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@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 10:10 PM)

on*

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 10:10 PM)

Red said he couldnt get one

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 11:25 AM)

Also I still have to figure out how to set up our e-mail accounts on the new host.

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 08:19 AM)

As soon as I figure out how to restore it. Sorry, I know I said it'd be done by now, but I didn't expect to have to put up with this DNS crap and other issues that popped up.

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

So when's the black theme coming back??

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

"Should"

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 07:27 AM)

That DNS took longer to propagate properly than I thought it would. *Now* we should be back for good, though.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:48 PM)

Or it might be because Bluehost *finally* got around to that server wipe (one week after we'd asked for it) and that wiped out our DNS settings. I'm not sure which and I don't really care. In any case, we've severed our last ties with Bluehost, so this will not happen again.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:08 PM)

Looks like Bluehost yanked our DNS since our hosting account expired. That's why the site went down a while ago. But as you can see, it's fixed now.

@  Misk : (23 July 2015 - 04:55 PM)

No, they do not.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 04:27 AM)

The goggles do nothing?

@  Misk : (22 July 2015 - 05:50 PM)

My eyes.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 12:24 PM)

Looks like forum uploads might have been broken since last night. That should be fixed now too.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 01:33 AM)

Heh, whoops! Server went down for a few mins when I borked the config. Looks like it's back up now.

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 09:09 PM)

It looked like a napkin

@  ILOVEVHS : (21 July 2015 - 09:04 PM)

Fan-fuckin-tastic.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:25 PM)

As for the beaver picture while the forum was down, I think Tim drew it. On a napkin.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:24 PM)

No kiddin' about that "Finally!", Shadow. I am *so mad* at Bluehost for never responding to our support ticket. I submitted it early Friday morning and they *still* haven't answered it!

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 06:37 PM)

Maybe he did that himself

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:25 PM)

Say, who made the cute picture of Beaver Chief?


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Posted 02 October 2013 - 12:13 AM

IT'S QUESTION TIME!!!!! But not from the Stranger, THIS TIME Mike Arcade's gotta a question for all of you!

 

As much as I like SatAM, I do gotta wonder what if? What if instead of the SatAM we got we instead got the Early SatAM (Example Here:http://sonic.wikia.c...edgehog_Cartoon) or a SatAM based on what was in the SatAM Bible (Example Here:http://www.sonicsata...ind-the-scenes/)? How would that have effect the future of the Sonic Series as a whole?


Seriously, HOW THE HELL did nobody know that Robotnik was evil!? I mean just look at those red, glowing, hellish eyes, oh yeah I can completely trust that guy with my life! *sarcasm*

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 03:06 PM

One of the things that led to the shows cancelation was due to a lower budget, competition from WB, FOX, Disney and Marvel, and a new President that didnt support the show. IF SatAM had a higher budget and the backing it deserved/needed, how much better would SatAM have faired.


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Posted 02 October 2013 - 05:58 PM

 

One of the things that led to the shows cancelation was due to a lower budget, competition from WB, FOX, Disney and Marvel, and a new President that didnt support the show. IF SatAM had a higher budget and the backing it deserved/needed, how much better would SatAM have faired.

 

I really don't think a higher budget would've made that much of a difference; the new ABC programme director had it in for the show, heck if you listen to Ben Hurst they were getting ready for a third season when they pulled the rug out from under them.

To be honest I think a better time slot that it didn't share with other "hot" shows and if it wasn't preempted so often by sports programming would've helped out more. But like I said, it sounded like the new management had it in for it anyway.

 

Considering ABC has had a history of Canceling Shows when they don't meet the head director's "popularity standards" it isn't surprising.  

 

If the show requires effort to make, it isn't worth funding unless it's the most popular show out there.  That's just the way they rolled.  

 

Many shows such as the 1960's Batman, Sonic SatAM, and even Gargoyles, were all canned because they weren't popular yet have huge followings.  Why?  Because ABC doesn't like to spend money to keep their shows running.  Effort is just too expensive. 



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Posted 02 October 2013 - 08:04 PM

 

 

 

One of the things that led to the shows cancelation was due to a lower budget, competition from WB, FOX, Disney and Marvel, and a new President that didnt support the show. IF SatAM had a higher budget and the backing it deserved/needed, how much better would SatAM have faired.

 

I really don't think a higher budget would've made that much of a difference; the new ABC programme director had it in for the show, heck if you listen to Ben Hurst they were getting ready for a third season when they pulled the rug out from under them.

To be honest I think a better time slot that it didn't share with other "hot" shows and if it wasn't preempted so often by sports programming would've helped out more. But like I said, it sounded like the new management had it in for it anyway.

 

Considering ABC has had a history of Canceling Shows when they don't meet the head director's "popularity standards" it isn't surprising.  

 

If the show requires effort to make, it isn't worth funding unless it's the most popular show out there.  That's just the way they rolled.  

 

Many shows such as the 1960's Batman, Sonic SatAM, and even Gargoyles, were all canned because they weren't popular yet have huge followings.  Why?  Because ABC doesn't like to spend money to keep their shows running.  Effort is just too expensive. 

 

 

Boy, is that the truth!

 

Bad bureaucracy is the biggest reason we can't have nice things... *Stares angrily at the white house*. Also if you study the history of ABC it will make you cringe...it's infamous for being both schlocky and subversive. I have been reading about the history of television in Ben Shapiro's Prime Time Propaganda, and ABC and it's higher ups have always been shady.

 

  Yeah Power Rangers was the biggest culprit for stealing watchers...that show was as "hot" as ice in all regards but its mere contemporary popularity. I remember being around five while watching this show and experiencing for the first time what its like to have my intelligence insulted. It was stupid and it made me feel like the whole world around me was stupid (and that was when I was five). Seriously that show was the cream of the crap-crop: flat story, trite to nil in subtext, and mind-damagingly two dimensional. For example, Bulk and Skull's characters are bullying’s answer to Birth of a Nation. They are given no clear and cogent reason why they act the way they do, they just are just walking cliché’s, not people. By the way who was the genius that thought they should mix Saved by The Bell, corny kung-fu movies, and Godzilla together? Satam had so much more humanity, yet sadly that is something the new management of DiC wanted to deprive us kids thereof for a "clean slate" of....of...you know, I can barely even remember any good cartoons that came in the wake of Satam from DiC (Underground xD )You know, a Saturday morning cartoon/show (if written well) can influence, give moral and intellectual insight to, and inspire kids. Children are a prime audience to bestow such gifts of encouragment to; after all, they are our future. But it seems mindless fecal-paste like the Power Rangers (narrative junk-food, the MSG of childhood schlock) ironically because it's more "profitable." Don’t get me started on the movies…(Power Rangers Turbo in particular).

 

 

 Think of shows like Gargoyles, Batman The Animated Series, Satam, and all those shows that were sensitive yet honest to kids about both the lighter and the darker parts of the human condition. They did more, were bolder, they took more dramatic risks as well as made us laugh, and because of such they were more entertaining and memorable! Where stuff like Power Rangers probably set back kids, shows like Satam gave them cool concepts and morals to think about.

 

 I recently discussed with my father, a pastor, about how media influences our morality (the way we belive we should live and perceive aspects of life). He actually spoke real fondly of movies, comic books, and shows like the latter. He said when he was little and raised in a non-Christian and rather unhinged home that many shows and comics taught him about how he and others should be to one another, and what happens when we make bad decisions. His parents (his negligent mother way more than his hard working father) didn't properly fulfill that basic need. When he was young these narratives gave him hope and gave him moral insight. There was just enough truth in some of those stories to make him look passed an emotionally abusive mother and his current situation. Later on, as he began to grow he continued on with what those stories taught him and began to study the issues in a more mature manner (and that's probably a decent portion of the reason why he is what he is today). Because he watched Tom Baker's 4th Doctor debate whether it was right to kill all the Daleks (Genesis of The Daleks), seeing Luke Skywalker seek redemption for his father and not giving into hate in Star Wars, and the interplay of logic (logos), leadership (ethos), and passion (pathos) between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy in Star Trek, he saw all the possibilities of life outside his own miserable home life and had the encouragement to rise above his origins, much like Luke the farmboy became Luke Skywalker the Jedi. For years my father has helped several people as a pastor and a solider. He’s a friend to many and tends to soldiers that have been mentally wounded by war, and he is also logistics manager for the U.S Army (he makes sure our boy’s overseas have the supplies they need to survive and thrive).  He also gave me an excellent home life that he didn’t have.  

 

 I guess what I'm trying to say is that even things people deem as "kids stuff" can have a big impact on individuals. Just in the way you are accountable to what you say with your mouth, you’re accountable to what you say with your pen. There's much truth to find in well written fiction. And these big-wigs and small time writers alike need to realize the impact they can have on children – so we all better do this thing right, ‘cause we can’t afford to steer them wrong.

 

 Shows like Satam dealt bravely with loss (losing Uncle Chuck to the Roboticizor), standing up against injustice, the meaning of freedom and the need to fight for it, using your reason to solve problems (Sonic having to save Sal without his powers) , and the interesting moral dynamics of industry and humanity (as I have mentioned in a previous post). Though it was a “kid-show” it had a lot to say and more to say than most kid shows at the time. And when you got older, I am sure the light bulb went off and you stared mulling over its morals more deeply (probably around the same time the subtle adult jokes started making sense  xD ). It was a fun, fast, and exciting show but it was also edifying.

 

 That’s why I am glad it’s being continued via Sea3on, and now without a bunch of mindless meddlers in three piece suits it can take even more risks (and has, Sea3on really grows the series up alongside its original audience) . In a world with goofy kid shows like (well there’s so many, I challenge you dear reader to give me one in your following posts; feel free to rant about how bad it is compared to Satam - go ahead and fill in the blank madlib-style) ______ , you think there would be an outcry for more honest and edifying kid's shows like Satam. 



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Posted 04 October 2013 - 12:34 AM

 

Question 1: During the escape Cat lures the 'bots away from the fleeing Sally and Antoine. Why didn't Sally notice that Cat was gone, and when her and Ant stopped at the at the regroup area they seem to not care about their missing comrade. Not only that, but when Sonic brings it to their attention they still don't seem to show any concern. Why is this? Which leads into question 2:

Likely this isn't the first time Freedom Fighters got separated while escaping.  Also they probably did notice but couldn't go back for him.

 

Question 2: When Sonic proclaims that he is intending on rescuing Cat both Sally and Antoine still aren't worried for his welfare and not only that Sally says that she intends on going into the swamp to look for her father instead. Does this show her as a bad leader with tunnel vision? Wouldn't it make more sense to first save Cat and then go looking for The King with a proper expedition? I mean, he's been wherever he is for ten years and waiting a day or so wouldn't change anything.

If your father that was missing for ten years who you thought was dead might be at a certain place, would you logically wanna wait?  Sure it isn't the most logical choice, but it isn't a case about logic here.  Sally isn't perfect either, she can make the wrong decision. 

 

Also combining the two questions, the King was likely on Sally's mind so she wasn't paying attention to Cat when he disappeared.  Antoine....well likely he was checking Sally's butt out.  xD

 

 

Question #3: After being taken before Dr. Robotnik Cat is threatened by Robotnik saying that he has "amazing machines" that can "do" things... What was he referring to was he intending on taking the information via some sort of robotization like process or is does he mean old fashioned torture?

Threats.  He is threatening Torture to test Cat's willpower.  Likely he wants Cat to sweat it out as kind of a mental torture.

 

Question #4: When Sonic finds Cat in the cell Cat informs Sonic that Robotnik's surveillance has picked up Sally. How did Cat find this information? Is it standard procedure to inform captives of up-to-date intelligence?

My guess is a Priority One Freedom Fighter interrupted Cat and Robotnik's "chat".

 

Question #5: Cat tells Sonic to not worry about him and help Sally. Why didn't Sonic at least break open Cat's cell? In the previous scene we saw Sonic spin-dashing through doors; it wouldn't take but a second to give Cat a fighting chance to get out.

You forget Cat is old.  Likely Sonic could escape but Cat would have gotten gunned down.  

 

Question #6: Why did Sally wait until she had been slogging along for what appears to be a great deal of time before asking NICHOLE about any structures in the swamp and only ask after Antoine of all people asks where they are going?

....yeah that one was just.....

 

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What the heck Sally?!  You even knew what the place was.

 

 

Question #7: Now, I could go on and on about how Sonic Boom and Blast to the Past contradict each other. Just to make it simple, how would you explain away the fact that The King left this trail of messages for Sally and parts of his cape behind when Robotnik overthrew him in a surprise blitzkrieg and made The King do "The Time Warp" in The Void? (I couldn't pass up the Rocky Horror reference seeing as Tim Curry being in both casts!) Again, I have my own personal theory that I will wait to tell.

 

Likely when Sonic and Sally went to the past history changed. 

Also possible is that the message was recorded ahead of time and Sally only found it long after it was intended to be found.

 

 

Question #8: Was Ironlock really built in 1543 AD? Or was it by another calendar? Also it was abandoned 100 years ago, does this mean that Mobians have been using a structure that exists in our time?! And who was it that was being held in that prison a century prior?

I got nuthin.  I don't really consider Mobius Future Earth so....

 

 

Question #9: Why was there a booby trap in front of the computer that drops people into the sewer? Wasn't this a prison cell meant to keep prisoners locked up?

Likely to avoid having escaping prisoners access to the computers.

 

Question #10: I believe that it has been covered before in this thread, but who built the robotic alligator and what's its purpose?

Moat Monster.  Guard Dog.  Likely designed to scare people from escaping. 

 

Question #11: What became of our honorary Redshirt Cat? Killed, Robot, or something else?

That's what I'd like to know.  I'm a sucker for expanding Minor characters' backstories.

 

Question #12: Where did Sonic procure that spy orb?

I don't know when he picked it up, but likely he snagged one after he found out Cat was gone.

Support for this is he tells Robotnik the StealthBots' destruction was for Cat.

 

Question #13: Finally, since when is sabotaging four stealthbots such a big victory and recompense for a lost comrade? (Cat) What's stopping Robotnik from just building more and doesn't it stand to reason that he has more that just four of them?

 

Five.  Sonic killed one on his own.

 

Likely because the Freedom Fighters did defeat all 5, Robotnik deemed their design inferior to their intended purpose so decided to not waste time remaking what the Freedom Fighters already could defeat. 



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Posted 04 October 2013 - 02:32 AM

 

I forgot about that fifth one! However, we also see stealthbots used in later episodes, why is that?

 
 
Excellent answers!

Modified Models Maybe?  

 

It's also possible Robotnik did keep building them but decided to use them for another purpose.

 

It's also possible that the StealthBots were a modified of another Bot to use stealth.  When the plan failed, the StealthBot was scrapped but the regular version was still used. 



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Posted 04 October 2013 - 09:36 PM

 

 

I forgot about that fifth one! However, we also see stealthbots used in later episodes, why is that?

 
 
Excellent answers!

Modified Models Maybe?  

 

It's also possible Robotnik did keep building them but decided to use them for another purpose.

 

It's also possible that the StealthBots were a modified of another Bot to use stealth.  When the plan failed, the StealthBot was scrapped but the regular version was still used. 

 

 

 

Kat comes back in EoT, Red. I won't tell how or why, but whenever I get to around episode three you'll see it happen. I plan to expand the other minor charcter's quite a bit as well.

 

 We need to remember that Agent Orange stuff, it could be used in future plot lines.



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Posted 05 October 2013 - 01:42 PM

Season 1 is a fan's nightmare when trying to reconcile the canon. I chalk it up to more writers and the lack of an arc.
 

Okay, now on to episode #2: Sonic Boom of my journey into some nagging questions about season 1.
 
Now, this might be the second episode in correct order, however for me it was the pilot not only because it was the first one I saw, but it started what would end up being SatAM. If you watch Sonic Boom closely there is a great deal revealed about Mobius and the cast, which also leads to problems with continuity in later episodes.
 
Question 1: During the escape Cat lures the 'bots away from the fleeing Sally and Antoine. Why didn't Sally notice that Cat was gone, and when her and Ant stopped at the at the regroup area they seem to not care about their missing comrade. Not only that, but when Sonic brings it to their attention they still don't seem to show any concern. Why is this? Which leads into question 2:
 
Question 2: When Sonic proclaims that he is intending on rescuing Cat both Sally and Antoine still aren't worried for his welfare and not only that Sally says that she intends on going into the swamp to look for her father instead. Does this show her as a bad leader with tunnel vision? Wouldn't it make more sense to first save Cat and then go looking for The King with a proper expedition? I mean, he's been wherever he is for ten years and waiting a day or so wouldn't change anything.


I never got the impression that Sally was unconcerned about Cat. Also, no one knew what happened; Sonic just assumed (later we know it was correct) that bots got him. Therefore, with the hero on the job, there was no reason she with Antoine could not move on to searching for her long lost father.

 

Question #3: After being taken before Dr. Robotnik Cat is threatened by Robotnik saying that he has "amazing machines" that can "do" things... What was he referring to? Was he intending on taking the information via some sort of robotization like process or is does he mean good ol' fashioned torture?

 

I concur with old fashioned enhanced interrogation techniques.

 

Question #4: When Sonic finds Cat in the cell Cat informs Sonic that Robotnik's surveillance has picked up Sally. How did Cat find this information? Is it standard procedure for Robotnik to inform captives of up-to-date intelligence?

 

I suspect during interrogation the report came to Robotnik, so Cat overheard it. Also, Cat seems pretty wiped when talking to Sonic in the cell. I think this is further proof of torture.

 

Question #5: Cat tells Sonic to not worry about him and help Sally. Why didn't Sonic at least break open Cat's cell? In the previous scene we saw Sonic spin-dashing through doors; it wouldn't take but a second to give Cat a fighting chance to get out.

 

In other episodes, Sonic is not able to spin through locked cell doors. It is one thing to pry open an elevator door, and another to break through hardened iron bars.

 

Question #6: Why did Sally wait until she had been slogging along for what appears to be a great deal of time before asking NICHOLE about any structures in the Dark Swamp and only ask after Antoine of all people asks where they are going?

 

Everyone has a "DUH" moment, even our Princess.

 

Question #7: Now, I could go on and on about how Sonic Boom and Blast to the Past contradict each other. Just to make it simple, how would you explain away the fact that The King left this trail of messages for Sally and parts of his cape behind when Robotnik overthrew him in a surprise blitzkrieg and made The King do "The Time Warp" in The Void? (I couldn't pass up the Rocky Horror reference seeing as Tim Curry being in both casts!) Again, I have my own personal theory that I will wait to tell.

 

Beyond a simple timeline change, the King could have, with some help from Naugus, left a trail of bread crumbs from the Void. Naugus was able to drop the Mondarran forgery outside the Void, so maybe the King could transmit information and leave a bit of his cloak behind in a remote area far from Robotnik to help his daughter.

 

Question #8: Was Ironlock really built in 1543 AD? Or was it by another calendar? Also it was abandoned 100 years ago, does this mean that Mobians have been using a structure that exists in our time?! And who or what was it that was being held in that prison a century prior?

 

Who says that the year 1543 is in reference to our current calendar? Whether or not you ascribe to the notion that Mobius is post-Apocalyptic Earth, the 1543 could be based on an entirely different calendar. In fact, if Mobius is a future Earth, it is probable that the base year is the the one when Mobius was "created."

Just my two cents.


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Posted 05 October 2013 - 06:46 PM

Dang it Bytor! *Bites lip, keeping his awnsers in* I have so many awnsers...especially to six. But I can't give them out 'cause they are spoilers for EoT.

 

 Sally's double was a glorified toaster. Memory and the application thereof is as diffrent as one stacking up aa huge pile of bricks and birthing a living being. One is rigid and though vast is by far nowhere as elaborate and  does not contain the profound applicative and idiosyncratic qualities of an organic.  One thing that would give a machine away is it's lack of healing, bio-chemistry, and all the advance nuances of nueroplasticty. That Sally would have been found out fast anyways, the same way people find out Clever Bot. Eventually it would run out of cue cards in the face of new possibities where the real Sally's personality would shine.



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Posted 05 October 2013 - 06:50 PM

Would the Antis/ Evil counterparts worked in SatAM? If so, How?


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Posted 05 October 2013 - 06:53 PM

Would the Antis/ Evil counterparts worked in SatAM? If so, How?

 

Clones would be the best way to go. "Conditioned" by Robotnik to have the same abilites but different personalites. Essentially, darker edgier version of their selves with a Fiona-Fox like backstory where they were broken into being bleak-minded and thus on the road to evil.



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Posted 05 October 2013 - 08:36 PM

 

Would the Antis/ Evil counterparts worked in SatAM? If so, How?

 

I could see them used to help create some distension among the Freedom Fighters, maybe under the direction of The Big Round Guy, but more likely as a wildcard creating hell for both sides. As long as it didn't fall back on the old "evil twin" cliche'.

 

 

 Let's pontificate that cliche. I challange you guys to freshen it up. Foils are important for your hero. For example Batman and Joker are very similar in their eccentricity, socialtal deviancy, mental ability, and troubled psychology but differ in their morality and worldview. Penguin foils more of Bruce Wayne, showing what Batman's "true mask" could become as well - a deep-pocketed corrupt Robber-Baron. They show what a character can become, and what risks there are in the choices they make. There very nature ramps up the tension of the story, because they reflect what the character can become and must fight against. The inner battle is what defines war outside our characters after all... But evil twins are typically deemed as corny  by some, because they are products of lazy writing. You can't just make a copy of a character and make him a two-dimensional evil guy. You gotta give him some depth. And that takes understanding of your protagonist and unique aspects as person, then subverting just some of them to make him dangerous, and more importantly tempting. What do you guys think?    



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Posted 05 October 2013 - 10:46 PM

 

Would the Antis/ Evil counterparts worked in SatAM? If so, How?

 

I could see them used to help create some distension among the Freedom Fighters, maybe under the direction of The Big Round Guy, but more likely as a wildcard creating hell for both sides. As long as it didn't fall back on the old "evil twin" cliche'.

 

If we're meaning Scourge, Shadow, and the like yes.

If we're meaning "Anti-Sonic" and the like no.

 

If we're meaning Metal Sonic and the like....the sorta did that in the episode Sonic and Sally. 



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 10:13 AM

Question #4: The infamous "Funny Kiss," just like the elaborate handshakes is something that apparently Sally does all the time when she meets up with Tails, but again we never see it again or before in other episodes.

 

I can't imagine Robotnik enjoying that while he was listening in on their conversations.

 

Robotnik: *shudder* The things I must do to earn their trust.



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 10:50 AM

Excellent answers, thanks to everyone for their participation!

 

To answer my questions 1 and 2 of Sonic Boom, this is how I view it: Sally is 15 or 16 years old at the time, which means she's not very experienced as a leader and prone to lapses in judgment especially with emotional matters. She is basically the one that the Resistance looks up to, which for a 15 year old running a guerrilla war against a powerful enemy has to be mind breaking. Put yourself in that situation when you were 15 and I bet you would make boneheaded decisions as well. Another point that could be made is that Cat is much older and Sally though he could take care of himself; we really have no idea about what happened prior to this point, but suffice it to say Cat probably had the role of a mentor to a lot of them and taught them a lot about survival.
One final thought before I move on: with how often I've seen Sally being tarred with the "Mary Sue" stick and all of Sally's "perfection" this one instance I have seen those same people use this as an example of how inept of a leader she is. So, which is it? Is she perfect or flawed? The bottom line is there are some people that just will never like the character no matter what.


Anyway, on to episode 3: Sonic and Sally. And oddly enough there aren't too many things out of the ordinary in this episode; if anyone can think of more by all means put them out there!


Question #1: What happened to NICHOLE? The last place we saw her was when Sally was captured; the robot replica never had NICHOLE, nor did Sally for the remainder of the episode. Did Robotnik confiscate her friend and portable computer or did she hide NICHOLE somewhere? Wouldn't this be a dead giveaway for Sally not to be using NICHOLE especially when the garden was attacked?

Question #2: The elaborate secret handshakes. This was one of the main reasons the robot copy got found out; why was it then that we never see this particular handshake before or since this episode but at the same time was so pivotal to the characters' relationships.

Question #3: Why did Robotnik decide to make a copy of Sally rather than just robotisizing her from the start? He tried to have her robotisized a couple of times throughout the episode; why didn't he just use "the new and impoved model" from the start?

Question #4: The infamous "Funny Kiss," just like the elaborate handshakes is something that apparently Sally does all the time when she meets up with Tails, but again we never see it again or before in other episodes.

 

Question #5: Why didn't Sonic realize that she was a robot when he picked it up? Don't you think a metal robot would weigh more?

 

Question #6: Don't you think it's odd that Snively said that he had enough memory to duplicate HUMAN complexity when making a duplicate of a Mobian chipmunk?

  1. My assumption is Sally hid NICOLE.  Though....that wouldn't explain why nobody else noticed.
  2. Actually they do it in other episodes.  Just not as elaborate.  Usually Sonic has a High Five with Sally or Rotor.
  3. He'd still have to deal with the Freedom Fighters if he got rid of Sally.  The Duplicate would have allowed him to destroy them from the inside.  Also it's possible the new and improved model wasn't quite perfected yet. 
  4. We don't really see Tails do important things in other episodes....likely we just aren't seeing it take place.
  5. Considering she had the poser to knock him back with a high five, there really isn't an excuse for that one.
  6. Nope.  I assume he was insulting Mobian Complexity.  "Human Complexity is really Complex.  If the robot can handle that, it could easily handle Mobian Complexity" 


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:58 PM

Okay I guess it's on to the next episode of ponderings of season one: Super Sonic.

 

 

Question #1: I always giggle when I hear Robotnik mention that the Roboticizer is in "Sabotage Mode." While it's a cute little joke, seriously why would someone have a machine with a "Sabotage Mode?" I can see it now: Off, On, Pre-Heat, Sabotage, Clean, Popcorn, Defrost, Bake and Broil.

 

Question #2: Was it jogging his memory or the power of the ring that brought Uncle Chuck to the surface mentally and why did the zombie-robot personality take back over?

 

Question #3: What was it about the giant active energy crystal's removal that would've caused Mobius' ecosystem to be "finished?"

 

Question #4: Uncle Chuck states that Robotnik is using the crystal to replace Robotnik's dwindling oil supply. Now, with Robotnik being a living creature, isn't doing something like destroying the planet's ecosystem just killing yourself? Or maybe Robotnik had no idea what he was messing with?

 

Question #5: What was the dinobot's purpose? And was it a robotisized creature or pure robot?

 

Question #6: With seeing Bunny jam its jaws open does this mean she is metal inside, or is she just strong?

 

Question #7: With them stopping Robotnik's removal efforts and shattering the crystal, our heroes are victorious. But what's keeping Robotnik from gathering up the shards and using them, or did that alter the crystal's properties?

 

Anyway, that's all I can think of at this moment, if anyone wants to to add any more, by all means do so.

Here we go again xD

  1. Robotnik is paranoid.  It could have tons of different functions that don't seem to do anything.
  2. I've got nothin.  
  3. I dunno.  Also wouldn't breaking it cause the same amount of damage?
  4. Robotnik probably didn't care.  Thought he'd be safe enough regardless the damage.
  5. It was a digger.  Likely it dug there to find the Crystal.  My question is why does it try to eat it's enemies if that's how you get in to control it.
  6. Bunnie's arm can can rip through glass like paper and bust open large metal doors.  She's that strong apparently
  7. Again, I'm more worried about the destruction causing the same effect of removing it.  

I mean seriously, it's still gone. 



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Posted 10 October 2013 - 12:37 AM

Question #1: I always giggle when I hear Robotnik mention that the Roboticizer is in "Sabotage Mode." While it's a cute little joke, seriously why would someone have a machine with a "Sabotage Mode?" I can see it now: Off, On, Pre-Heat, Sabotage, Clean, Popcorn, Defrost, Bake and Broil.

 

 Never use the popcorn button!  It does sadistic things to its victtims...*rocks back and forth* he double -buttered them...all of them - it's why he's so fat!  Probably just in case of nueral overide, if the machine was use against him to create a legion of Bunnie Rabbots strengthed Robians with free-will I would have a manual overload switch as well. Since ole Rob wasn't as clever as Chuck he probably had to fudge this cob in this clumsy mechanism instead actually engineering a better system. 

 

Question #2: Was it jogging his memory or the power of the ring that brought Uncle Chuck to the surface mentally and why did the zombie-robot personality take back over?

 

 A combination of both metaphysical empowerment from the ring and Sonic pulling his true-indentity to the surface via evockation through emotional stimulation and memory.  In EoT I explain Sonic has the latent ability to reverse the process due to his powers as a Chaos-Controller  a.ka a Sederian).  He can touch a Robian and shock it back into temporary unsupressed-sentience.

 

Question #3: What was it about the giant active energy crystal's removal that would've caused Mobius' ecosystem to be "finished?"

 

 Robby Nik pulled a Shinran! Again I explain that these crytals are waypoints that mako chaos energy travels through, also at the end of these is where you find the - you guessed it - Shrines to the Chaos Emeralds (except one black-sheep in the family). Sucking up the energy from these waylines  would have been like stabbing a person in the artery and sucking up blood with a straw. It would have taken forever to do damage, but that damage would be all but permenant to the planet. Robotnik won't be trying this again after he learns that it would destablize the emeralds and cuase all forms of disater around the planet which he could easily fall prey to.

 

 

Question #4: Uncle Chuck states that Robotnik is using the crystal to replace Robotnik's dwindling oil supply. Now, with Robotnik being a living creature, isn't doing something like destroying the planet's ecosystem just killing yourself? Or maybe Robotnik had no idea what he was messing with?

 

 He has no idea...and yes it would kill him one way or another. Like I said, he knows better in EoT (how are you pulling this stuff off in your work Red?).

 

Question #5: What was the dinobot's purpose? And was it a robotisized creature or pure robot?

 

 Pure Robot modeld of a dinosuar-archtype. Probably used in the Great War as a fearful death-machine/engineering tool for throughly entreched Iwo-Jima style warfare. with the Warclaws/Overlanders

 

Question #6: With seeing Bunny jam its jaws open does this mean she is metal inside, or is she just strong?

 

Spoilers... I can't say much. Let's just say she's not metal inside (at least not all of her, maybe her bones)  and is super strong.

 

Question #7: With them stopping Robotnik's removal efforts and shattering the crystal, our heroes are victorious. But what's keeping Robotnik from gathering up the shards and using them, or did that alter the crystal's properties?

 

The shards are crystaline growths produced from the mystical energy of the waylines. This was rare area where the mainstream waylines were grown out so strong that they reached acessible areas via shallow mining. Note that powering Robians with this would probably reimbue them with free-will in EoT.

 

Anyway, that's all I can think of at this moment, if anyone wants to to add any more, by all means do so


Edited by RedAuthar, 10 October 2013 - 11:43 AM.
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Posted 15 October 2013 - 05:27 PM

Okay. Let's back track a bit and see if we have some missing question. I think Mike had some good ones about the Satam Bible and Nate Morgan and such, asking how those ideas could have turned out if the show continued on.

 

 Any takers?



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 05:37 PM

Other Overlanders/Humans. Why havent we seen any if they are in it? Also Why no other nations/factions


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