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[TheRedStranger]

Without all of the bone marrow that is missing I bet she'd have to be careful if she was cut; she could possibly bleed to death with only a fraction of the normal blood loss. I almost made mention of that in my story.

 

 She could very well need Marrow-Transplants...

 

 Funny enough, you know who Bunnie reminds me of character-throughline wise? Darth Vader. 

[TheRedStranger]

Vader more. Grevious was... undercooked.

 I think you see my case here real well, listen to the parts Jensarri brings out about Vader in his Youtube Videos. http://www.youtube.c...1?feature=watch

 

Bunnie, being a form of Leporidae,  would be natural dexterous. I would imagine an 100% organic Bunnie to be bouncy and acrobatic ground fighter, with powerful kicks and higly evasive techniques. Her muscle memory and nuerology has been dictated by her nature and probably her engrained stratagem in her early career as a Freedom-Fighter. She would be like Beethoven gone deaf...she would have retool her own nature and fighting methodology/mindset to be considered anything but an invalid let alone an amazing brawler and a part of the Freedom-Fighter A-team. EoT goes in detail with this.

 

 That makes her an awesome character in my book.   

[E122Psi]

 

 

That makes her an awesome character in my book.

 

I think she is a universal favourite amongst SatAM fans; I haven't heard of a Bunny hater.

 

Most Sonic fans, even those against the Freedom Fighter interpretations, tend to like Bunnie or are indifferent to her. Granted part of this is down to the fact that she was sadly too underplayed in both the show and the comics a lot of the time to really be that offensive (hence usually the worst complaint she gets is that she's kinda bland). Most people think of Sally or Antoine, the two spotlight stealers when they think of Satam.

 

Concerning her robotocization, it's actually one of the few things I didn't actually think deemed much explanation (which is really saying something considering how I usually am), since the process is made by turning flesh into cybernetics, it seemed like there was leaway for the metal part to evolve or grow unnaturally. After all, the machine was made by Chuck for benevolent purposes, and was intended for only partial usage to heal injuries. The whole free will part seemed the only thing he had problems with (well that and being dumb enough to leave out open for less scrupulous hands to get hold of).

[Captain Sorzo]

 

Concerning her robotocization, it's actually one of the few things I didn't actually think deemed much explanation (which is really saying something considering how I usually am), since the process is made by turning flesh into cybernetics, it seemed like there was leaway for the metal part to evolve or grow unnaturally. After all, the machine was made by Chuck for benevolent purposes, and was intended for only partial usage to heal injuries.

 

It was the comics that described it as a means of healing injuries. In SatAM, Uncle Chuck designed roboticization to extend the lives of the elderly, people who were already fully grown. Moreover, there's no evidence in the show to suggest that the roboticizer was designed with partial usage in mind. As such, it's entirely possible that Uncle Chuck did not factor in growth when designing the process, as it would only be relevant when used in an unintended manner on an individual outside the targeted demographic.

 

They would undoubtedly be heavier than they were when they were organic, so getting used to the weight, especially on her left side would definitely be a challenge to overcome.

 

Not necessarily. The Sally doppelganger in "Sonic and Sally" clearly weighed roughly the same as the original Sal, as Sonic was able to carry her without noticing anything amiss. While that wasn't a case of a roboticized individual, it opens up the possibility of metal body parts weighing the same as their organic counterparts.

[TheRedStranger]

 

 

Concerning her robotocization, it's actually one of the few things I didn't actually think deemed much explanation (which is really saying something considering how I usually am), since the process is made by turning flesh into cybernetics, it seemed like there was leaway for the metal part to evolve or grow unnaturally. After all, the machine was made by Chuck for benevolent purposes, and was intended for only partial usage to heal injuries.

 

It was the comics that described it as a means of healing injuries. In SatAM, Uncle Chuck designed roboticization to extend the lives of the elderly, people who were already fully grown. Moreover, there's no evidence in the show to suggest that the roboticizer was designed with partial usage in mind. As such, it's entirely possible that Uncle Chuck did not factor in growth when designing the process, as it would only be relevant when used in an unintended manner on an individual outside the targeted demographic.

 

They would undoubtedly be heavier than they were when they were organic, so getting used to the weight, especially on her left side would definitely be a challenge to overcome.

 

Not necessarily. The Sally doppelganger in "Sonic and Sally" clearly weighed roughly the same as the original Sal, as Sonic was able to carry her without noticing anything amiss. While that wasn't a case of a roboticized individual, it opens up the possibility of metal body parts weighing the same as their organic counterparts.

 

 

Yes Sonic, even with his enchanced physiology, would notice weight the difference. So the synth was probably no heavy-weight.

 

 Yet Bunnie is a regular grunt work Robian model meant for heavy duty work or perhaps even combat , not a synhthoid designed for espionage. 

[RedAuthar]

None of the Robians were designed for anything but labor. Robotnik had other forces for that

[Mike Arcade]

It makes me wonder "why not having Robian Armies?". I mean I highly doubt Sonic would even try to smash a Robian like a regular SWATBot, having enslaved people as worker drones while the bots not born from living beings are used as his own personal army, is it just me or did Robotnik have it backwards? I mean they did modify parts for Bunnie and stuff, putting new screws in all the time, why didn't Robotnik Weaponize Robians as his own personal army? After considering how effect The SWATBots really are (which isn't that much) that does show how short sighted Robotnik really was.

[RedAuthar]

I always thought of it as Robotnik actually is unable to run the planet on his own, and to keep All his factories pumping he can't spare the work force.

[TheRedStranger]

I always thought of it as Robotnik actually is unable to run the planet on his own, and to keep All his factories pumping he can't spare the work force.

 

But the Freedom Fighters are a localized cell of Guerilla fighters, I am sure it can be done. 

 

 My idea is that it's similar to hypnotism. When you try to get a person who in a hypnotized state to do something against their moral code they always fight back. When Robotnik pushes them into using more "stressful" sub-routines like those of security and invasion it leaves the Robian open to rerealizing his humanity. For example, Chuck when forced into hostility by his programming lead him to be easily coaxed out of his mental enslavement (that and Sonic shocking him back to reality in a sense). One theroy proposed by Chuck in EoT us that the Ferrite-Field does not effect all organic tissue in your body. That sizable amounts of the nervous system remains engrained in the circutry like that of prefrontal synapsus are left for higher functioning and nueroplasticity while the lower brain stem is further engrained in the machinary, hence why the programming effects the will though not their awarness. Robians that have been shocked actually swear that they can even feel pain still. Since nuerons need nutrients it could also why Chuck "ate" that Chilidog once, but that is stretching it. I think Robians still have needs, hence why there is still so much industry. Robotnik's odd economy of resources is not self-sustainable in the least and niether are Robians. In Eot they need "Violet Vile" (the stuff in Chemical Plant zone) to survive. Violet Vile is a liquid refrigrant and anti-freeze that keeps important mechanisms from overheating, especiall while overclocked for certain procedures. Violet Vile is actually a contested resource in the Casino Zone as a needed resource for Robians and a recreational drug to Mobians, and one episode deals with the stuff in extensive detail. They also need lubricants like motor oil. Repair parts. And ocassional "vitapacks", an invasive procedure that hook into the remaining nerves engrained in the "nuerocircutry."

 

 The use of Robians as a terror weapon is explored as well. But I will leave that for you guys to read on your own.

[E122Psi]

This sorta brings me to another query, in Sonic Conversation, Chuck explains the whole status of a robian, apparently being in a state of living death where they are aware of everything they do but can't control it...in the most nonchalant and jovial manner possible. How can Chuck have really lasted an entire decade this way without coming out completely shellshocked and traumatized from everything he's been put through, or even having slight teething problems controlling his own body again?

[Hammer]

I think that it was said that way to make it a little lighter for kids.

Besides, it would be fair for Chuck to say it that way, if we count that he thinks that he'll never be that way again.

[E122Psi]

I think that it was said that way to make it a little lighter for kids.

Besides, it would be fair for Chuck to say it that way, if we count that he thinks that he'll never be that way again.

I could argue if they wanted to keep it lighter they should have kept it at brainwashing.

 

While I usually feel Satam handled the whole 'dark Sonic' style better, I think that was a rather point they were clearly trying to be more shocking and grim than they could really handle, especially given how completely superfluous that conversation was (it's also something that has plagued the comics as a result, I'm wondering how Ian will handle Sally's reaction to her very torturous treatment under the process).

[Hammer]

Well, I'm not sure about Sal, but

Spoiler

did she turn into a robot in the rebooted timeline too? I thought she didn't.

[LogiTeeka]

Well, I'm not sure about Sal, but

Spoiler

did she turn into a robot in the rebooted timeline too? I thought she didn't.

She didn't. The text to her appearance in issue 252 says she's no longer a robot, implying that the events never occurred in the rebooted world.

And in "Worlds Collide", Tails has no recollection of Mecha-Sally when Sonic brings it up; though it might've been due to the Genesis Wave. But since the rebooted Mobius is implied to be the same world seen in the previous Genesis Wave (where Tails clearly met Sally and the rest), it makes one wonder.

[TheRedStranger]

This sorta brings me to another query, in Sonic Conversation, Chuck explains the whole status of a robian, apparently being in a state of living death where they are aware of everything they do but can't control it...in the most nonchalant and jovial manner possible. How can Chuck have really lasted an entire decade this way without coming out completely shellshocked and traumatized from everything he's been put through, or even having slight teething problems controlling his own body again?

Let's work with this for a second, Let's take Sonic's kiddy gloves off an imagine we can do whatever we want that scene for realisms sake. Remembering the nature of the situation and characters in context how would it go?

[RedAuthar]

What about Bunnie?  She's only partially Roboticized, so if the other Robians can't control their bodies, what makes here able to control her limbs? 

[TheRedStranger]

What about Bunnie?  She's only partially Roboticized, so if the other Robians can't control their bodies, what makes here able to control her limbs? 

 

Central Nervous system is still intact.  And remember what I just said about nuero-circutry. This is one of my cases for it. Bunnie can use her limbs, so their must be some form of inteconnection. It could very well be a throw back to it being a medical-marvel.

 

 Why hasn't The Ferrite-Field been condensed into some form of weapon a marksman can you use, a "Roboticizor-ray" is you will?

[E122Psi]

 

This sorta brings me to another query, in Sonic Conversation, Chuck explains the whole status of a robian, apparently being in a state of living death where they are aware of everything they do but can't control it...in the most nonchalant and jovial manner possible. How can Chuck have really lasted an entire decade this way without coming out completely shellshocked and traumatized from everything he's been put through, or even having slight teething problems controlling his own body again?

Let's work with this for a second, Let's take Sonic's kiddy gloves off an imagine we can do whatever we want that scene for realisms sake. Remembering the nature of the situation and characters in context how would it go?

 

I can't really see it being done realistically without depicting a very morbid level of trauma from Chuck that would probably have been a permanent scar on his character, likely making him a MUCH darker character (even worse when you consider the undetermined guilt he may have had from accidentally submitting more than half the world to the same fate in his carelessness). Needless to say he wouldn't have been the jovial wise cracking uncle we saw in the series.

 

Brainwashing was workable within the realms of a kids show (and seemed canonical to how his robot form acted in Season One), self aware living death seemed clear mature material.

[Hammer]

Brainwashing was workable within the realms of a kids show (and seemed canonical to how his robot form acted in Season One), self aware living death seemed clear mature material.

Then again, why would they add that line and throw Fridge Horror into the series?

[E122Psi]

 

Brainwashing was workable within the realms of a kids show (and seemed canonical to how his robot form acted in Season One), self aware living death seemed clear mature material.

Then again, why would they add that line and throw Fridge Horror into the series?

 

I think one of Hurst's most harmful directions was how much he overplayed trying to make Robotnik to be this super dark and evil villain, which at times came at the cost of ridiculous Villain Balls and breaking the suspension of disbelief somewhat to look pretentious. Making robotocization more horrific would of course boost his evulz, even if it broke the story and characterizations a little.

 

His plans for Season Three screamed this issue. His origin for NICOLE just seemed this rather overzealous attempt to make a super vile Kick The Dog moment for Robotnik, with the actual plot flow only half thought out. He didn't even know how Robotnik would pull this Villain Ball and we end up with the current status quo, he just dwelled over how super sadistic and dark a plot device it was.