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[Prime]

The Zone Wars had a story where Sonic and Zonic tracked Evil Sonic to the Underground universe.

 

Fully aware of that, but I did say "in recent years". An issue which had a one off Underground story back in 1999 is hardly what I'd call recent.

[ILOVEVHS]

Oh. Sorry.

[DCC]

 

 

It also depends on how you view single.  Likely it means he's not in any relationship, but it could also mean he's just not married.

 
It's a given that Sonic's not married. Flynn wouldn't bother specifying that Sonic was single unless he isn't involved in any form of romantic relationship.

True, but that doesn't mean he isn't in one either

 

 

All true, anyway if it means that Sonic and Sally will never be together again, I will never buy the comic again. Unitl now, I have been open about the changes in the comics, but this will be a deal breaker if it comes to worse.

 

In the right hands, and Sega giving them freedom, I think Sonic and Sally's relationship can be done well.

[RedAuthar]

I think Sonic is allowed to be in a relationship, just they wanna keep it open so there are options.

[Prince ByTor]

I believe that I've said it before, but Archie and Sega need to drop the shroud of crap and let us fans know what's exactly going on and spell out what exactly their restrictions and edicts are. Us fans only getting these ambiguous little sound bites is leading to a lot of damaging theories and conjecture. As consumers of the comic we deserve the facts, that is unless they want all of this fearmongering based on bits of nebulous info they sprinkle about leading to people getting mad and walking away this has to stop.

I really have no clue as to why Archie and Sega are keeping their restrictions secret from the fans, but it is doing not only their fans, but their comic more harm than they realize and could end up blowing up in their collective faces. I mean, I'm not talking about spoiling story lines here, but for them to show some transparency to the consumer; in my opinion if we knew what was going there would be a lot less dissension between the ever-fragmenting fan base.

[jtreese]

I believe that I've said it before, but Archie and Sega need to drop the shroud of crap and let us fans know what's exactly going on and spell out what exactly their restrictions and edicts are. Us fans only getting these ambiguous little sound bites is leading to a lot of damaging theories and conjecture. As consumers of the comic we deserve the facts, that is unless they want all of this fearmongering based on bits of nebulous info they sprinkle about leading to people getting mad and walking away this has to stop.

I really have no clue as to why Archie and Sega are keeping their restrictions secret from the fans, but it is doing not only their fans, but their comic more harm than they realize and could end up blowing up in their collective faces. I mean, I'm not talking about spoiling story lines here, but for them to show some transparency to the consumer; in my opinion if we knew what was going there would be a lot less dissension between the ever-fragmenting fan base.

Well, we are getting Sonic Super Special Magazine #9, which will be giving us info on Sonic's new world, including a timeline. I was private messaging Ian Flynn a couple of days ago about the SEGA family mandate. Here was our conversation:

 

Me:

So, SEGA mandates say that characters can't have family members. Is this true? If so, does it only apply to SEGA characters?

 

Ian Flynn:

Yes to both.

 

Me:

So I have to questions  concerning this:

1. Uncle Chuck: Is he still biologically Sonic's Uncle & is not mentioned as such, or is he not?

2. Mighty and Matilda: Does the whole family thing count for Mighty? It seems SEGA has pushed him aside, and I was wondering if this same rule applied to him too?

 

Ian Flynn:

I can't get into details right now. You'll find out along with everyone else in time.

[Prince ByTor]

Thanks again for letting us know, at least he clarified your first question, but again he seems like he's just giving nebulous answers to the rest when just a simple yes or no would have worked and not spoiled anything story wise.

Personally I still think that he's more or less his Uncle and it really doesn't matter if he is biological or not even though I believe it is. Although almost every other FF called him "Uncle" as well.

 

I'll have to check out Super Special #9 as well; maybe it'll shed some light on the subject. Actually I'm beginning to believe that Ian Flynn might be almost as much in the dark as we are; it's almost like Archie and Sega are making up the rules as they go.

[Uncle Ben]

Thanks again for letting us know, at least he clarified your first question, but again he seems like he's just giving nebulous answers to the rest when just a simple yes or no would have worked and not spoiled anything story wise.

Personally I still think that he's more or less his Uncle and it really doesn't matter if he is biological or not even though I believe it is. Although almost every other FF called him "Uncle" as well.

 

I'll have to check out Super Special #9 as well; maybe it'll shed some light on the subject. Actually I'm beginning to believe that Ian Flynn might be almost as much in the dark as we are; it's almost like Archie and Sega are making up the rules as they go.

 

I dont think he can tell us because if he told us something we would be asking more and more. That and he probably cant say anything cause of his contract.

[Prince ByTor]

 

Thanks again for letting us know, at least he clarified your first question, but again he seems like he's just giving nebulous answers to the rest when just a simple yes or no would have worked and not spoiled anything story wise.

Personally I still think that he's more or less his Uncle and it really doesn't matter if he is biological or not even though I believe it is. Although almost every other FF called him "Uncle" as well.

 

I'll have to check out Super Special #9 as well; maybe it'll shed some light on the subject. Actually I'm beginning to believe that Ian Flynn might be almost as much in the dark as we are; it's almost like Archie and Sega are making up the rules as they go.

 

I dont think he can tell us because if he told us something we would be asking more and more. That and he probably cant say anything cause of his contract.

 

 

That's another reason that Sega and Archie should just come clean; then there would be nothing left to ask and we could just get on with the story.

[Uncle Ben]

 

 

Thanks again for letting us know, at least he clarified your first question, but again he seems like he's just giving nebulous answers to the rest when just a simple yes or no would have worked and not spoiled anything story wise.

Personally I still think that he's more or less his Uncle and it really doesn't matter if he is biological or not even though I believe it is. Although almost every other FF called him "Uncle" as well.

 

I'll have to check out Super Special #9 as well; maybe it'll shed some light on the subject. Actually I'm beginning to believe that Ian Flynn might be almost as much in the dark as we are; it's almost like Archie and Sega are making up the rules as they go.

 

I dont think he can tell us because if he told us something we would be asking more and more. That and he probably cant say anything cause of his contract.

 

 

That's another reason that Sega and Archie should just come clean; then there would be nothing left to ask and we could just get on with the story.

 

 

Couldnt agree more

[RedAuthar]

I think Ian knows more but doesn't have the full story yet. Heck the editor probably don't know everything yet. Only SEGA.

[Mike Arcade]

Does Ian mind that you posted that answer jtreece?

 

Also that kinda sucks, I mean Jules and Bernadette I feel like there could have been a lot done with them, maybe a few adventures even but sad to say I guess their gone now, I'll miss them. Well unless they come back but not as Sonic's Parents...actually, that sounds pretty awesome. 

 

I'll say this though, would have liked to see how Tails' Parents would have been more throughout the story. Amadeus I would have loved to see more of him as he was my favorite of Tails' Parents, he was really there for the little guy and they had a touching and cool scene. Rosemary on the other hand I didn't like, at all really. I mean granted they are both at fault for causing a coop RIGHT AFTER all of Knothole got burned down, but unlike how I think Amadeus more or less redeemed himself to me, Rosemary's work in the counsel made her just as bad as the Sub Freedom Fighters, a weak willed puppet with a bias political view. Still, I'm gonna miss them, although can they be Tails Adopted Parents maybe? I don't know, can that be done? 

 

As for Uncle Chuck and Matilda, I think they'll stay the same when it comes to being related to Sonic and Mighty respectively, maybe there's this unspoken rule with one blood relative per Sega Character or something, I wouldn't mind that really.

 

*Edit* Just remembered Merlin, and Athair for that matter. But mainly here's something about Merlin I just don't get. Just what the hell was his deal? Being a mentor to the Walkers and becoming one himself on this journey or something I get, but why not help the heroes more often? The hell man, I mean is it just more or are the Ancient and Neo Walkers kinda shifty, I mean I get this feeling that they weren't downright evil but would let the world burn if it must because of destiny. I don't know, probably not but Merlin is the shiftiest one of them all to me, I can buy the other two not being active sense one is dead and the other is old and brittle, but Merlin looks pretty good for whatever age he is. Sorry for derailing the topic but that always just bugged me, what was he only interested in powering himself up with Chaos Force and only helped people when it fit his whim? Prick...

[RedAuthar]

I'll say this though, would have liked to see how Tails' Parents would have been more throughout the story. Amadeus I would have loved to see more of him as he was my favorite of Tails' Parents, he was really there for the little guy and they had a touching and cool scene. Rosemary on the other hand I didn't like, at all really. I mean granted they are both at fault for causing a coop RIGHT AFTER all of Knothole got burned down, but unlike how I think Amadeus more or less redeemed himself to me, Rosemary's work in the counsel made her just as bad as the Sub Freedom Fighters, a weak willed puppet with a bias political view. Still, I'm gonna miss them, although can they be Tails Adopted Parents maybe? I don't know, can that be done? 

Honestly while Tails's parents were interesting personalities, they both came across more as "turncoats" in my opinion as all they did seemed to oppose the Freedom Fighters.  

On top of that, I feel their role was better with them not around, as it allowed for Tails's greater connection to Sonic and his Family giving them the Pseudo Brothers feel.  With Tails's parents back on Mobius, and Tails living with them, it seemed more that Tails was just another friend rather than sidekick/partner.  Also since 90% of their return had them not really doing anything, it feels wasted.  Sure they helped set up the Council which became important, but even the Council got ignored more often than not, rather than do anything useful with it's creation.  

Again it wasn't due to them not being interesting, but rather not being fully utilized. 

 

 

*Edit* Just remembered Merlin, and Athair for that matter. But mainly here's something about Merlin I just don't get. Just what the hell was his deal? Being a mentor to the Walkers and becoming one himself on this journey or something I get, but why not help the heroes more often? The hell man, I mean is it just more or are the Ancient and Neo Walkers kinda shifty, I mean I get this feeling that they weren't downright evil but would let the world burn if it must because of destiny. I don't know, probably not but Merlin is the shiftiest one of them all to me, I can buy the other two not being active sense one is dead and the other is old and brittle, but Merlin looks pretty good for whatever age he is. Sorry for derailing the topic but that always just bugged me, what was he only interested in powering himself up with Chaos Force and only helped people when it fit his whim? Prick...

Naw, their just too busy walking...

 

I think the idea is they're supposed to see the bigger picture and don't get involved (example: Zonic saying Sonic must Fight a Robotnik in the Sonic Prime Dimension) because it would only unbalance things.

 

Also considering it is the "Chaos" force, I assume it's completely unpredictable and always could have unforeseen damages and the like. 

[Mike Arcade]

Yeah, you know what it's their fault that stupid council was formed and REALLY screwed things up with the heroes and everything, so much for a better way. Amadeus I'll give some leeway as he just wanted to help the people and granted considering how inept the Acorn Kingdom really is which a lot of people really should have caught on in the first place, but with Rosemary when she ended up in the council, she in part got a madman into the seat of power. Granted Naugus used some mild mind control on all of them but it seemed to effect weak willed people only as the Freedom Fighters were not effected, well it looks like Rosemary wasn't the brightest tree in the forest after all. Acclaimed writer my ass, the only difference between her and the Acorn Kingdom is sans the royalty and give power to the people, I understand where she's coming from but to pull that shit off right after a major blow to the kingdom was just bullshit. We finally get a new king that I don't want to smash with a brick, and Elias barely gets a chance to do anything before assembling this pseudo-democracy with The Prowers because they want change. As a plot point I like it but my god this was set up to fail from day one wasn't it? You can give power to the people some of the time, but not all the time. Especially if 3 of them were inept Freedom Fighters and the other one was a Marxist b***h that saw aliens do politics and thought it was cool. If those 4 are erased from history I'd say justice is served in oblivion, though I wouldn't have minded to see them slaughtered if you ask me.

 

I'll give Zonic a benefit of a doubt sense if Sonic wasn't fighting Robotnik anymore in the comic the story would basically be over, but let me ask you something. If Chaos is so unpredictable how do they know if it's unbalanced in the first place? Come to think of it why The No Zone, who made it and how did the people of No Zone discover The Zones and be the ones to balance things out? Also if The Ancient Walkers were so damn powerful and connected to Chaos how did they not see their deaths coming, why are they even dead if they were so godlike. My guess is that they just get small visions from Chaos itself and can only interpret what they see, even if it may not be the full truth or completely get something wrong, they basically have to trust their instincts at this point and make sure things aren't screwed up and stay the course, if it goes off course they figured who knows what could happen even if it could make things better it has the same chance of making things worse. Like this paradox paranoia thing going on, they can only hope they are doing the right thing and that what they feel is right really is right. Maybe they should have been more open to the Neo Walkers on this if that was the case. For all we know Tails wasn't the chosen one to begin with in the first place, Knuckles shouldn't have died that one time, and King Acorn should have been overthrown a long ass time ago! I get their morals and fears if that's the truth behind the scenes but by doing so the Neo Walkers would have repeated their mistakes all over again and be in that same rut while the world may or may not be slowly burning to ashes. Considering how Silver's future is that might be the case.

 

Man, I like Archie Sonic, I really do but there was so much bullshit going on and half the time the old teams had no idea what they were doing. I'm actually glad for this soft reset and New Prime Zone, people can say what they want and while I would like a glimpse into the Old Prime Zone some time later in the future I'm really thankful for it, because it sure as hell fixes an already screwed up world, probably for the better too. I get that PR stuff like "New and Improved" rubs fans the wrong way but maybe PR has a point.

[RedAuthar]

I agree that the new universe allows them to clean up the chaotic and overpopulated world.  However thus far I haven't seen an improvement, it's still equal. 

[Prince ByTor]

I agree that the new universe allows them to clean up the chaotic and overpopulated world.  However thus far I haven't seen an improvement, it's still equal. 

 

Agreed, but when you really think about it this comic started as an advertizement for SatAM and has had many writers on with varying long-term story line ideas over its 20 year span; there's no wonder the history looks like malaria in a petri dish. Combine that with Sega, Archie, and Penders' interference and it's surprising that there is a cohesive story at all. 

[RedAuthar]

True.  The fact it made it past issue 50 is pretty remarkable.  

[Mike Arcade]

I'll agree with you guys on it not exactly being "new and improved", the whole rant got to me, still it looks like it's gonna be really good.

 

It is amazing how long the comic has lasted though, as good as it can get it could also get pretty damn bad too, how has it lasted for so long? Perhaps the fanbase is dedicated and Sonic appeals to younger readers enough that it has lasted for so long. It has been said that 50 could have also been the ending to the comic, which I wouldn't have minded. It's a crazy comic that's for sure.

[DCC]

 

I believe that I've said it before, but Archie and Sega need to drop the shroud of crap and let us fans know what's exactly going on and spell out what exactly their restrictions and edicts are. Us fans only getting these ambiguous little sound bites is leading to a lot of damaging theories and conjecture. As consumers of the comic we deserve the facts, that is unless they want all of this fearmongering based on bits of nebulous info they sprinkle about leading to people getting mad and walking away this has to stop.

I really have no clue as to why Archie and Sega are keeping their restrictions secret from the fans, but it is doing not only their fans, but their comic more harm than they realize and could end up blowing up in their collective faces. I mean, I'm not talking about spoiling story lines here, but for them to show some transparency to the consumer; in my opinion if we knew what was going there would be a lot less dissension between the ever-fragmenting fan base.

Well, we are getting Sonic Super Special Magazine #9, which will be giving us info on Sonic's new world, including a timeline. I was private messaging Ian Flynn a couple of days ago about the SEGA family mandate. Here was our conversation:

 

Me:

So, SEGA mandates say that characters can't have family members. Is this true? If so, does it only apply to SEGA characters?

 

Ian Flynn:

Yes to both.

 

Me:

So I have to questions  concerning this:

1. Uncle Chuck: Is he still biologically Sonic's Uncle & is not mentioned as such, or is he not?

2. Mighty and Matilda: Does the whole family thing count for Mighty? It seems SEGA has pushed him aside, and I was wondering if this same rule applied to him too?

 

Ian Flynn:

I can't get into details right now. You'll find out along with everyone else in time.

 

If Uncle Chuck is not Sonic's biological Uncle, the no family mandate is probably going to bother me just as much as the way Archie/Sega threats Sonic and Sally. I wish Archie could come clean too about the changes, but they probably can't, I would like to know what we are dealing with.

[jtreese]

Guys, I just thought of something! They should bring back Wendy Witchcart in the comics and refine her back story. If I was tasked with coming up with a back story, here is what it would be.

 

Wendy:

Wendy Witchcart is an Ixis Wizard and ex-wife to Ixis Naugus. One day, when denying Naugus's request to rule the kingdom of Acorn with him, he crystallized her legs. Making her ability to walk, obselete. When in the hospital, she was greeted by Doctor Ovi Kintobor, an old friend of hers. He came in the hospital room with a familiar looking contraption to help Wendy get around without using her legs (The witchcart would be a prototype version of the eggmobile). Ever since then, she has been plotting revenge on her ex husband. 10 years pass and Wendy and Robotnik meet once again. After negotiating with Robotnik, she agrees to become an Egg Boss ( with the assistance of 3 other commanding officers by her side who works for her).