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@  furrykef : (25 July 2015 - 03:35 AM)

When was that? Depending on when it was, it might have been a DNS issue. Those should be gone now.

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 10:10 PM)

on*

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 10:10 PM)

Red said he couldnt get one

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 11:25 AM)

Also I still have to figure out how to set up our e-mail accounts on the new host.

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 08:19 AM)

As soon as I figure out how to restore it. Sorry, I know I said it'd be done by now, but I didn't expect to have to put up with this DNS crap and other issues that popped up.

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

So when's the black theme coming back??

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

"Should"

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 07:27 AM)

That DNS took longer to propagate properly than I thought it would. *Now* we should be back for good, though.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:48 PM)

Or it might be because Bluehost *finally* got around to that server wipe (one week after we'd asked for it) and that wiped out our DNS settings. I'm not sure which and I don't really care. In any case, we've severed our last ties with Bluehost, so this will not happen again.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:08 PM)

Looks like Bluehost yanked our DNS since our hosting account expired. That's why the site went down a while ago. But as you can see, it's fixed now.

@  Misk : (23 July 2015 - 04:55 PM)

No, they do not.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 04:27 AM)

The goggles do nothing?

@  Misk : (22 July 2015 - 05:50 PM)

My eyes.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 12:24 PM)

Looks like forum uploads might have been broken since last night. That should be fixed now too.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 01:33 AM)

Heh, whoops! Server went down for a few mins when I borked the config. Looks like it's back up now.

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 09:09 PM)

It looked like a napkin

@  ILOVEVHS : (21 July 2015 - 09:04 PM)

Fan-fuckin-tastic.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:25 PM)

As for the beaver picture while the forum was down, I think Tim drew it. On a napkin.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:24 PM)

No kiddin' about that "Finally!", Shadow. I am *so mad* at Bluehost for never responding to our support ticket. I submitted it early Friday morning and they *still* haven't answered it!

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 06:37 PM)

Maybe he did that himself


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Posted 31 August 2013 - 11:52 AM

 

Better question is... How can you call yourself the Freedom Fighters while trying to restore an absolute monarchy? I mean Max had the power to disband a whole military, no strong, democratic parliment would ever allow this.

 

Cause the people looked happy in Blast to the Past. There was no problems with the way Max ran the country by the looks of it. If they want to restore it to the way it was then he was doing something right

 

 

 But he was wrong. His policies failed hard, and his naive trust of a guy with glowing red eyes got thousands of men, women, and children enslaved inside roboticized bodies while still fully aware of their slavery (I will let you ponder the horrors of being trapped inside you own body, having no choice over your actions and being numb to most sensation). Sounds like it was more a hollow mirth than a true happiness in that kingdom (kinda like those creepy North Korea documentaries, they sure do act happy...a bit too hard). Maybe my American is showing...but I tend to look at situations like this with a skeptical mind. Too much smiles in a monarchial kingdom and this starts playing in the back of my head:  http://www.youtube.c...h?v=qdB1SzfpngQ. And then I start looking for a plug.

 

  

 

 Come on Ben! You're American, it's in your blood to despise thrones, kings, and crowns. Now let's got to Mobius's version of Boston and trash some trade ships. We don't need their stinking tea, we've got shotguns and Kentucky burbon! AMURICA!

 

In all seriousness though if the Freedom Fighters win I still think there isn't going to be a happyily-ever after to all this. There is the potential for a whole new story that can focus on a forever changed Mobius. The dynasty has been proven fallable and inept. If the issues haven't come up it starts now. Freedom is a word that rings heavy in the air, even Sally doesn't like to be called Princess. This is the perfect powder-keg on which to luanch a republic revolution.  Much like India after their suffering in World-War Two and how they refused to kow-tow  back to England after all they had done for the allies, I can see Mobians wanting a form of goverment that would not allow this to ever happen again.



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Posted 31 August 2013 - 12:14 PM

 

 

Better question is... How can you call yourself the Freedom Fighters while trying to restore an absolute monarchy? I mean Max had the power to disband a whole military, no strong, democratic parliment would ever allow this.

 

Cause the people looked happy in Blast to the Past. There was no problems with the way Max ran the country by the looks of it. If they want to restore it to the way it was then he was doing something right

 

 

 But he was wrong. His policies failed hard, and his naive trust of a guy with glowing red eyes got thousands of men, women, and children enslaved inside roboticized bodies while still fully aware of their slavery (I will let you ponder the horrors of being trapped inside you own body, having no choice over your actions and being numb to most sensation). Sounds like it was more a hollow mirth than a true happiness in that kingdom (kinda like those creepy North Korea documentaries, they sure do act happy...a bit too hard). Maybe my American is showing...but I tend to look at situations like this with a skeptical mind. Too much smiles in a monarchial kingdom and this starts playing in the back of my head:  http://www.youtube.c...h?v=qdB1SzfpngQ. And then I start looking for a plug.

 

  

 

 Come on Ben! You're American, it's in your blood to despise thrones, kings, and crowns. Now let's got to Mobius's version of Boston and trash some trade ships. We don't need their stinking tea, we've got shotguns and Kentucky burbon! AMURICA!

 

In all seriousness though if the Freedom Fighters win I still think there isn't going to be a happyily-ever after to all this. There is the potential for a whole new story that can focus on a forever changed Mobius. The dynasty has been proven fallable and inept. If the issues haven't come up it starts now. Freedom is a word that rings heavy in the air, even Sally doesn't like to be called Princess. This is the perfect powder-keg on which to luanch a republic revolution.  Much like India after their suffering in World-War Two and how they refused to kow-tow  back to England after all they had done for the allies, I can see Mobians wanting a form of goverment that would not allow this to ever happen again.

 

 

Well the way i see it was Robotnik played everyone. He decieved everyone hiding his true intentions. The King was naive and put too much trust

 

And yes i would do the tea party  if i was there back then(though ill admit the U.K.'s system is fairing better than us right now)


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Posted 31 August 2013 - 12:23 PM

Never judge someone by his appearance. I think this is what Max did toward Julian.


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Posted 31 August 2013 - 02:28 PM

Never judge someone by his appearance. I think this is what Max did toward Julian.

 

 There is indeed always more to people than meets their crimson eyes (but usually in a cartoon, which uses physiogamy to illustrate the character, you can bet their not so chipper if all dress like a warlord and have eyes the color of blood).

 

Max indeed looked at Julian with naive eyes.  Action's and their motivations can be illusive to the shortsighted. The true judge character seeks out one's true intentions, and that takes some healthy skepticism.



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Posted 31 August 2013 - 03:17 PM

Mon espagnol fait vraiment pitié, donc je ne peux pas vraiment m'avancer sur le sujet. Mais je dirais que oui, il semble avoir effectivement de nombreuses similarité entre les deux langue.

In fact, what I was saying was that I wanted you to correct me if my take at the sentence in French was wrong. Mais oui, après cinq ans de cours de français, j'ai vu beaucoup de similarités.

Better question is... How can you call yourself the Freedom Fighters while trying to restore an absolute monarchy? I mean Max had the power to disband a whole military, no strong, democratic parliment would ever allow this.

Because in cartoon worlds, politics are a lot simpler. If you have a tyrant ruling over the world, it's safer to go back, maybe temporarily, to the previous absolute monarchy if that means deposing the dictator. With Robotnik roboticizing people, it's not the best moment to start thinking about the Republic of Mobius: that can come later.

 

But now, if you want to think deeply about it, you can easily imagine a Parliament-Monarchy system, where the King has the power to make decisions if there is an emergency or the Parliament isn't able to conclude what to do.



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Posted 31 August 2013 - 04:13 PM

 

Mon espagnol fait vraiment pitié, donc je ne peux pas vraiment m'avancer sur le sujet. Mais je dirais que oui, il semble avoir effectivement de nombreuses similarité entre les deux langue.

In fact, what I was saying was that I wanted you to correct me if my take at the sentence in French was wrong. Mais oui, après cinq ans de cours de français, j'ai vu beaucoup de similarités.

Better question is... How can you call yourself the Freedom Fighters while trying to restore an absolute monarchy? I mean Max had the power to disband a whole military, no strong, democratic parliment would ever allow this.

Because in cartoon worlds, politics are a lot simpler. If you have a tyrant ruling over the world, it's safer to go back, maybe temporarily, to the previous absolute monarchy if that means deposing the dictator. With Robotnik roboticizing people, it's not the best moment to start thinking about the Republic of Mobius: that can come later.

 

But now, if you want to think deeply about it, you can easily imagine a Parliament-Monarchy system, where the King has the power to make decisions if there is an emergency or the Parliament isn't able to conclude what to do.

 

 

I think Sally would get the backing of most pro-constitutionals. I would rather have a queen Sally than a King Max. 

 

 We should also remember that Menshiviks tried to bring gradual reform unlike the Bolshivks...and then Red October Happend. Either way I see a ripping awesome story boiling up even after the defeat of Snivly and/or Robotnik.



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Posted 31 August 2013 - 05:44 PM

So Freedom Fighters win and what next? Man that's a tough one, I mean first off they would have to find as many survivors possible. I mean it LOOKED like the world was barren in the show but I'd estimate that there are around 50K - 100K Mobians tops left that aren't Robians now. I mean we never got to see the WHOLE world, at most we saw a whole continent. Considering what kind of factions have had a problem with the Kingdom of Acorn (The Cat Claws? :awesome:) I mean bringing them back from their Robian forms may not be the best idea but they would probably do that anyway. Come to think of it turning everyone back to normal after around 11 Years will probably shocking to say the least. I mean waking up after all that time the first thing I'd want to do is hunt down the stupid bastard that let a mad psychopath take over due to his own ignorance and poor judge of character. While Sally IS a good leader if every mobian actually had a brain there is NO WAY in hell they'd let the Acorn Kingdom rise up again after all the shit that happened. In STC, Sonic came up with the Zone Leader thing where (I assume) people would vote on who would run a certain area of the world, it's not entirely perfect but that looked like it worked well enough. Perhaps a Pseudo Democratic/Socialistic Government would work for Mobius as King Max showed that a Total World Monarchy in the SatAM World is NOT the way to go. Even then King Max would NOT be apart of this and may even be trialed for his own incompetence, and as I've said Sally is a good leader but after her father fucked up so royally NO ONE would want her to be some kind of Zone Leader. The Freedom Fighters efforts to rebuild the Kingdom is a futile effort, as nobody should have that much power and resources. But knowing Sally and Sonic's stubborn nature them and the others would have to learn this the hard way. Not only that but the world would have to be ready for any kind of possible future threat, should Every Zone have a team of Freedom Fighters perhaps? Sounds like a good idea, as well as learning about technology, and the study of Magic, The Power Rings, and so on. Well, if the people of Mobius are smart enough that is.

BUT knowing how stupid people can be that they would literally take ANYONE for a leader due to their weak wills (King Naugus from Archie Comics anyone) most of them would probably buy into remaking the Kingdom of Acorn. But hey that's just my suggestion, no you go on ahead and let quite possibly the biggest fool on the planet and make him king again. Yeah, great, just great. :facepalm:


Seriously, HOW THE HELL did nobody know that Robotnik was evil!? I mean just look at those red, glowing, hellish eyes, oh yeah I can completely trust that guy with my life! *sarcasm*

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 06:13 PM

So Freedom Fighters win and what next? Man that's a tough one, I mean first off they would have to find as many survivors possible. I mean it LOOKED like the world was barren in the show but I'd estimate that there are around 50K - 100K Mobians tops left that aren't Robians now. I mean we never got to see the WHOLE world, at most we saw a whole continent. Considering what kind of factions have had a problem with the Kingdom of Acorn (The Cat Claws? :awesome:) I mean bringing them back from their Robian forms may not be the best idea but they would probably do that anyway. Come to think of it turning everyone back to normal after around 11 Years will probably shocking to say the least. I mean waking up after all that time the first thing I'd want to do is hunt down the stupid bastard that let a mad psychopath take over due to his own ignorance and poor judge of character. While Sally IS a good leader if every mobian actually had a brain there is NO WAY in hell they'd let the Acorn Kingdom rise up again after all the shit that happened. In STC, Sonic came up with the Zone Leader thing where (I assume) people would vote on who would run a certain area of the world, it's not entirely perfect but that looked like it worked well enough. Perhaps a Pseudo Democratic/Socialistic Government would work for Mobius as King Max showed that a Total World Monarchy in the SatAM World is NOT the way to go. Even then King Max would NOT be apart of this and may even be trialed for his own incompetence, and as I've said Sally is a good leader but after her father fucked up so royally NO ONE would want her to be some kind of Zone Leader. The Freedom Fighters efforts to rebuild the Kingdom is a futile effort, as nobody should have that much power and resources. But knowing Sally and Sonic's stubborn nature them and the others would have to learn this the hard way. Not only that but the world would have to be ready for any kind of possible future threat, should Every Zone have a team of Freedom Fighters perhaps? Sounds like a good idea, as well as learning about technology, and the study of Magic, The Power Rings, and so on. Well, if the people of Mobius are smart enough that is.

BUT knowing how stupid people can be that they would literally take ANYONE for a leader due to their weak wills (King Naugus from Archie Comics anyone) most of them would probably buy into remaking the Kingdom of Acorn. But hey that's just my suggestion, no you go on ahead and let quite possibly the biggest fool on the planet and make him king again. Yeah, great, just great. :facepalm:

 

 We can't let this happen again... *Lowers his hood and pulls out his blade* You know what me must do.

 

 And there is just another good future episode idea for you.



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Posted 31 August 2013 - 11:40 PM

My son wanted to watch the DVD with the final 5 episodes tonight before going to bed; and after watching Doomsday Project I think I have come up with the answer to this question.

 

When you see them celebrating who is it that is sitting centre podium? Sonic and Sally, not any of the other Freedom Fighter groups' leaders. While Max's catastrophic leadership gave Robotnik the means to take over, it was his daughter and her consort that overthrew the tyrant. Now, we know that there was more to the story with Snively's short rule and Naugus' rule, but eventually we would most likely see Sally and Sonic finally winning.

 

It would only be logical for whatever the Freedom Fighters want they will get seeing as after Robotnik et.al. they'll be the only force on Mobius. I could easily see a counsel being assembled, probably made up of the leaders of the other groups: Lupe, Ari, Dirk, Pollo, Griff, and then someone from Knothole. With the apparent loyalty shown by the Freedom Fighters at the end of Doomsday Project, I could definitely say that Sally and Sonic would be placed as provisional De-facto leaders over the counsel.

Now, with the established loyalty of the others toward Sonic and Sally what happens next really falls on their shoulders. Again while it was Max that caused the horror, it was Sonic and Sally that ended it; sure, some will be angered at the crown in general, but think about it; would you be angry at the ones that just ended your torment? I think not. As far as former enemies of The Great War, nothing has ever been said about what happened to them. Were they rounded up and robotisized? Probably not, as you can see in Blast From the Past robotization was unproven and shelved; only Uncle Chuck seemed to know about it, so if the former enemies were rounded up and robotisized the crown was unaware of it and it only would've happened after the coup. If you remember the first robotisized Mobian was that unnamed dog just prior to Uncle Chuck. So, then were they annihilated? They obviously took massive losses at the hand of "Julian," so unless they have their own resistance or have joined one of the groups of Freedom Fighters what remained were probably picked off and robotisized. That means that "if" the Freedom Fighters eventually decided to free them as well, which I don't see why they wouldn't, they would be indebted to them.

With that being said, if things started falling apart I guarantee that Sally, being the diplomat she is, would be able to hold it together, even if that meant abdicating. However, even if Max happened to survive, which, according to Ben Hurst wouldn't have happened, there is no doubt in my mind that he would never be put in charge of even making chilidogs.

 

Anyway, that's my final take on the question.



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Posted 31 August 2013 - 11:58 PM

My son wanted to watch the DVD with the final 5 episodes tonight before going to bed; and after watching Doomsday Project I think I have come up with the answer to this question.

 

When you see them celebrating who is it that is sitting centre podium? Sonic and Sally, not any of the other Freedom Fighter groups' leaders. While Max's catastrophic leadership gave Robotnik the means to take over, it was his daughter and her consort that overthrew the tyrant. Now, we know that there was more to the story with Snively's short rule and Naugus' rule, but eventually we would most likely see Sally and Sonic finally winning.

 

It would only be logical for whatever the Freedom Fighters want they will get seeing as after Robotnik et.al. they'll be the only force on Mobius. I could easily see a counsel being assembled, probably made up of the leaders of the other groups: Lupe, Ari, Dirk, Pollo, Griff, and then someone from Knothole. With the apparent loyalty shown by the Freedom Fighters at the end of Doomsday Project, I could definitely say that Sally and Sonic would be placed as provisional De-facto leaders over the counsel.

Now, with the established loyalty of the others toward Sonic and Sally what happens next really falls on their shoulders. Again while it was Max that caused the horror, it was Sonic and Sally that ended it; sure, some will be angered at the crown in general, but think about it; would you be angry at the ones that just ended your torment? I think not. As far as former enemies of The Great War, nothing has ever been said about what happened to them. Were they rounded up and robotisized? Probably not, as you can see in Blast From the Past robotization was unproven and shelved; only Uncle Chuck seemed to know about it, so if the former enemies were rounded up and robotisized the crown was unaware of it and it only would've happened after the coup. If you remember the first robotisized Mobian was that unnamed dog just prior to Uncle Chuck. So, then were they annihilated? They obviously took massive losses at the hand of "Julian," so unless they have their own resistance or have joined one of the groups of Freedom Fighters what remained were probably picked off and robotisized. That means that "if" the Freedom Fighters eventually decided to free them as well, which I don't see why they wouldn't, they would be indebted to them.

With that being said, if things started falling apart I guarantee that Sally, being the diplomat she is, would be able to hold it together, even if that meant abdicating. However, even if Max happened to survive, which, according to Ben Hurst wouldn't have happened, there is no doubt in my mind that he would never be put in charge of even making chilidogs.

 

Anyway, that's my final take on the question.

 

Good points man, though people would be keen for Sally and Sonic leading I'm sure some would be against it fearing that she would make a cataclysmic mistake like her father did. Not sure if SatAM Sonic leading a council would go very smoothly (at least at first) but the guy has it where it counts, and even if he can't he IS a hero and a fighter. You make a good point about former enemies of the Kingdom, but what if a group of them managed to survive for this long and not have been Robotisized? I mean if they have a good amount of numbers and a good main team of next gens that grew up to hate and blame the Kingdom (similar to the Freedom Fighters) I'm sure that would cause problems. But as you said Sally can hold her own, also I've never heard about King Max not surviving SatAM, where is that from?


Seriously, HOW THE HELL did nobody know that Robotnik was evil!? I mean just look at those red, glowing, hellish eyes, oh yeah I can completely trust that guy with my life! *sarcasm*

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 12:51 AM

Good points man, though people would be keen for Sally and Sonic leading I'm sure some would be against it fearing that she would make a cataclysmic mistake like her father did. Not sure if SatAM Sonic leading a council would go very smoothly (at least at first) but the guy has it where it counts, and even if he can't he IS a hero and a fighter. You make a good point about former enemies of the Kingdom, but what if a group of them managed to survive for this long and not have been Robotisized? I mean if they have a good amount of numbers and a good main team of next gens that grew up to hate and blame the Kingdom (similar to the Freedom Fighters) I'm sure that would cause problems. But as you said Sally can hold her own, also I've never heard about King Max not surviving SatAM, where is that from?

 

 

But the majority wouldn't; and unless those who wanted to depose them had Freedom Fighters on their side, they really would only be able to argue their point.

Sonic definitely would be the focal point to keeping things from going to hell; he is the hero. But, that in and of itself would cause problems with Sonic's personality.

Probably there would be enemy units, quite likely that they are among the Mobitropolians fighting Robotnik along side the Freedom Fighters. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." The question would be: are they powerful enough by themselves to offer a resistance against the Mobotropolains.

It was from one of Ben Hurst's chat sessions where he laid out what he would've done in the third season. If I remember right, he was supposed to be used as bait to capture Sally, but instead sacrificed himself to stop Naugus.  I've been looking around for where I read it to no avail. Maybe one of the other members knows more and correct me if I'm wrong....

 

Edit: I cannot find it anywhere, but I do see where Ben Hurst said The King would be used as bait: you can find it here.

"Snively frees Naugus and in the process, also frees King Acorn (yea!) and Robotnik. Naugus then assumes control, Robotnik becomes his lackey and, Naugus plans to use the king as bate to capture the Sally."



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Posted 01 September 2013 - 01:45 AM

 

Good points man, though people would be keen for Sally and Sonic leading I'm sure some would be against it fearing that she would make a cataclysmic mistake like her father did. Not sure if SatAM Sonic leading a council would go very smoothly (at least at first) but the guy has it where it counts, and even if he can't he IS a hero and a fighter. You make a good point about former enemies of the Kingdom, but what if a group of them managed to survive for this long and not have been Robotisized? I mean if they have a good amount of numbers and a good main team of next gens that grew up to hate and blame the Kingdom (similar to the Freedom Fighters) I'm sure that would cause problems. But as you said Sally can hold her own, also I've never heard about King Max not surviving SatAM, where is that from?

 

 

But the majority wouldn't; and unless those who wanted to depose them had Freedom Fighters on their side, they really would only be able to argue their point.

Sonic definitely would be the focal point to keeping things from going to hell; he is the hero. But, that in and of itself would cause problems with Sonic's personality.

Probably there would be enemy units, quite likely that they are among the Mobitropolians fighting Robotnik along side the Freedom Fighters. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." The question would be: are they powerful enough by themselves to offer a resistance against the Mobotropolains.

It was from one of Ben Hurst's chat sessions where he laid out what he would've done in the third season. If I remember right, he was supposed to be used as bait to capture Sally, but instead sacrificed himself to stop Naugus or Robotnik.  I've been looking around for where I read it to no avail. Maybe one of the other members knows more and correct me if I'm wrong....

 

 

Yeah I can see that, don't think any of the Freedom Fighters we've seen in the show would have second thoughts about the king.

I can't really see Sonic as a "Behind The Counter" guy during peace time, even if it means running the show with Sally but crazier things have happened.
Like I said before, don't think any of the Freedom Fighters in the show would hate the king (for some reason), and as for a nameless group of background characters that were a part of the Knothole Group they might not have the power to take the main Freedom Fighter team on, the only way I could see such a team taking them on is if they were made for the show to be the Freedom Fighters' opposite counterparts to add conflict to the show, like how in the Archie Comic The Destructix are basically the counterparts of The Chaotix except in this case they are not evil like them, Anti heroes basically.
So that's how King Max goes down in SatAM? Pretty cool, that almost makes up for the suffering of billions (no it doesn't)! Still it's a nice little redemption move and it takes down one of their prime enemies (or does it?). It would probably be Naugus considering all the time he has spent with him.


Seriously, HOW THE HELL did nobody know that Robotnik was evil!? I mean just look at those red, glowing, hellish eyes, oh yeah I can completely trust that guy with my life! *sarcasm*

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 11:30 AM

 

Good points man, though people would be keen for Sally and Sonic leading I'm sure some would be against it fearing that she would make a cataclysmic mistake like her father did. Not sure if SatAM Sonic leading a council would go very smoothly (at least at first) but the guy has it where it counts, and even if he can't he IS a hero and a fighter. You make a good point about former enemies of the Kingdom, but what if a group of them managed to survive for this long and not have been Robotisized? I mean if they have a good amount of numbers and a good main team of next gens that grew up to hate and blame the Kingdom (similar to the Freedom Fighters) I'm sure that would cause problems. But as you said Sally can hold her own, also I've never heard about King Max not surviving SatAM, where is that from?

 

 

But the majority wouldn't; and unless those who wanted to depose them had Freedom Fighters on their side, they really would only be able to argue their point.

Sonic definitely would be the focal point to keeping things from going to hell; he is the hero. But, that in and of itself would cause problems with Sonic's personality.

Probably there would be enemy units, quite likely that they are among the Mobitropolians fighting Robotnik along side the Freedom Fighters. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." The question would be: are they powerful enough by themselves to offer a resistance against the Mobotropolains.

It was from one of Ben Hurst's chat sessions where he laid out what he would've done in the third season. If I remember right, he was supposed to be used as bait to capture Sally, but instead sacrificed himself to stop Naugus.  I've been looking around for where I read it to no avail. Maybe one of the other members knows more and correct me if I'm wrong....

 

Edit: I cannot find it anywhere, but I do see where Ben Hurst said The King would be used as bait: you can find it here.

"Snively frees Naugus and in the process, also frees King Acorn (yea!) and Robotnik. Naugus then assumes control, Robotnik becomes his lackey and, Naugus plans to use the king as bate to capture the Sally."

 

 

If I wanted to be rebel from the crown and wanted a new goverment to replace the last failed one, I would try to appeal to Sonic's own free-spirited nature. Sonic would either be my greatest ally or my greatest enemy. He has the power and the potential to himself become a member of the Acorn Dynasty...And you know what they say with someone with that much power, "absolute power corrupts absolutely."

 

The idea of a rebel character that is trying to "redeem" Sonic seems super-appealing for a story element, doesn't it not? Freedom can not blossom in the land of tyrants!

 

 And who knows? Maybe the extremist is right.... 

 

 If I was pro-monoarchy (which I wouldn't be if I was Mobian) I would want Sally as Queen, due to her proving herself worthy of the title, and Max punished for his ineptitude.

 

Either way, I see a revolution on the horizon...



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Posted 01 September 2013 - 12:01 PM

I was thinking about the whole "The Enemy of My Enemy is My is My Friend" concept, and wouldn't it be very Robotnik to ally himself with the remnants of the enemies of Mobitropolis? Immediately after the coup I could see him telling them something like the Acorns had him help them, but he saw through it and overthrew them. They would probably have more reason to hate Mobitropolis and actually aid him in fighting them. This would be unless, of course, Robotnik thought it was beneath him to once again consort with Mobians, however, like he did with Ari, (who was a Freedom Fighter), he would have no problem with using them as a tool either. Could you imagine having Mobians fighting each other whilst he sat back and watched. Of course we saw no evidence of this at all in SatAM, but perhaps he employed this strategy on other fronts? If that was the case there would be nothing to stop the old tensions from erupting after Robotnik was out of the way.



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Posted 01 September 2013 - 01:28 PM

I was thinking about the whole "The Enemy of My Enemy is My is My Friend" concept, and wouldn't it be very Robotnik to ally himself with the remnants of the enemies of Mobitropolis? Immediately after the coup I could see him telling them something like the Acorns had him help them, but he saw through it and overthrew them. They would probably have more reason to hate Mobitropolis and actually aid him in fighting them. This would be unless, of course, Robotnik thought it was beneath him to once again consort with Mobians, however, like he did with Ari, (who was a Freedom Fighter), he would have no problem with using them as a tool either. Could you imagine having Mobians fighting each other whilst he sat back and watched. Of course we saw no evidence of this at all in SatAM, but perhaps he employed this strategy on other fronts? If that was the case there would be nothing to stop the old tensions from erupting after Robotnik was out of the way.

 

 Sounds very Robotnik to play people off each other in the shadows. Of course if he wanted to seal the deal he would have to be cabalistic and not use his own face. He would need an effective and sicophantic proxy. But who?



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Posted 01 September 2013 - 05:30 PM

Okay i got one

 

Why did Robotnik wait so long to try to destroy the Great Forest to find Knothole


Some say that he knows 2 facts about ducks, and both of them are wrong. And that 61 years ago he accidentally introduced Her Majesty The Queen to a Greek racialist. All we know is, I'm going to the tower now to have my head cut off, and he is called The Stig.

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 06:33 PM

Okay i got one

 

Why did Robotnik wait so long to try to destroy the Great Forest to find Knothole

 

Well in the Pilot Episode, that was what he was trying to do. I don't know how much time was between that episode and Sonic's first escapades. Before Sonic and the Freedom Fighters began their fighting, I don't think he would have had much of a reason to devote resources to that.


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Posted 01 September 2013 - 06:54 PM

 

Okay i got one

 

Why did Robotnik wait so long to try to destroy the Great Forest to find Knothole

 

Well in the Pilot Episode, that was what he was trying to do. I don't know how much time was between that episode and Sonic's first escapades. Before Sonic and the Freedom Fighters began their fighting, I don't think he would have had much of a reason to devote resources to that.

 

 

But if you are gonna take over the world you can. Robutnik had the resources to do so


Some say that he knows 2 facts about ducks, and both of them are wrong. And that 61 years ago he accidentally introduced Her Majesty The Queen to a Greek racialist. All we know is, I'm going to the tower now to have my head cut off, and he is called The Stig.

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 07:06 PM

 

 

Okay i got one

 

Why did Robotnik wait so long to try to destroy the Great Forest to find Knothole

 

Well in the Pilot Episode, that was what he was trying to do. I don't know how much time was between that episode and Sonic's first escapades. Before Sonic and the Freedom Fighters began their fighting, I don't think he would have had much of a reason to devote resources to that.

 

 

But if you are gonna take over the world you can. Robutnik had the resources to do so

 

 

Check around the 13th post, we discussed something close to this. Get back to me soon after with further questions, and will sort this out together.



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Posted 01 September 2013 - 07:09 PM

But the thing i'm asking is before they started to fight him why didnt he do something then? Like theres no way they have been fighting Robotnik for the awhile (like 6 years was it when he took over)


Some say that he knows 2 facts about ducks, and both of them are wrong. And that 61 years ago he accidentally introduced Her Majesty The Queen to a Greek racialist. All we know is, I'm going to the tower now to have my head cut off, and he is called The Stig.




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