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@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 11:25 AM)

Also I still have to figure out how to set up our e-mail accounts on the new host.

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 08:19 AM)

As soon as I figure out how to restore it. Sorry, I know I said it'd be done by now, but I didn't expect to have to put up with this DNS crap and other issues that popped up.

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

So when's the black theme coming back??

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

"Should"

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 07:27 AM)

That DNS took longer to propagate properly than I thought it would. *Now* we should be back for good, though.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:48 PM)

Or it might be because Bluehost *finally* got around to that server wipe (one week after we'd asked for it) and that wiped out our DNS settings. I'm not sure which and I don't really care. In any case, we've severed our last ties with Bluehost, so this will not happen again.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:08 PM)

Looks like Bluehost yanked our DNS since our hosting account expired. That's why the site went down a while ago. But as you can see, it's fixed now.

@  Misk : (23 July 2015 - 04:55 PM)

No, they do not.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 04:27 AM)

The goggles do nothing?

@  Misk : (22 July 2015 - 05:50 PM)

My eyes.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 12:24 PM)

Looks like forum uploads might have been broken since last night. That should be fixed now too.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 01:33 AM)

Heh, whoops! Server went down for a few mins when I borked the config. Looks like it's back up now.

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 09:09 PM)

It looked like a napkin

@  ILOVEVHS : (21 July 2015 - 09:04 PM)

Fan-fuckin-tastic.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:25 PM)

As for the beaver picture while the forum was down, I think Tim drew it. On a napkin.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:24 PM)

No kiddin' about that "Finally!", Shadow. I am *so mad* at Bluehost for never responding to our support ticket. I submitted it early Friday morning and they *still* haven't answered it!

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 06:37 PM)

Maybe he did that himself

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:25 PM)

Say, who made the cute picture of Beaver Chief?

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:24 PM)

Finally!

@  RedMenace : (21 July 2015 - 05:02 PM)

Woooo! The site's back up! Three cheers for Kef!


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#321 TheRedStranger

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 09:44 PM

 You guys still haven't seen the third option? I'm waiting...

 

 No, Jtrsee, you can't really relate to such if you are a real amputee. I'm gonna ask my best friend (who is one due to a real-life accident) if he can relate to a person who gets super-powers from such a tramatic event. That lawn-mower blade didn't give him much, man...there was no magic deus ex machina to fix him up and make him stronger than before. But overcoming his personal obstacles did. He is one of the most spiritually strong people I know. I think a person like Oracle/Barbra Gordon from Batman is a better model for this type of Character-Arc. A super-powered amputee is kind of insulting - there are none in the real world after all... And the potential message we can get out of this is completely bassakwards to the overall tone we have read in Sonic for all these years: Look! You get to have superpowers if you cut off your limbs and become a cyborg! :/ Is Robotnik writing the comic now? Why hasn't every solider not cyborged themselves yet in the cuase to fight Egghead? They are already risking life, why not a limb?

 

 Please take this in to consideration, before you make another counter-argument. I feel you are not reall thinking my points through. You are making a lot of assumptions rather than arguments. I fear you you want this story to work, rather than admitting it's not...

 

 At least with Roboticization, it is seen as something that is deemed a curse of perversed technology, something unwillfully imposed on people. A half-machine character becomes a symbol of liberation and an arbitor and sign for the cuase of our heros. Also there is potential for that character to have to overcome sociatal conflicts (can we trust her?).  As a person who has a Special Need (I have Aspergers, a high-functioning anuerotypicallity),  the challange of overcoming things imposed on us seems better than an unrealistic applied phelbotinum empowering us instead of finding the power to overcoe a personal challange and then becoming stronger becuase of it happening. Funnily enough, though he is villan, Darth Vader is a great example of this in the book The Rise of Darth Vader.


 

For Bytor: Then the subtext, the spirit, the core, of the Ameican Canon is all but abadoned. I have already discussed the wieght of Satam's story, the words between the lines in the Satam Recontructed thread. Look up where I discussed the subtext of Satam.

 

 To me, Eggman is just another meglomaniac mad-scientist cliche. Robotnik's twisted industrial/modernistic/tolertarian vision of progress under his Big Brotherly regime is flattend to a two-bit Joker clone with a taste for tech that's not allowed spill blood, speak like a real villan, or be a true threat. Roboticization was an amazing way to add tension without throwing to much death in kids faces, and though it was wretched there was always the hope it could reversed and the moral issues that came with fighting those that were enslaved by Robotnik. There was an idealogical weight to the Satam conception of Sonic, it said something to the real world about the fualts of 20th century modernity and the ethical issues of technology and industry potentially damaging individuals, enviroments, and cultures. The subtle but profound message has been all but lost! 



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Posted 28 November 2013 - 09:55 PM

First of all, Bunnie's origin in the comic sucked. She was caught stealing carrots from Robotnik's garden. One that ruins Robotnik's villainous appearance, and two, Bunnie ONLY joined the freedom fighters because Sonic Took pity and rescued her. Just for convienience she learned instantly how to use those robot parts to her advantage. It wasn't until they were REPLACED with cybernetic limbs did Bunnie start having any story out of this.

Second of all, even in SatAM Bunnie's robot parts didn't do anything for her. All we knew is she didn't like them. Ther is no motivation for her character other than to get rid of them. I find it unreasonable to claim SatAM Bunnie had a more motivational backstory when it was non-existent.

Thirdly I fail to see how BEING INJURED to NEAR DEATH being only able to SURVIVE becUse of cybernetic implants is a downgrade. Robotnik is just as dangerous, Bunnie is just as emotionally scarred, and since old Archie continuity made her unable to have them deroboticized anyways how it changes any future developement.

 

I explicitly mentioned that the origin was portrayed during the humor days; many things from those days were subtly retconned as time went on, and that included the impact of past events. Or did the story from issue 37 where Bunnie's nightmare about going fully robotic not happen? (well, NOW it didn't). The idea that she was basically unnaffected by the event and got no mileage out of it until the limb replacement later on is patently false. 

 

And frankly, by the latter argument, does this mean that major events in characters lives are so arbitrary that so long as the effect is the same, it doesn't matter how we got there? Would a reboot of Batman that had his parents gunned down in the crossfire of a gang war be regarded as a worthy adaptation of Batman's origin? There are some things that are just *that* integral to a character that to alter them just takes something away, and this is such a case. Similarly, I would argue that it *does* lesson the personal nature of the conflict, because once again, Bunnie was collateral rather than a target.  

 

I still wonder if Robotitization has been retconned or at least being placed into the far background. Robotnik using flesh and blood and pure robot toadies? And has anyone else taken note that other than those who remember the old timeline remembering Sally being a robot robotization is not being talked about. Unless someone can show me proof that it is still being talked about other than in regards to Sally I think Robotization might be gone with Mobius.

 

I'm gonna bet that no, Roboticization is no longer a thing, given that Chuck didn't use such a device on Bunnie. In fact, its starting to seem that a lot of the elements of the Satam past are either gone or softened. From one flashback it seems that Eggman came into the Kingdom without a Great War to serve as a backdrop, King Acorn's time in the Void (if it was spent there at all) was clearly not all that much of an ordeal, and we have both New Mobotropolis AND Knothole existing simultaneously, with New Mobo being a natural city indicating that they had enough of a safe period to build a brand new city. 

 

And on a lesser note, sad to say, but thanks to SEGA's mandate that the game characters have no families? Pretty much means that Chuck more than likely is not Sonic's biological uncle anymore. 



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Posted 28 November 2013 - 10:12 PM

I still wonder if Robotitization has been retconned or at least being placed into the far background. Robotnik using flesh and blood and pure robot toadies? And has anyone else taken note that other than those who remember the old timeline remembering Sally being a robot robotization is not being talked about. Unless someone can show me proof that it is still being talked about other than in regards to Sally I think Robotization might be gone with Mobius.

No need to worry. It still exists.

My proof: In issue 253, Axel the Water Buffalo mentions a rumor to one of his soldiers that Eggman has somehow got the roboticizer working again, hinting that it was out of commission for a while and might be coming back in full-force soon.

So yeah, the roboticizer is still around. Whether or not it fully roboticizes you is anyone's guess. It could be like Eggman's machine which the Zeti use on Tails in "Lost World", where it only makes them cyborg (similar to how "Underground" depicted it) instead of a complete robot. The threat is still there, just different.

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 10:15 PM

 

I still wonder if Robotitization has been retconned or at least being placed into the far background. Robotnik using flesh and blood and pure robot toadies? And has anyone else taken note that other than those who remember the old timeline remembering Sally being a robot robotization is not being talked about. Unless someone can show me proof that it is still being talked about other than in regards to Sally I think Robotization might be gone with Mobius.

No need to worry. It still exists.

My proof: In issue 253, Axel the Water Buffalo mentions a rumor to one of his soldiers that Eggman has somehow got the roboticizer working again, hinting that it was out of commission for a while and might be coming back in full-force soon.

So yeah, the roboticizer is still around. Whether or not it fully roboticizes you is anyone's guess. It could be like the machine the Zeti use on Tails in "Lost World", where it only makes them cyborg (similar to how "Underground" depicted it) instead of a complete robot. The threat is still there, just different.

 

 

Thanks for the info! That's a relief.



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Posted 28 November 2013 - 10:19 PM

 

I still wonder if Robotitization has been retconned or at least being placed into the far background. Robotnik using flesh and blood and pure robot toadies? And has anyone else taken note that other than those who remember the old timeline remembering Sally being a robot robotization is not being talked about. Unless someone can show me proof that it is still being talked about other than in regards to Sally I think Robotization might be gone with Mobius.

No need to worry. It still exists.

My proof: In issue 253, Axel the Water Buffalo mentions a rumor to one of his soldiers that Eggman has somehow got the roboticizer working again, hinting that it was out of commission for a while and might be coming back in full-force soon.

So yeah, the roboticizer is still around. Whether or not it fully roboticizes you is anyone's guess. It could be like the machine the Zeti use on Tails in "Lost World", where it only makes them cyborg (similar to how "Underground" depicted it) instead of a complete robot. The threat is still there, just different.

 

 

I hope you are right. Thanks for giving me something to hope for. :)

 

Hm...but now we know apparently we got plot hole. If Zlechias is right, then why didn't Chuck use this device in the procedure? Or we to imply her limbs were not merely mangled but blow off? She wouldn't have survived...once a single artery gets knicked you got 30 seconds to stem the flow or your dead. Bunnie being smaller would have less. And the shock and numerous complications would mean death. This happend due to an explosion right? 



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Posted 28 November 2013 - 10:35 PM

 

I could careless about the original origin. You could have gone in a more Satam direction and made something beefy out of this. But then...welp we just get a another 6million dollar man.

Then you're opinion is hypocritical.  If you do not care for the Comic Origin of Bunnie, why care about her new one?  The Comic ISN'T SatAM and everything from SatAM isn't instantly good.  

 

 

They were clunky, unfeeling, ungraceful, numb, unhealing, in need of repair,  and all they had were brutallity. You need to abadon your male psychology for a second as well...think real hard. The counter arguments are in front of your nose.

Nope.  1)  I wasn't thinking of with my "male psychology".  I was thinking as a fan of both Archie and SatAM.  Comparing the two, the new Archie one is more developed more explained, and just as good as explaining who the character is.  Once again you are letting SatAM blind you of something potentially good because it's different.  

2)  I mentioned she hated them.  The reason behind why she hates them is meaningless because nobody said the new story would have more functionality. 

3) In SatAM the only times they malfunctioned were in Sonic and Sally (where it was used as a secondary moral) and the time Rotor Upgraded them, which would until tested not function properly.  

 

 

 You could do the same thing with the concept of Roboticization and get the best of both worlds. Again, I want you to think about this one. The counter arguments are in front of your nose.

Once again you are assuming it's going to be BAD because it's different.  That's a very unfair argument.

 

 

I explicitly mentioned that the origin was portrayed during the humor days; many things from those days were subtly retconned as time went on, and that included the impact of past events. Or did the story from issue 37 where Bunnie's nightmare about going fully robotic not happen? (well, NOW it didn't). The idea that she was basically unnaffected by the event and got no mileage out of it until the limb replacement later on is patently false. 

But that could still work with the new origin.  Just because her Robot parts come from a different origin does NOT mean the effects won't be there.  Yeah this is a bit thinking on the positive side but your argument is thinking on the negative side.  

 

 

And frankly, by the latter argument, does this mean that major events in characters lives are so arbitrary that so long as the effect is the same, it doesn't matter how we got there? Would a reboot of Batman that had his parents gunned down in the crossfire of a gang war be regarded as a worthy adaptation of Batman's origin? There are some things that are just *that* integral to a character that to alter them just takes something away, and this is such a case. Similarly, I would argue that it *does* lesson the personal nature of the conflict, because once again, Bunnie was collateral rather than a target.  

So the Nolan Batman series was instantly bad and instantly ruined the character of Batman because it wasn't the exact same as the comics?

 

How about the Avengers movie, it doesn't match the comic's origin of the team at all.  The only similarity is Loki was the villain.  Heck the team isn't even the same.

 

Bunnie's robot parts switch from being caused by a Roboticizor to being caused by an accident that nearly killed her.  Different origin yes, but that doesn't mean it's bad or will ruin the character. 

 

 

So yeah, the roboticizer is still around. Whether or not it fully roboticizes you is anyone's guess. It could be like Eggman's machine which the Zeti use on Tails in "Lost World", where it only makes them cyborg (similar to how "Underground" depicted it) instead of a complete robot. The threat is still there, just different

More like when they turned Tails into a Robot in StC.  

 

Actually scarily similar. 



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Posted 28 November 2013 - 10:58 PM

 
So yeah, the roboticizer is still around. Whether or not it fully roboticizes you is anyone's guess. It could be like Eggman's machine which the Zeti use on Tails in "Lost World", where it only makes them cyborg (similar to how "Underground" depicted it) instead of a complete robot. The threat is still there, just different

More like when they turned Tails into a Robot in StC.  
 
Actually scarily similar.

Gosh, you're right. I forgot about that.

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 10:59 PM

SatAM might not be perfect, but in my opinion it is the best of the cannons by far. That being said, some stuff Archie has done differently isn't bad and the stuff that they have done bad isn't just because it's different, sometimes it simply sucks.



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Posted 28 November 2013 - 11:05 PM

SatAM might not be perfect, but in my opinion it is the best of the cannons by far.

Okay, don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be here if I didn't Love SatAM.  I'm just saying things different then SatAM aren't instantly bad because they're different.  



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Posted 28 November 2013 - 11:12 PM

 

 

 

And frankly, by the latter argument, does this mean that major events in characters lives are so arbitrary that so long as the effect is the same, it doesn't matter how we got there? Would a reboot of Batman that had his parents gunned down in the crossfire of a gang war be regarded as a worthy adaptation of Batman's origin? There are some things that are just *that* integral to a character that to alter them just takes something away, and this is such a case. Similarly, I would argue that it *does* lesson the personal nature of the conflict, because once again, Bunnie was collateral rather than a target.  

So the Nolan Batman series was instantly bad and instantly ruined the character of Batman because it wasn't the exact same as the comics?

 

How about the Avengers movie, it doesn't match the comic's origin of the team at all.  The only similarity is Loki was the villain.  Heck the team isn't even the same.

 

Bunnie's robot parts switch from being caused by a Roboticizor to being caused by an accident that nearly killed her.  Different origin yes, but

that doesn't mean it's bad or will ruin the character. 

 

Last I checked, Batman's parents were murdered by a lowlife called Joe Chill in an alleyway. They were not, as I put forth, killed in a gangland crossfire. There have been several takes on the precise circumstances of Joe Chill, his motives and his overall character; one version has him as just a desperate thug who panicked. Another has him as a hitman deliberately sent in to murder Bruce's father, with his mother ending up paying the price as well. And a third one had him as an up-and-coming crime lord who murdered and robbed them for start up money.

 

A far greater alteration was in the Burton films, where Jack Napier, AKA the Joker, was responsible for the murder of the Waynes, and it was this that was cause for criticism given that it heavily altered the dynamic of not only that scene, but of the relationsip between Batman and Joker. 

 

And you are quite right; the Avengers movie is not a clone of its comic origin, but the thing is the basic origins of each character is intact. Captain America is still a super soldier frozen in time who was formerly a weakling, the Hulk is still the alter ego of Bruce Banner who had a gamma radiation related accident, Black Widow a defector from Russia turned Super Agent, Tony Stark is IRon Man who jury rigged armor after being taken captive in a War Zone, and so on and so forth. There are changes, but the very basics remain the same. And the main threat faced by the Avengers comes courtesy of Loki all the same. 

 

To say characters must never change is foolish, but certain aspects, repeat, ASPECTS are fairly immutable, and I say this is the case with Bunnie's origin. I'm not railing against changes in general; after Captain Douchebag torpedoed the entire verse in the name of his Ego, that's kind of neccessary. But I'm saying that THIS Aspect of Bunnie's character is one of her defining traits, and the present changes take something away from it. 



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Posted 28 November 2013 - 11:15 PM

 

To say characters must never change is foolish, but certain aspects, repeat, ASPECTS are fairly immutable, and I say this is the case with Bunnie's origin. 

I disagree.  She still got her Cybernetic parts, now rather than being a helpless victim, but gotten them from an injury she received fighting against Robotnik.  



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Posted 28 November 2013 - 11:20 PM

Really? My info came from spoilers on the Mobius Encyclopedia. Please, please tell me that's precisely what happened, that she got it FIGHTING Eggman. I'll take back everything I said if that's the case at least. 



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Posted 28 November 2013 - 11:30 PM

Well I can't...I did assume that bit....

 

But even so, if she was injured in any way would it lessen her character?  All we know is that it was near fatal, and the only way she could survive is through the robotic parts.  How is that any worse than her decision in the original continuity when she picked to have her Robian Parts replaced because it was corrupting her. 



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Posted 28 November 2013 - 11:42 PM

Personally, I kinda hope your interpretation is the right one... the way the wiki worded it made it sound like some rubble fell on her or something. They said precisely 'injured in Eggman's initial attack', with no word of her actually fighting. 

 

And in this instance I would say it does, because under that set of circumstances the personal nature of what happened to her is eliminated. Recall that comparison I made earlier, about the Crossfire versus Joe Chill in the Batman mythos? I feel that this would similarly rob her of a longstanding aspect of her character, even if the end result is roughly the same. 

 

Again though, if its established she went down fighting, then I'll recant my criticism of it and move on... though I still have issues with how this is turning out beyond that. 



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Posted 28 November 2013 - 11:45 PM

And if it DOES ruin her character I'll have issues too.

 

I'm just saying the change itself isn't worth the rage, at least until we see the effects. 



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Posted 28 November 2013 - 11:58 PM

Eeeh, I wasn't so much feeling rage as a kind... tired resignation really. Honestly, I think the thing that bugs me is that its kinda bland by comparison. Sorta like the origin of the Million Dollar Man versus the Origin of Seven of Nine; ones done a million times, the other is done rarely. 



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Posted 29 November 2013 - 12:08 AM

 

 

 Not really...though I am here to make a point not be pointed at. The Archie comics changed their tone to a more serious depth while growing into it's own identity. It learn to favor the more narrative-worthy American canon than the non-exisistance of the SoJ "canon." The origins were akward yes but growth is like that (remember puberty? xD). Archie settled on a more stable identity, though it's incosistancies stem from their hastey publishing rather just sitting down and prewriting out and preparing a more consistant narrative (which was probably not possible, to be fair, given their tight deadlines and push for the product by certain someones, shows in those earlier issues.  They could have fixed it for older fans as well as new here. But they just dropped the ball, missing a great choice for a broader additive choice of synthesis and plurality instead of redefining subtractivly from the lore long-time fans of the SoA canon they are familiar with.  And to say that I am making a Satam Purist argument is simply an oversimplification of my position. If anything I am a progressivist  concerned with narrative quality, if they can trump Satam (which can be done easy given that DiC had limitations the comics don't have (2 season contract) and the comic has years more of brainstorming fan-base to reap reward from) . I am just sickend by the conceptual-gravity being tossed aside by SoJ overlording about and abadoning so much ideas/lore/tone of the American and European canons in general in such a clumsy and uncritical fashion. I find no passion for possibility in the current silly politics and state of affairs, especially when there is an awesome third option you still can't see... I see this all as subtracting from already accepted and beloved substance of what people percieve as Sonic-lore. It might not be bad...but the track record isn't good and the potential trajectory, given the political shoehorning and the narrow commercialistic vision strangling at the overall creativity, and thereby various elements of story. I feel SEGA has fool memticidal on the American canon which ironically popularized Sonic. In a small part this would be ameliorated by keeping Roboticzation as a concept for Eggman to use a terror-weapon in warfare and subjegation from the start and as continual method of control and and established threat to the freedom fighters (though Legionization is pretty frightening as well, yet it doesn't cut to the quick of being buried alive inside your own body, wrapped in a tomb of steel milling about to harm your loved ones). And I just told Jtresse the fullness of my position a while ago. You've jumped the gun mid-conversation and this counter is mostly a limp Argumentum ad homenum and very presumptious of my intentions and views. Go read post 327#. before we discuss this at length. And if you wish to imply me some form of hypocrite, striking about my character instead of polemically entertaining my arguments,  I advise you PM me. The public side of the forum doesn't need such bickering. 

 

 Also note Satam only had two seasons, and Bunnie never got a character-focus episode. I am sure we would have gotten more depth into the pains of the problems in mentioned in 327#. But even that doesn't matter, my point is that the American continuity and lore is suffering under the booted heel of Sega's artistic imperialism and this is showing evidences of milking down narrative. I am like Shadow, Bytor, and many others in this regard, the western fan-base is being spat on. They are taking so much away from people like Bytor. Note I am Dreamcast Era Sonic fan, not a classic. I grew up Shadow being Sonic's rival, not Knuckles. I grew up with Sonic X not Satam (I feel in love with Satam at the age of 20 and it brought me back into the fandom). Even if I had a purial bias, it wouldn't even effect my point. Argumentum ad Hippocratum: just because a person who smokes tells you not to smoke for reasons of health, doesn't invalidate that the reality of smoking being bad for you; in fact learning to sympathize instead of castigating them about their position might do both you and them better in understanding that reality as a whole.



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Posted 29 November 2013 - 08:01 AM

Actually, the Archie comics were the only Sonic series that stuck to the American canon for the longest time. They still kept the setting of Mobius, roboticization still happened, and the Freedom Fighters were still present. Ian was only depicting it similar to SoJ's vision to satisfy Sega, while still keeping many American elements.

Ironically, it was due to a certain American writer's lawsuit which cost the publishers a lot of material which they have kept for years. With most of their original material either gone or currently in limbo, the series is now aiming towards Sega's direction to continue the license.

But on the bright side, everything original to SatAM is still available. This includes the core Freedom Fighters (Sally, Bunnie, Antoine, Rotor, and Uncle Chuck), Robotnik's forces (Snively, Swatbots, and roboticization), minor characters (King Acorn, Naugus, Muttski, and possibly others like Dulcy, Lupe, and maybe Ari), and even locations (Mobotropolis, Knothole Village, and areas similar to Robotropolis). Anything that doesn't contradict the games is safe to use, so the only things in peril are the planet Mobius (though it's not completely dead*) and the SatAM Robotnik due to the presence of Classic Eggman (though they can still use him**).

* = Due to the presence of Mobotropolis and the use of the word "Mobian", it's safe to say the idea of Mobius still lives on. Perhaps it's the name of the land which they live on, and not the overall planet.

** = Julian makes a brief appearance in 252 during a flashback, alongside the Classic Eggman, so they didn't loose him completely. Who knows? If fans can tell the difference between them, he could return as some form of an alternate Eggman sometime in the future.

#339 TheRedStranger

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 07:28 PM

Actually, the Archie comics were the only Sonic series that stuck to the American canon for the longest time. They still kept the setting of Mobius, roboticization still happened, and the Freedom Fighters were still present. Ian was only depicting it similar to SoJ's vision to satisfy Sega, while still keeping many American elements.

Ironically, it was due to a certain American writer's lawsuit which cost the publishers a lot of material which they have kept for years. With most of their original material either gone or currently in limbo, the series is now aiming towards Sega's direction to continue the license.

But on the bright side, everything original to SatAM is still available. This includes the core Freedom Fighters (Sally, Bunnie, Antoine, Rotor, and Uncle Chuck), Robotnik's forces (Snively, Swatbots, and roboticization), minor characters (King Acorn, Naugus, Muttski, and possibly others like Dulcy, Lupe, and maybe Ari), and even locations (Mobotropolis, Knothole Village, and areas similar to Robotropolis). Anything that doesn't contradict the games is safe to use, so the only things in peril are the planet Mobius (though it's not completely dead*) and the SatAM Robotnik due to the presence of Classic Eggman (though they can still use him**).

* = Due to the presence of Mobotropolis and the use of the word "Mobian", it's safe to say the idea of Mobius still lives on. Perhaps it's the name of the land which they live on, and not the overall planet.

** = Julian makes a brief appearance in 252 during a flashback, alongside the Classic Eggman, so they didn't loose him completely. Who knows? If fans can tell the difference between them, he could return as some form of an alternate Eggman sometime in the future.

 

Indeed you bring a good point about the American continuity Logiteeka. Penders really did a lot of harm, yet the Satam base is still there to tap into. The problem is that SoJ is disrespectful to all the hardwork from individuals like Hurst, Madeline Shroder, Tom Kalinski that poupularized their product. If it were up to SoJ Sonic would have fangs, be in cheesy rock band, and have a human love-intrest named Madonna...really. I find SoJ to be an inevitable obstacle to our mutually shared hopes. And the lore of the comics, with a great chance to be revised and expounded upon progressivly, has come of as bland, as Shadow has already put it.

 

 Guys still haven't even guessed that third option for the Rabbo origin...I am disapointed. :(



#340 RedAuthar

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 10:12 PM

That the rabbit half is actually a mutant fungus that is growing out of a robot? 






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