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[Vampfox]

One thing that Archie did better then Satam was showing other areas of the planet that Robotnik/Eggman controlled as well as sub bosses/Dark Egg Legion Grandmasters/Egg Bosses that answered to him. Satam felt too small sometimes, and you never really felt the full impact of Robotnik owning the whole planet.

[E122Psi]

Admitedly Archie's handling of Robotnik's takeover felt a lot more believable, since they filled in a lot of holes and how he was able to hide his less than shrewd evil soul before the kingdom for so long.

 

I admit I also preferred the comic's use of sub bosses and whatnot, not just because it made the setup more believable, but it felt more fitting for the doctor to have made all these sentient goons to snivel before him. One nephew can only pamper his ego so much after all, and it sort of ties into his adoration for machinery, which even the seemingly more well intentioned variation in the show's bible referenced. In his world, robotics would rule, superior beings he could upgrade and 'fix' to fit his brilliant train of thought.

 

Season One hinted to sentient robots, but mostly just undeveloped drones with few individual roles (par of course his beloved Cluck). In Season Two however, he just seems to want the world rid of life, organic or not. Everybody gone or a lifeless drone except him and maybe his yes man, and even the latter wasn't definite.

 

[Vlad Yvhv]

About the robots with personality: Notice that in Heads Or Tails, that the SWATBOTs laugh at Snively until he threatens them with his little "make someting go wrong" button. It could well be that Robotnik's earlier non-roboticized robots had more personality, but that either he decided that he didn't like the idea of them being able to mouth off to him, or that the Freedom Fighters' raids and attacks were putting a dent in his resources and he simply cut out the personality programming process to be able to mass-produce robots more efficiently.

[E122Psi]

There were many nods to sentient life in Season One. Harmonic Sonic had Sonic antagonise a Star Wars type populace of sleazy droids. While Sonic and Sally's plot revolved around robots not being able to replicate human emotions, the Sally droid still had a visible personality, showing conniving and sadistic humour in harassing the heroes and getting frustrated when her deception kept getting seen through. Not to mention even the security program is life preserving enough to back from a threat, be it the real Robotnik or not.

 

I guess it seemed odd because it was almost reverse proportional to how the show progressed, Robotnik got more detrimentally narcissistic and careless by Season Two. I see it more likely Season Two Robotnik would need lackies and 'pets' doting over him and telling him how awesome he was, regardless of the potential risks of treachery, while Season One Robotnik was cold blooded and savvy enough to take no risks in programming.

 

If anything Underground Robotnik seemed the most in character setup. Keeping enough human populaces so he can enjoy them grovelling and pleasuring him with wealth, but keeping them restrained heavily with his robot soldiers. While making the entire world void of life is likely the most sure fire safest method, it doesn't seem one he could live with, he thrives on making people squirm before him and make him feel superior. He can't do that with lifeless drones.

 

Come to think of it, there's an interesting theory in that. What exactly would Robotnik do with himself if he finally got rid of Sonic, the obsession of his life?

[Vlad Yvhv]

I don't have any knowlege of Underground.

 

Season 1 Robotnik had more control and more resources. Season 2 Robotnik was plagued by mulitple Freedom Fighter groups attacking and raiding his outposts. He may have WANTED more pets and lackies, but at that point lacked the resoruces to to keep making more sentient machines. He NEEDED to lobotomize his workforce, in order to up-scale production, to handle what had previously not been as serious a threat. And at the end of Doomsday, he just kinda throws in the towel and says "screw it".

[TheRedStranger]

Okay guys. Now we are going to do something fresh. Everyone list your most aggravating unanswered questions. After we get a big enough list we will start coming up with answers.

 

My firsts for the list is:

 

 1. What did the FF do with the Secret Scrolls?

 2. What did the FF do with the Time Stones?

 3. Why is the Forbidden Zone Forbidden?

[RedAuthar]

What Happened to Cat, Robotized, Killed, or other?

Does Robotnik control the whole planet or just where the Freedom Fighters are Located?

When did Bunnie get her Robotic limbs?

[Leptailurus]

1. Was it King Acorn who sent the “BEAN” message to Nicole and instructed to check the SUB-TER 97.293c file in the Ironlock computer?

If yes, when and how? If not, who sent it?

Did Robotnik know about the tunnels in the file?

 

2. What happened to the energy crystal from S01e04? Did Robotnik continue mining?

 

3. What is the origin and the primary function of the green liquid which accelerated plant growth and removed hydrocarbons?

(A question hard to answer, because it is most likely metaphorical, but the lack of explanation and further reference aggravated me.)

[ZealousFoX]

1. In Blast To The Past. What happened to Aunt Rosie after Sally gave her the slip, and make it back to Knothole. Though she told her not to leave, and when Sonic and Sally make it back to the current timeline. She's referenced in dialog, but never seen in the end of part 2. Not even through the rest of the season. So... What happened? Did she not listen to Sal, and get captured. Or did she exist within Knothole, but never had anymore camera time? Or the more farfetched Idea is she hopped over into the Archie Sonic universe? (This one has always stumped me as I had fondly enjoyed her personality, and character as a kid.)

 

2. How did Tails even find Sally, and evidently she was now burdened with him?

 

3. What was that Cheetah Bot that raced Sonic in Sonic Racer exactly. Was it Cat?  (This one bothers me greatly as the robot just happened to appear, and never be seen again after the episode. Plus Robotnik seemed to cherish it greatly, so it must of had some huge value than just a bot for the race.)

[Uncle Ben]

1. Why did it take so long to contact another group of Freedom Fighters, especially with the Wolf Pack already had contacts with other groups?
2. Why havent other locations ever been mentioned after the Freedom Fighters go to them.
3. How (and Why) did Dulcy meet up with the Freedom Fighters. She just showed up one day, like seriously, i need the deets.
4. Why did Rotor change?? He was fine for most of Season 1 (Bonus really)
5. What did they all do in their off time

[Mike Arcade]

I got my own questions for SatAM that are never answered.

1. Where the hell did Dulcy come from? You don't just go poof, We have a Dragon now! Speaking of Vehicles, whatever happened to the Freedom Stormer?

 

2. How did Uncle Chuck create Power Rings, and why did he make them for Sonic before the whole Coop? Did he just have some massive Foresight for a threat that didn't turn out to be Robotnik?

 

3. Rotor, why Ro-Becca? Why that design...just...just why? I mean I know he made her to be his assistant but couldn't he come up with something better then Ro-Becca? Maybe there was a reason he designed her like that? I don't know and maybe I don't want to know...

[TheRedStranger]

That's more than three questions, Mike. 

 

Okay we got a big list here as follows:

 

 

 1. What did the FF do with the Secret Scrolls?

2. What did the FF do with the Time Stones?

3. Why is the Forbidden Zone Forbidden?

4.What Happened to Cat, Robotized, Killed, or other?

5.Does Robotnik control the whole planet or just where the Freedom Fighters are Located?

6.When did Bunnie get her Robotic limbs?

7.Was it King Acorn who led the Freedom Fighter's to the intel on the old Ironlock Computer? If yes, when and how? If not, who sent it? Did Robotnik know about the tunnels in the file?

            8. What happened to the energy crystal in Sonic in Ultra Sonic? Did Robotnik continue mining?

            9. Wha t is the original purpose and green liquid which accelerated plant growth and removed hydrocarbons?

         10. Where the hell did Dulcy come from? You don't just go poof, We have a Dragon now!

          11.Whatever happened to the Freedom Stormer?

          12.How did Uncle Chuck create Power Rings, and why did he make them for Sonic before the whole Coupe? 

         13. Rotor, why Ro-Becca? I mean I know he made her to be his assistant but couldn't he come up with something better then Ro-Becca? Maybe there was a reason he designed her like that?

 

Please Add a Corresponding to Number each question you choose. 

[MoKat]

 1. What did the FF do with the Secret Scrolls?

NICOLE: Accessing...The Secret Scrolls of Mogga contained herein are the 7 wonders of Mobius.  Powerful, natural wonders, but dangerous if misused. *pauses*

Seems like the kind of information they wouldn't want falling into Robotnik's hands, so I figure either they hid them in a -really-safe place or Nicole scanned them & the FFs destroyed them.  I'd personally go with the later.

 

 

3. Why is the Forbidden Zone Forbidden?

Probably because anybody (or anything?) that went in there had a habit of not coming back out.

*searches the transcript for the relevant line...*

SNIVLEY: The evil wizard, Lazar, has rested for centuries within the Forbidden Zone.  Although many have attempted to recover his computer of magic spells, none have succeeded.

 

 

4.What Happened to Cat, Robotized, Killed, or other?

I would assume he was Roboticized, given that's what happened to Ari's group.

 

 

 8. What happened to the energy crystal in Sonic in Ultra Sonic? Did Robotnik continue mining?

I would assume he'd continue mining because he was constantly looking for resources to plunder.  All Sonic, Bunnie & Chuck did was deprive him of that way huge energy crystal.  The smaller crystals would be useful, so he'd probably keep mining until the mine ran out of crystals.

[LogiTeeka]

2. What did the FF do with the Time Stones?

I figured they disapparated once Sonic and Sally used them to return to the present.

5.Does Robotnik control the whole planet or just where the Freedom Fighters are Located?

Considering he only took control of one major city, I doubt that counts as the whole planet.

In some episodes, he takes a leave of absence to take care of certain unseen problems. This could suggest that he either has connections or allies; or is trying to extend his empire's reach.

7.Was it King Acorn who led the Freedom Fighter's to the intel on the old Ironlock Computer? If yes, when and how? If not, who sent it? Did Robotnik know about the tunnels in the file?

Yes.

How, you ask? Simple: alternate timeline. In the beginning of the series, King Acorn is said to be in hiding, supplying the Freedom Fighters with intel which he managed to gather. When Sonic and Sally traveled back in time, they accidentally created a parallel timeline, in which King Acorn was captured by Robotnik and sent into the Void.

10. Where the hell did Dulcy come from? You don't just go poof, We have a Dragon now!

The same place where Tails came from.

I mean, where did he come from? We at least got to see Dulcy when she was younger, but we never got an explanation for Tails.

12.How did Uncle Chuck create Power Rings, and why did he make them for Sonic before the whole Coupe?

The rings have always been associated with the power of the Chaos Emeralds; being the leftover residue of their radiation. I'm not so sure how Uncle Chuck created them, but the series did suggest them being used as energy sources and amplifiers.

Perhaps that's where the Archie comics got the idea.

13. Rotor, why Ro-Becca? I mean I know he made her to be his assistant but couldn't he come up with something better then Ro-Becca? Maybe there was a reason he designed her like that?

I can't help but wonder if Ro-Becca was the result of him experimenting with leftover remains of former Robians.

Suddenly, the episode's Frankenstein-like parallels makes this concept a whole lot creepier.

[RedAuthar]

 

7.Was it King Acorn who led the Freedom Fighter's to the intel on the old Ironlock Computer? If yes, when and how? If not, who sent it? Did Robotnik know about the tunnels in the file?

 

Yes.  However when Sally and Sonic changed time changed thus the Kings actions were erased, leaving only Sally and Sonic aware of the events.

 

Course this theory proposes a whole boatload of other problems.  Because if the King's message never happened Sally wouldn't have gone after him.  If that didn't happen Cat never would have been caught.

 

An alternative theory is Naugus and the King had attempted to escape before.  Perhaps Naugus's magic allowed the King to escape briefly enough to send a message.  The King just decided to help Sally instead, besides he had to get the Freedom Fighter list somehow.  After failing to allow, them to escape however, Naugus broke off the alliance hence why he didn't help them escape but didn't stop them either.

 

This of course is not fool proof either.  Why wouldn't the King send Sally the Freedom Fighter list then?  Where did the Tunnels come from and how did he know about them?  

 

Truthfully I believe it is a combination of the two.  The original event was altered when Sally and Sonic altered history, so we don't know the original goals or events however the action was an attempt by Naugus and the King to escape.  The King attempted to alert his daughter to his situation, and the tunnels were originally secret passages or escape routes out of Mobotropolis, and perhaps where the Void was originally located.  Nobody said he was telling her how to take out Stealth Bombers.  Besides...he interrupted their mission to do that already so it seems counter intuitive.  

[HeavensChampion]

I have an interesting theory. What if prior to the events of the series, Mobius was ruled by an evil empire, and eventually brought down by Sonic's, Tails's, and Sally's ancestors? Sonic's ancestor would be a gladiator who lead a revolt against their oppressive masters, Sally's ancestor would be a runaway slave, and Tails's ancestor would be the champion of a tribe reminiscent of the Celts.

 

Plus, Naugus would have originally been a member of said evil empire.

[TheRedStranger]

Any more takers, especially on the unawnsered questions?

[MoKat]

11.Whatever happened to the Freedom Stormer?

 

First of all, the Freedom Stormer was little more than a big glider that was built specifically for that mission.  In other words, its usefulness was rather limited.

Also, given various mishaps, certain FFs would question its reliability & refuse to fly in it ever again.

Furthermore, some FFs (most notably Sally) didn't think much of Sonic's flying

And when Dulcy came along, she seemed to be their preferred mode of transportation (in spite of her rough landings).

 

Given all that, I figure it was either mothballed or Rotor disassembled it because he needed the parts for other inventions.

[TheRedStranger]

11.Whatever happened to the Freedom Stormer?

 

First of all, the Freedom Stormer was little more than a big glider that was built specifically for that mission.  In other words, its usefulness was rather limited.

Also, given various mishaps, certain FFs would question its reliability & refuse to fly in it ever again.

Furthermore, some FFs (most notably Sally) didn't think much of Sonic's flying

And when Dulcy came along, she seemed to be their preferred mode of transportation (in spite of her rough landings).

 

Given all that, I figure it was either mothballed or Rotor disassembled it because he needed the parts for other inventions.

 

A rather well-thought and direct answer, Mokat. Unlike many I have talked with - not necessarily in this forum and thread, mind - you have tendency to shy away from ad-hoc claims and theories. That's admirable.

 

 

Any one have alternatives or other answers? If so will have a round of counters/correspondence with each other's responses to the questions. Then, we will go another round with questions in a cycle.

[HeavensChampion]

 

 

 Makes sense. My inner villan has always told me, that Sally would be the easiest to sway to the dark-side via a series of morally questionable decisions in the name of the greater good.

 

 "I sense great hate in you, young Acorn..."

 

 Sounds like Sonic is please with that fact. *rubs hands together* "Good...good..."

 

 

Personally I'd have no qualms with offing Robotnik either. I really think Sally is the one more capable of killing than Sonic; while she seems to be the most stable and rational, she is actually emotionally fragile. I could just imagine what would happen if something happened to Tails and she witnessed it... it wouldn't be pretty.

 

I think Robotnik would be terrified. But I think he would also eventually get angry that someone had the gall to attempt to kill him.