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[jtreese]

Well Rotor appears to be the same, other than being more physically fit and a nicer Max is a welcome in my book

Could this mean we are going back to SatAM's roots when it comes to character personality? If so, maybe Bunnie and Antoine may have never married and Ant might still have feelings for the Sally.

[Uncle Ben]

 

Well Rotor appears to be the same, other than being more physically fit and a nicer Max is a welcome in my book

Could this mean we are going back to SatAM's roots when it comes to character personality? If so, maybe Bunnie and Antoine may have never married and Ant might still have feelings for the Sally.

 

 

I doubt the latter, a lot of fans would be upset about that

[jtreese]

 

 

Well Rotor appears to be the same, other than being more physically fit and a nicer Max is a welcome in my book

Could this mean we are going back to SatAM's roots when it comes to character personality? If so, maybe Bunnie and Antoine may have never married and Ant might still have feelings for the Sally.

 

 

I doubt the latter, a lot of fans would be upset about that

 

Yeah, that's just one of my theories. I actually prefer Antoine and Bunnie as a couple anyway.

[bwrosas]

 

Monday, October 14, 2013

start time : 3:08 PM

 

Now I did another version of this earlier today, and what I'm about to say is something that as fans we need to start considering or at least doing.

 

Ever since the New York comic convention last year. And throughout all of 2013 so far, this fan base has been divided on the character redesigns.  Some love them, some are okay with them, and others just flat out disdain them.  Well I can understand that, but I believe we should focus more outside of the redesigns and/or at least talk about what potentially could happen as a result of this soft reboot.

 

With the redesigns, I can understand that the main problem with them, is not how they look, but how the personalities will portray them.  I believe as a longtime fan, that the personalities of the characters will not change whatsoever, they might have a tweak here and there, but if Ian Flynn says that the characters will be who they are as we know them, then whether we want to believe him or not, we will just have to wait it out and for right now, take his word on it.

 

But as I mentioned above, we need to focus more on what could happen afterwards.  For example, what kind of character development will we get from the freedom fighters, once they come in contact with Nicole.  I mean one of the major things that fans are indeed worried about and understandably so, is Antoine and Bunnie's marriage.  Will it still exist?, Or will be null and void?  You see that is something that I am intrigued about.  Because if Ian Flynn decides to make the marriage and act like it never happened, and possibly the relationship of Antoine and Bunnie as well, to me that would be the wrong thing to do.  Because out of all the romantic couples and relationships in the comic's history, you don't take one that through all the trials and errors and all the ups and downs that several writers took them through for 127 issues and that alone was built up to the marriage in 174, and then add on the 60 issues that came afterwards, plus the four sonic universe issues that they were a part of, and you would be throwing away up to about 190 issues of story and character development.  That is what Ian Flynn would be doing with the Antoine/Bunnie relationship and marriage, just throwing out almost 200 issues worth of character and story development.

 

And that's just one thing that could change as a result of this soft reboot.   Another could be Fiona Fox.  Now I get that storyline wise, she's in the anti-world, but who's to say she still won't be affected.  Think about it, a majority of fans were upset that Ian Flynn turned her bad/antihero in 172, for as some put it no real reason.  Well let's look at it this way, it appears that everything that's occurring in CTC, is taking place between 225 and 230, and perhaps even before that.  And one must wonder, if perhaps Fiona might be softly rebooted back onto the side of good.  That's another thing that I would be intrigued about.

 

And hey, what about factions?  Who's to say that the sandblast freedom fighters and Baron Beauregard's dark Legion didn't switch sides.  Who's to say that the sandblast freedom fighters are not now the sandblast egg Army and who's to say Baron Beauregard's dark egg Legion are  not now freedom fighters.  

 

You see it's stuff like that, that we should be discussing more then our love/hatred for the main cast redesigns.

 

And hey speaking of the main cast, whose to say that fan service will not be part of this soft reboot.  Ian Flynn has proven that he can do just that, heck the comic as a whole throughout its history has proven that.  Who's to say it won't happen more so in the soft reboot.  

I mean, if you want a good example of what potential fan service on a romantic scale could be delivered to us courtesy of this soft reboot, how about Tails/Amy, hey with this soft reboot it could happen.  I mean there are some, if not a majority of fans that want to see Tails have a girlfriend.  And from what they've said about Ian Flynn, perhaps Tails might get hooked up with Amy.  But on the other hand, there's three more choices, they are, Mina, and this is due to the future story arc, as well as  possibly a rebooted and good Fiona Fox, or perhaps what has become the biggest fan supported relationship for our two tailed friend, none other then Nicole.  Now I know some a you might raise your eyebrows about that, but apparently it's one of the most popular fan supported pairings in the Sonic fanbase.  And if Ian Flynn wants to provide some fan service to the fans,, who knows he might make it happen due to this being a soft rebooted continuity.

 

Again it's stuff like this, that I believe we should focus more on, then just the character redesigns.  Because whether we want to admit or not, it seems that these redesigns are here for the long haul.  So I suggest as fans we focus more on the aftereffects of CTC more than the character redesigns.

 

Because when one thinks about it folks, if we keep complaining about the character redesigns, we lose focus on what's really important and that's the story and the continuity that goes with it.  Besides let's remember one thing, nothing last forever.  So we cannot say that these redesigns will be here until the comic is eventually canceled, because when I say long haul, I look at more of a year to two-year maybe three year run, before we get another redesign or continuity event that switches things back to the way they were or changes them more so.

 

So again, I ask as a fellow longtime Sonic fan, let's please try to focus on more of what could happen storyline/continuity wise, then what the redesigns of the characters will look like.

 

I have more to say in my alternate version, which I'm sure a lot of you know of and a lot of you know where to find it, and if you like take your time with it.  But that's all I have to say on the matter right now.

 

God bless and take care.

 

Ending time : 3:42 PM

[Prime]

Yeah, maybe a minor design change here and there won;t hurt anything, like how Sonic gradually changed over the past two decades. But THIS?! Because of this? And now everyone almost looks like Sonic recolors?

 

Oh sure, because when I look at the cast now, I instantly see a red Sonic, or a purple Tails or a yellow Knuckles. I totally don't see the actual characters in a new designs which still looks like them but moving in the direction of looking like they belong in the game universe. Nope! To me, Sally totally looks like a brown Amy Rose.

[RedAuthar]

 

Yeah, maybe a minor design change here and there won;t hurt anything, like how Sonic gradually changed over the past two decades. But THIS?! Because of this? And now everyone almost looks like Sonic recolors?

 

Oh sure, because when I look at the cast now, I instantly see a red Sonic, or a purple Tails or a yellow Knuckles. I totally don't see the actual characters in a new designs which still looks like them but moving in the direction of looking like they belong in the game universe. Nope! To me, Sally totally looks like a brown Amy Rose.

 

Not that Rob'O, Uncle Chuck, Sonic's Parents, the entire Echidna Race, and the Anti-Universe weren't Recolors to begin with.    Heck most of these didn't even have a different color.  

[Uncle Ben]

But Uncle Chuck was original, per say.

[jtreese]

 

 

Yeah, maybe a minor design change here and there won;t hurt anything, like how Sonic gradually changed over the past two decades. But THIS?! Because of this? And now everyone almost looks like Sonic recolors?

 

Oh sure, because when I look at the cast now, I instantly see a red Sonic, or a purple Tails or a yellow Knuckles. I totally don't see the actual characters in a new designs which still looks like them but moving in the direction of looking like they belong in the game universe. Nope! To me, Sally totally looks like a brown Amy Rose.

 

Not that Rob'O, Uncle Chuck, Sonic's Parents, the entire Echidna Race, and the Anti-Universe weren't Recolors to begin with.    Heck most of these didn't even have a different color.  

 

The character you mentioned aren't really recolors, they have unique designs with each character. However, characters may have similarities in looks so they can show the family relation.

[RedAuthar]

Yeah, maybe a minor design change here and there won;t hurt anything, like how Sonic gradually changed over the past two decades. But THIS?! Because of this? And now everyone almost looks like Sonic recolors?

 
Oh sure, because when I look at the cast now, I instantly see a red Sonic, or a purple Tails or a yellow Knuckles. I totally don't see the actual characters in a new designs which still looks like them but moving in the direction of looking like they belong in the game universe. Nope! To me, Sally totally looks like a brown Amy Rose.

Not that Rob'O, Uncle Chuck, Sonic's Parents, the entire Echidna Race, and the Anti-Universe weren't Recolors to begin with.    Heck most of these didn't even have a different color.

The character you mentioned aren't really recolors, they have unique designs with each character. However, characters may have similarities in looks so they can show the family relation.

Comparably, Sally's new design is more original than these slight edit characters. Heck we call Shadow a recolor when he's more different than these guys.

[Louis the Hedgehog]

 

Yeah, maybe a minor design change here and there won;t hurt anything, like how Sonic gradually changed over the past two decades. But THIS?! Because of this? And now everyone almost looks like Sonic recolors?

 

Oh sure, because when I look at the cast now, I instantly see a red Sonic, or a purple Tails or a yellow Knuckles. I totally don't see the actual characters in a new designs which still looks like them but moving in the direction of looking like they belong in the game universe. Nope! To me, Sally totally looks like a brown Amy Rose.

 

*clears throat*

http://anti-archie-s...ition-340074047

You were saying?

[Uncle Ben]

 

 

Yeah, maybe a minor design change here and there won;t hurt anything, like how Sonic gradually changed over the past two decades. But THIS?! Because of this? And now everyone almost looks like Sonic recolors?

 

Oh sure, because when I look at the cast now, I instantly see a red Sonic, or a purple Tails or a yellow Knuckles. I totally don't see the actual characters in a new designs which still looks like them but moving in the direction of looking like they belong in the game universe. Nope! To me, Sally totally looks like a brown Amy Rose.

 

*clears throat*

http://anti-archie-s...ition-340074047

You were saying?

 

 

He was being sarcastic

[LogiTeeka]

*clears throat*
http://anti-archie-s...ition-340074047
You were saying?

I don't think that technically counts, since that's not the attire Amy is known for wearing most of the time. If anything, the sport clothing is more suitable for Sally since Amy's more into the workout/yoga-type sports due to keeping her figure and it involving mysticism (her sorta hobby).

[jtreese]

 

 

 

 

Yeah, maybe a minor design change here and there won;t hurt anything, like how Sonic gradually changed over the past two decades. But THIS?! Because of this? And now everyone almost looks like Sonic recolors?

 
Oh sure, because when I look at the cast now, I instantly see a red Sonic, or a purple Tails or a yellow Knuckles. I totally don't see the actual characters in a new designs which still looks like them but moving in the direction of looking like they belong in the game universe. Nope! To me, Sally totally looks like a brown Amy Rose.

Not that Rob'O, Uncle Chuck, Sonic's Parents, the entire Echidna Race, and the Anti-Universe weren't Recolors to begin with.    Heck most of these didn't even have a different color.

The character you mentioned aren't really recolors, they have unique designs with each character. However, characters may have similarities in looks so they can show the family relation.

Comparably, Sally's new design is more original than these slight edit characters. Heck we call Shadow a recolor when he's more different than these guys.

 

Well let's look at the designs you mentioned:

 

Rob O the Hedge: He may kinda looks like a green Sonic, but his whole "Robin Hood like" outfit begs to differ.

 

Uncle Chuck and Sonic's Parents: Like I said, their designs looks a lot like Sonic's so they can show family relation.

 

Echidna Race: Same idea as above. They look like Knuckles to show family relation. Overtime though, their designs have become very differentiated.

 

The Anti-verse characters: I'll admit, these characters were recolors. All they were were their Mobius Prime counterparts with Leather Jackets. However, when Flynn took over, he changed their designs so they didn't look like regular recolors.

 

How are these design less original than Sally's redesign? Basically all they gave her was a shirt and shorts.

[RedAuthar]

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, maybe a minor design change here and there won;t hurt anything, like how Sonic gradually changed over the past two decades. But THIS?! Because of this? And now everyone almost looks like Sonic recolors?

 
Oh sure, because when I look at the cast now, I instantly see a red Sonic, or a purple Tails or a yellow Knuckles. I totally don't see the actual characters in a new designs which still looks like them but moving in the direction of looking like they belong in the game universe. Nope! To me, Sally totally looks like a brown Amy Rose.

Not that Rob'O, Uncle Chuck, Sonic's Parents, the entire Echidna Race, and the Anti-Universe weren't Recolors to begin with.    Heck most of these didn't even have a different color.

The character you mentioned aren't really recolors, they have unique designs with each character. However, characters may have similarities in looks so they can show the family relation.

Comparably, Sally's new design is more original than these slight edit characters. Heck we call Shadow a recolor when he's more different than these guys.

 

Well let's look at the designs you mentioned:

 

Rob O the Hedge: He may kinda looks like a green Sonic, but his whole "Robin Hood like" outfit begs to differ.

 

Uncle Chuck and Sonic's Parents: Like I said, their designs looks a lot like Sonic's so they can show family relation.

 

Echidna Race: Same idea as above. They look like Knuckles to show family relation. Overtime though, their designs have become very differentiated.

 

The Anti-verse characters: I'll admit, these characters were recolors. All they were were their Mobius Prime counterparts with Leather Jackets. However, when Flynn took over, he changed their designs so they didn't look like regular recolors.

 

How are these design less original than Sally's redesign? Basically all they gave her was a shirt and shorts.

 

Double standard.  Giving Sally a shirt and shorts is bad but essentially giving Sonic a Robin Hood Outfit and suddenly he's acceptable as a new character?  His design isn't even original, it's a parody of a famous legend.  

 

And yes I get it, characters are supposed to look like their family members, but honestly Sonic with a Mustache and Eyebrows is still a terrible characters design.  

 

Also I was comparing these characters to calling the new SEGA-fied Cast SEGA recolors.

[Captain Sorzo]

Bear in mind that when Uncle Chuck was created his primary design was the roboticized version, which adds an extra layer of differences.

[RedAuthar]

Okay let me rephrase:
 

Sally's New Design is more different from the SEGA characters than Uncle Chuck's Mobian Design is from Sonic.  

[Prime]

Bear in mind that when Uncle Chuck was created his primary design was the roboticized version, which adds an extra layer of differences.

 

Unless you ignore his brief cameo in his Mobian form in the pilot episode which we saw in a photo. Plus he popped up in some of the first Archie issues in his regular form.

[Hammer]

Okay let me rephrase:
 

Sally's New Design is more different from the SEGA characters than Uncle Chuck's Mobian Design is from Sonic.  

That's true.

 

I don't think the looks are that important, but the story and how the characters are written. You can always imagine your favourite design while reading: maybe you like those pink/black or brown/blonde designs from the first issues!

[Louis the Hedgehog]

 

Okay let me rephrase:
 

Sally's New Design is more different from the SEGA characters than Uncle Chuck's Mobian Design is from Sonic.  

That's true.

 

I don't think the looks are that important, but the story and how the characters are written. You can always imagine your favourite design while reading: maybe you like those pink/black or brown/blonde designs from the first issues!

 

What if they're not even there at all?

[RedAuthar]

 

Okay let me rephrase:
 

Sally's New Design is more different from the SEGA characters than Uncle Chuck's Mobian Design is from Sonic.  

That's true.

 

I don't think the looks are that important, but the story and how the characters are written. You can always imagine your favourite design while reading: maybe you like those pink/black or brown/blonde designs from the first issues!

 

Actually I am fond of the Blond Sally.  I like her normal design better but I like the blond design too.

 

Pink was well.....Pink.