 2000 after all and as different as it was it's AWESOME. But in recent times with "Another Time, Another Place" the promo comics for the games are pretty damn cool, with each promo comic getting better and better (Sonic 4 EP2's being my favorite Promo Comic so far). I do miss the days where you see story arcs based off of the games though, funny thing Ian DOES want to make a legit Black Arms Invasion Arc, but is waiting for Sega's permission, looking forward to it whenever that happens.
 

I knew that last question wasn't going to be easy, but I gotta throw a curveball to you guys to make sure you stay sharp! I kinda expected "Eggman Defeated Once and For All!" as that does make sense (though it's too obvious), but I was pretty surprised on the ending being Sonic and Sally getting married at the end. Now I'm not against marriage, but that seems way too cliché to me. I mean I GET IT but it doesn't make that much sense for me when it comes to the characters, Sonic because he doesn't seem like the type to marry and Sally would probably want to wait awhile for that and take things slow. Now of all the incarnations I could BUY IT that SatAM and Archie Sonic would propose to someone they love but not THAT young. I mean with Antoine and Bunnie it makes sense because they are both for romantics but Sonic and Sal, not that much (well, mostly Sonic). If the characters are around their mid-20's or early-30's then yeah I can get that. I do like their futures being a mystery though at the end of the comic, as anything can happen after all.

 

Keep it going guys, after a few more posts and answers I'll give out my own answers to these questions myself.

[DCC]

Answering the last question(I'll have to remember to answer the other ones later), I would end the comic with Robotnic being defeated for good( I am one who has to see the villain defeated). Another vote for Sonic and Sally getting married, I know it is cliche but it seems so right, they just work well together. I would drag out the story over some years, so Sonic and Sally's relationship will flow better and it would make more sense for them to get married when they do.

[Vampfox]

Personally for me I would have tried to keep Eggman a serious villain. I remember when Eggman first became the main villain in the comic back when he was Robo-Robotnik in issue 75. He was a big threat back then. He killed his world's version of Sonic. He was more twisted then Julian. Sadly that did not last once he was deroboticized by the Bem.