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@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 11:25 AM)

Also I still have to figure out how to set up our e-mail accounts on the new host.

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 08:19 AM)

As soon as I figure out how to restore it. Sorry, I know I said it'd be done by now, but I didn't expect to have to put up with this DNS crap and other issues that popped up.

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

So when's the black theme coming back??

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

"Should"

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 07:27 AM)

That DNS took longer to propagate properly than I thought it would. *Now* we should be back for good, though.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:48 PM)

Or it might be because Bluehost *finally* got around to that server wipe (one week after we'd asked for it) and that wiped out our DNS settings. I'm not sure which and I don't really care. In any case, we've severed our last ties with Bluehost, so this will not happen again.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:08 PM)

Looks like Bluehost yanked our DNS since our hosting account expired. That's why the site went down a while ago. But as you can see, it's fixed now.

@  Misk : (23 July 2015 - 04:55 PM)

No, they do not.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 04:27 AM)

The goggles do nothing?

@  Misk : (22 July 2015 - 05:50 PM)

My eyes.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 12:24 PM)

Looks like forum uploads might have been broken since last night. That should be fixed now too.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 01:33 AM)

Heh, whoops! Server went down for a few mins when I borked the config. Looks like it's back up now.

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 09:09 PM)

It looked like a napkin

@  ILOVEVHS : (21 July 2015 - 09:04 PM)

Fan-fuckin-tastic.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:25 PM)

As for the beaver picture while the forum was down, I think Tim drew it. On a napkin.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:24 PM)

No kiddin' about that "Finally!", Shadow. I am *so mad* at Bluehost for never responding to our support ticket. I submitted it early Friday morning and they *still* haven't answered it!

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 06:37 PM)

Maybe he did that himself

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:25 PM)

Say, who made the cute picture of Beaver Chief?

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:24 PM)

Finally!

@  RedMenace : (21 July 2015 - 05:02 PM)

Woooo! The site's back up! Three cheers for Kef!


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 06:38 PM

 

Well I think Archie was closer to SatAM than Underground was.  I think Underground is just the halfway point between SatAM and AoStH.

 

The only hints of AoStH I saw were similar ideas (i.e. episodic plots, Robotnik being a bit goofier, incompetent henchmen, ect.). Almost like they took the basic ideas and made them more SatAMesque in depiction.

 

Everything else felt really SatAMish to me. Even the humor.

 

However I do think at one point in time Underground was intended to be a Continuation.  For one thing King Acorn is featured as a Statue in the First Episode, and Considering Sonic Family is the current Royal Family, it stands to reason that they could be Sally and Sonic's descendants.  

 

Huh. I never thought of it that way before.

 

My theory was that Sonic's mother Aleena was the Queen of another kingdom. The aforementioned statue of King Acorn appearing in the show hints to the Acorn family's presence in Mobotropolis. Also, they never said Aleena was the Queen of Mobotropolis in the show, and in one episode, the triplets visit the kingdom their mother ruled prior to Robotnik's invasion.

 

The weird Magic Town?  I thought they were born there, but they didn't rule there.

 

I do agree it being a separate kingdom is possible.  I just think at one point Underground was meant to be a sequel or continuation of SatAM.  However the developers caught on that their show was different so they made it something original.

 

 

Also you did forget that a lot of the weird looking characters look like they were ripped outta AoStH.  



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Posted 22 August 2013 - 06:49 PM

I don't know how much the original creators thought about it other than a plot device for a means for Robuttnick to weasel his way into a position of power with King Max. The overall ambiguity of this ominous "Great War" does give me a feeling of wanting to know more; I pretty sure that they were going to cover more about it in the third season that never happened.

 

However, you can be assured that it would probably be involving two or more factions vying for resources or religious beliefs. When you get down to the nitty gritty those two factors are always at the very basis of all human conflicts. In Sea3on we know of at least one, or possibility of the only the main adversary of the Mobotropolian people: The Warclaws. Though not much has been revealed thus far about the hows and whys of the conflict, either or both of those factors could be the cause of the conflict.

I get the feeling from SatAM and Sea3on that The Great War wasn't going well for Mobotropolis and Julian came in, and with his technology, turned The Great War to their favour. With the order of King Max to "dismantle the military" in Blast to the Past leads me to believe that Mobotropolis might not have had more than a meager defensive force to begin which would leave them wide open for conquest until Julian came to the rescue.

Mobotropolis, just by how it's always referred to as a city rather than a country might be a city-state similar to something found in Ancient Greece; i.e. Athens. Perhaps they were a small "utopian" oasis in an otherwise hostile world filled with many factions that were at eachother's throats and were caught in the fray.

In both Cry of the Wolf and Fed Up with Antoine we were shown two other factions: The Wolfpack and The Nasty Hyenas. Now, it does mention that the Wolfpack is loyal to The King "Max," but The Nasty Hyenas are a pack of wild vagabond cannibals; perhaps they were somehow allied with The Warclaws? Other than the Terapods, which I really wouldn't call a faction, I don't remember any other groups that were not somehow affiliated with Mobotropolis or The King.

As far as geographical areas in SatAM, most seem to be uninhabited by name: The Great Unknown, The Great Forest, The Great Swamp (that has a prison that has been abandoned for over a millennium: Ironlock). Come to think of it a lot of things have "The Great" preceding it in name; perhaps that in and of itself might tell a lot about the Mobian psychology.

 

Anyway, that's my 2 cents on the topic.

 

 Let me just say your input was worth way more than two cents. Very observant!

 

  You are right about civilizational conflicts. They can be boiled down to a mixture of resource-based and broadly ideological issues. Most mainstream historians prefer the term “ideological” as a broader and more accurate term over "religious” conflicts however, seeing historically how secularist like Pol Pot's Khemer Rouge and Stalin’s Militant Atheist League (yes, sadly that was a thing) have spilled a lot of innocent blood in our own history’s past just as much (if not, way more than) various religious ideologies. To use some real world examples: even today radically secular North Korea punishes Christians up to three generations, placing the believer, child, and then grandchild in work camps  :icon_sad:! And the total of diverse religious peoples persecuted by certain anti-religious political parties has skyrocketing into the millions (over 12 million for just Christians in the old USSR alone, that’s not including other religions and locations getting the axe).  Heck there is even internal denominational-conflict between irreligious communities (atheism is divided into three quarrelsome groups of Classic, New, and the less aggressive, pro-theist “3.0” movement).  And I thought the crusades were sad…  :facepalm:

 

 In reality all you need is one small disagreement, between two disagreeing people, and only one disagreeable person to start a fight.  On a side note, that is also why the internet has so many silly flame wars over trivial things! Give people the ability shoot each other over the internet and there would be war in our own diverse fandom everyday!  xD 

 

 That’s enough philosophizing for me today. In a nut shell, I guess what I’m trying to say is that any difference of ideals can lead to a nasty scrap (fortunately, that gives us lot to work with storywise). Now that is clarified and were not thematically limited to jus relgion vs. religon based conflicts, let’s get to the other good points you made and how they apply to the rules of civilizational conflict.

 

 The Hyenas: These nasty fellows are real amoral to be eating their own kind for the hell of it. Obviously they are some form anarchists (hence why they typically eat their effigial “leaders” in the same – but all more intense - way people in our world mock politicians on SNL and with cartoon caricatures).  I would bet my bottom dollar that they were either an extreme reactivist group that was fed up with the Acorn dynasty (if they were pre-coupe) or a group akin ideologically to the raiders of Fallout Three (post-coupe). If I was writing them, I'd play them as a radically anti-authoritarian wildcard that hates everybody but themselves. And even with that said,  they would be internally unstable. 

 

 The Wolf Pack: If they are and were loyal to the Acorn Monarchy, it’s because of Max’s centralist and anti-colonial policies. Being the type of guy who disbands his whole military (which in my opinion was a very, very dumb idea - *points at what use to be Mobitropolis*), King Max must not be a big fan of expanding his empire, unless this was all some clever political rouse. Deceptioin could still be a possibility, I have my suspicions. That means he probably doesn't make a lot of enemies with indigenous peoples due colonization.  Perhaps The Wolf-Pack is a long term ally of the old kingdom, both of them having  a good history (like America and England since the 20th century)? Maybe Max and previous monarchs have supported the Wolf Pack before due to some common interest and that has lead to a strong bond. Any ideas on what that could be?



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Posted 22 August 2013 - 06:54 PM

From what I've read, Underground was always meant to be something new, rather than based off of SatAM. It was likely the involvement of Ben Hurst and a handful of others who worked on both shows that resulted in any similarities. They wanted to make a proper third season, but didn't have the authority to do so, nor to change the core concept of Underground to something less...questionable. As such, they just did what little they could to make Underground as much a spiritual successor to SatAM as possible.



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Posted 22 August 2013 - 06:58 PM

I do agree it being a separate kingdom is possible.  I just think at one point Underground was meant to be a sequel or continuation of SatAM.  However the developers caught on that their show was different so they made it something original.

 

Also you did forget that a lot of the weird looking characters look like they were ripped outta AoStH.

 

They might've, but they still left it vague enough to fit them somewhat together. Heck, the main reason why most fans regard it as a separate series is due to the Archie Sonic series treating it as another universe when the comics themselves are viewed as the "true" continuation (even though it isn't).

 

Also, AoStH extras:

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Vs. "Underground" extras:

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I don't see the similarities. The extras in "Underground" are odd-looking, but they're nowhere near as weird (or creepy) as the AoStH extras. It's like comparing "DuckTails" to "Rocko's Modern Life".



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Posted 22 August 2013 - 07:03 PM

I didn't say Extras, I said Weirdos.  



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Posted 22 August 2013 - 07:07 PM

From what I've read, Underground was always meant to be something new, rather than based off of SatAM. It was likely the involvement of Ben Hurst and a handful of others who worked on both shows that resulted in any similarities. They wanted to make a proper third season, but didn't have the authority to do so, nor to change the core concept of Underground to something less...questionable. As such, they just did what little they could to make Underground as much a spiritual successor to SatAM as possible.

 

 I heard the same. Man, it must've been sad to have got back to writing for Sonic after a five year stint and having all these fresh new thoughts raging in your head just to have all those uncreative and meddling executives breathing down your neck as typed out your new scripts... So close, but so, so far. That is why I have a very gray opinion on that series. I keep on seeing what cool things it did (differing cultures and locations), what uncreative, intellgence-insulting crap buried those cool things (eg. Dingo's lust for a minor and his implaussibly goofy transforming powers, the power-medalions, and the hit-or-miss random music-bits), and most importantly what it could have been if the people who were creative were actually given creative control, and I feel a deep ambivalnce. Good ideas and execution will alway be more marketable than such procrustean "stick to the plan" ideas of bussiness. No guts, no glory, and only mediocrity come from those who can't take chances. Look at Satam, it's the things that were the most questionable that were the most memorable to us now (specifically it's gritty mileu and dark themes well mixed with lighthearted humour). It wasn't perfect, but it was good enough for to be talking about it and reconstructing it's ideas and wonderful world it gave us as we speak (I, mean type  xD ).



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Posted 22 August 2013 - 07:16 PM

I didn't say Extras, I said Weirdos.  

 

Same thing applies.

 

AoStH:

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Vs. "Underground":

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The last one, Hotep, looks especially like a character that stepped out of SatAM.

 

The only character in "Underground" that looked like a AoStH character was this guy:

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And even he looks more appealing than most characters created for it. In fact, he kinda looks like Naugus. Doesn't he?



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Posted 22 August 2013 - 07:22 PM

The top one looks really cool, actually. Underground's production was decent, more than decent when you compare it to AoSth!

 

It's the direction that saddens me.



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Posted 22 August 2013 - 07:37 PM

I didn't find the odd elements of "Underground" any weirder than SatAM's stuff.
 
"Underground" had Sleet using his transmogrifier remote on Dingo, while SatAM had Lazaar and his magical computer full of spells. "Underground" had do-bots that pampered people's hair, while SatAM had a two-headed tuba robot in a space bar.
"Underground" had magical instruments that become weapons, while SatAM had Rotor build a fembot for unknown purposes that fell in love with Antoine.
 
Both series had their share of "WTF" moments, but that's what made them so fun. Much like "Batman:TAS" or "Superman:TAS"; they have a good mixture of dark, serious moments, but also plenty of surrealism to keep you entertained.


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 07:45 PM

Maybe Max and previous monarchs have supported the Wolf Pack before due to some common interest and that has lead to a strong bond. Any ideas on what that could be?

 

 

That was a very in depth evaluation of my take on The Great War; I really liked your insights.

 

The two cultures have very little in common and it would be rare for the a primitive culture to be loyal to a monarch from a much more advanced one; the cosmopolitan way of life in Mobotropolis and with the more agrarian and simplistic one of the Wolfpack are in opposition with each other. However, at one point there must've been some interaction in the past, possibly the distant past.

Since religion was never discussed in SatAM it would be interesting to know more about the overall belief system of the Mobotropolians; maybe they have a common belief system. A bit of mythology is hinted at throughout the series, a couple of examples would be The Void episode where Sally mentions the ancient race of giants called the "Mundaras" that she was studying as well as the ancient city of "Maga" in The Secret Scrolls episode. This begs the question: who were these ancient cultures and people? Since it's generally accepted as cannon in SatAM that Mobius is a future Earth and that the Mobians are advanced forms of animal life as seen on Earth today, perhaps some sort of a mix of animal and human DNA. This is hinted at in the Sonic and Sally episode where Snively says he has enough memory to match Human Complexity when installing the memory module in the robot copy of Sally. If this is the case, then maybe these myths could've been about more older forms of their species, or perhaps the last bastions of humanity before they were snuffed out and out of those myths came their belief systems that the Mobotropolians and the Wolfpack commonly share. 

On the other hand, the Wolfpack could've been used at one time as a line of defense against outside threats, like how Rome employed the Goths to fight their battles, or perhaps they both had a common ancestral enemy and decided to work together for an equally beneficial goal. However, in this case there was most likely a treaty(s) in place that gave the Wolfpack autonomy in exchange for non-aggression against Mobotropolis. It's just another one of those unanswered questions that was never correctly answered.



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Posted 22 August 2013 - 07:46 PM

In fact, he kinda looks like Naugus. Doesn't he?

 

And now I have a mental image of Naugus taking a bubble bath. So much for getting any sleep tonight.

 

Regardless, this hideous abomination is what always comes to mind when I think of Underground extras. To be fair, it's from the first episode. It's possible the series improved as it went on...though given I only made it through a handful of episodes before giving up, I don't know.

 

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 07:47 PM

The only character in "Underground" that looked like a AoStH character was this guy:

Snowbeast11.jpg

 

And even he looks more appealing than most characters created for it. In fact, he kinda looks like Naugus. Doesn't he?

 

Oh.  Em.  Gee.  It's Naugus's slightly dropped-on-his-head-as-a-child cousin! 



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Posted 22 August 2013 - 07:51 PM

 

The only character in "Underground" that looked like a AoStH character was this guy:

Snowbeast11.jpg

 

And even he looks more appealing than most characters created for it. In fact, he kinda looks like Naugus. Doesn't he?

 

Oh.  Em.  Gee.  It's Naugus's slightly dropped-on-his-head-as-a-child cousin! 

 

 

Funny!

 

 

You know, I really need to just sit down and watch Underground. Though every time I get a minute or so into an episode all I can think of how I'd rather be watching SatAM.



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Posted 22 August 2013 - 08:09 PM

You know, I really need to just sit down and watch Underground. Though every time I get a minute or so into an episode all I can think of how I'd rather be watching SatAM.

 

Be sure to skip the music video parts. I may enjoy the series, but most of the songs are annoying/pointless as heck.

 

Then again, SatAM had Dulcy during the second season, so it's still a tie.

 

 

In fact, he kinda looks like Naugus. Doesn't he?

 

And now I have a mental image of Naugus taking a bubble bath. So much for getting any sleep tonight.

 

Regardless, this hideous abomination is what always comes to mind when I think of Underground extras. To be fair, it's from the first episode. It's possible the series improved as it went on...though given I only made it through a handful of episodes before giving up, I don't know.

 

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Aww. I like that little mutant. He's one of my favorite background characters.

 

It goes to show not all Mobians have to be anthropomorphic animals.



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Posted 22 August 2013 - 08:12 PM

 

You know, I really need to just sit down and watch Underground. Though every time I get a minute or so into an episode all I can think of how I'd rather be watching SatAM.

 

Be sure to skip the music video parts. I may enjoy the series, but most of the songs are annoying/pointless as heck.

 

Then again, SatAM had Dulcy during the second season, so it's still a tie.

 

 

Thanks for the heads up.



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Posted 22 August 2013 - 08:20 PM

 

Maybe Max and previous monarchs have supported the Wolf Pack before due to some common interest and that has lead to a strong bond. Any ideas on what that could be?

 

 

That was a very in depth evaluation of my take on The Great War; I really liked your insights.

 

The two cultures have very little in common and it would be rare for the a primitive culture to be loyal to a monarch from a much more advanced one; the cosmopolitan way of life in Mobotropolis and with the more agrarian and simplistic one of the Wolfpack are in opposition with each other. However, at one point there must've been some interaction in the past, possibly the distant past.

Since religion was never discussed in SatAM it would be interesting to know more about the overall belief system of the Mobotropolians; maybe they have a common belief system. A bit of mythology is hinted at throughout the series, a couple of examples would be The Void episode where Sally mentions the ancient race of giants called the "Mundaras" that she was studying as well as the ancient city of "Maga" in The Secret Scrolls episode. This begs the question: who were these ancient cultures and people? Since it's generally accepted as cannon in SatAM that Mobius is a future Earth and that the Mobians are advanced forms of animal life as seen on Earth today, perhaps some sort of a mix of animal and human DNA. This is hinted at in the Sonic and Sally episode where Snively says he has enough memory to match Human Complexity when installing the memory module in the robot copy of Sally. If this is the case, then maybe these myths could've been about more older forms of their species, or perhaps the last bastions of humanity before they were snuffed out and out of those myths came their belief systems that the Mobotropolians and the Wolfpack commonly share. 

On the other hand, the Wolfpack could've been used at one time as a line of defense against outside threats, like how Rome employed the Goths to fight their battles, or perhaps they both had a common ancestral enemy and decided to work together for an equally beneficial goal. However, in this case there was most likely a treaty(s) in place that gave the Wolfpack autonomy in exchange for non-aggression against Mobotropolis. It's just another one of those unanswered questions that was never correctly answered.

 

 

 I think you're going to like the episodic fan-novel I am working on, Sonic The Hedgehog: Edge of Tommorow. Let's just say It trys to awnser some of the insights we both have mentioned.

 

 If it is said, it is there. Human's have their place somewhere in the ephermeral background of the Satam series. As for now, I'll must my lips sealed. 

 

 We all know how The Goth tribes and The Romans relations went down, not well. If I were Robotnik or Snivly "The Great", I'd sure exploit any bad blood between them and Freedom Fighters who fight in the old monoarchs name if I could. I'd really bring out those diffrences and try to doupe them with any diffrence I could point out. Robotnik in paticular knows how to play people off each other as good as the devil himself! Remember what he did with Ari and his Freedom Fighters? Surely he'd at least try something as nasty as this. And that conflict could be devestating...and a great read for us!  xD



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Posted 22 August 2013 - 08:51 PM

 We all know how The Goth tribes and The Romans relations went down, not well. If I were Robotnik or Snivly "The Great", I'd sure exploit any bad blood between them and Freedom Fighters who fight in the old monoarchs name if I could. I'd really bring out those diffrences and try to doupe them with any diffrence I could point out. Robotnik in paticular knows how to play people off each other as good as the devil himself! Remember what he did with Ari and his Freedom Fighters? Surely he'd at least try something as nasty as this. And that conflict could be devestating...and a great read for us!  xD

 

 

The problem with that is that Robotnik and Snivly are a common enemy that has done catastrophic damage to both Mobotropolains and Wolfpack; I highly doubt that they'd be duped into a conflict against eachother as long as Robotnik and co. still have their metal grip on things. I could easily see conflicts of all kinds pop up in the aftermath of Robotnik's fall; similar to what happened after the Soviet Union let the Eastern Bloc states go; for instance when Yugoslavia broke up into the old states of Serbia, Croatia, and Bosnia we immediately saw over 1000 years of hostilities reignite without the Soviets to maintain order and give them a common enemy.



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Posted 22 August 2013 - 09:20 PM

 

 We all know how The Goth tribes and The Romans relations went down, not well. If I were Robotnik or Snivly "The Great", I'd sure exploit any bad blood between them and Freedom Fighters who fight in the old monoarchs name if I could. I'd really bring out those diffrences and try to doupe them with any diffrence I could point out. Robotnik in paticular knows how to play people off each other as good as the devil himself! Remember what he did with Ari and his Freedom Fighters? Surely he'd at least try something as nasty as this. And that conflict could be devestating...and a great read for us!  xD

 

 

The problem with that is that Robotnik and Snivly are a common enemy that has done catastrophic damage to both Mobotropolains and Wolfpack; I highly doubt that they'd be duped into a conflict against eachother as long as Robotnik and co. still have their metal grip on things. I could easily see conflicts of all kinds pop up in the aftermath of Robotnik's fall; similar to what happened after the Soviet Union let the Eastern Bloc states go; for instance when Yugoslavia broke up into the old states of Serbia, Croatia, and Bosnia we immediately saw over 1000 years of hostilities reignite without the Soviets to maintain order and give them a common enemy.

 

 

It's bad when stuff like that makes you miss The Cold War.

 

 If I was an evil overlord I spread decension indirectly through another party, set the Freedom Fighters up to be less than trust worthy.

 

I bring this idea up, because I was unconciously pre-supposing my own storyline. My bad! You see, Edge of Tommorow is a distant sequal to Sea3on ( almost 1 then 3 years after it, enough to let the series finish on it's own without me assuming my thoughts on the ending or stepping on the writers' toes). It only assumes Snivly and Nuagus are defeated and from there I plan to reference the progressing Sea3on storyline time to time as it goes along. In this, like the aforementioned Eastern Block, the past comes back to smack the Freedom Fighters in the face (who have no idea of the politics and problems of the original pre-coupe world, seeing how they were just children at the time). And...I plan to bring a certain someone/s back from the brink (all though there are going to be some...changes). I plan to bridge some gaps and adress all these above issues in various episodes. Since it's a written story, I can probably go more in depth into mileu of the Mandarins and such for us hardcore Satam fans.

 

 I plan to post some concept art and the first chapter soon (thought about eventually narrating and illustrating the whole thing with a group once Sea3on is done - as to enforce, rather than steal it's thunder) . 



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Posted 22 August 2013 - 09:29 PM

 

It's bad when stuff like that makes you miss The Cold War.

 

 If I was an evil overlord I spread decension indirectly through another party, set the Freedom Fighters up to be less than trust worthy.

 

I bring this idea up, because I was unconciously pre-supposing my own storyline. My bad! You see, Edge of Tommorow is a distant sequal to Sea3on ( almost 1 then 3 years after it, enough to let the series finish on it's own without me assuming my thoughts on the ending or stepping on the writers' toes). It only assumes Snivly and Nuagus are defeated and from there I plan to reference the progressing Sea3on storyline time to time as it goes along. In this, like the aforementioned Eastern Block, the past comes back to smack the Freedom Fighters in the face (who have no idea of the politics and problems of the original pre-coupe world, seeing how they were just children at the time). And...I plan to bring a certain someone/s back from the brink (all though there are going to be some...changes). I plan to bridge some gaps and adress all these above issues in various episodes. Since it's a written story, I can probably go more in depth into mileu of the Mandarins and such for us hardcore Satam fans.

 

 I plan to post some concept art and the first chapter soon (thought about eventually narrating and illustrating the whole thing with a group once Sea3on is done - as to enforce, rather than steal it's thunder) . 

 

 

That definitely would be an interesting concept, and you're right, none of the Freedom Fighters would know anything but the world in Robotnik's grasp. I, personally would love to see another group of original Mobian characters that could set the Freedom Fighters reeling, especially seeing one that could get inside Sally's head and push her to her limits psychologically.



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Posted 22 August 2013 - 09:32 PM

 

I didn't find the odd elements of "Underground" any weirder than SatAM's stuff.
 
"Underground" had Sleet using his transmogrifier remote on Dingo, while SatAM had Lazaar and his magical computer full of spells. "Underground" had do-bots that pampered people's hair, while SatAM had a two-headed tuba robot in a space-

 

 

 

Shh...you made your point. Just please, please... don't mention the Space Bar. Like the name of Voldemort or the title of Beatlejuice, it's evil must not be frequently mentioned. Lest it rise again! :velvet:  

 

Speaking of which...I had a dark thought about that. If their are robots that can think and feel like the one's in the bar...could that mean Sonic has been potentially trashing some Sentient "machines?" And here is a better question How can we explain away all the crazy in that episode into oblivion without to much retconing? I mean seriously!!! They got on a busted rocket and breathed in space!






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