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[Captain Sorzo]

It also depends on how you view single.  Likely it means he's not in any relationship, but it could also mean he's just not married.

 

It's a given that Sonic's not married. Flynn wouldn't bother specifying that Sonic was single unless he isn't involved in any form of romantic relationship.

[Prince ByTor]

 

As for memory restoration, that's admittedly something that did not occur to me until shortly after my previous post. However, it strikes me as a case of trying to have one's cake and eat it too. If the Robotropolis backstory from timeline A will still be relevant to characterization, why mention specifically that it never happened at all in timeline B? If there's a mandate against its inclusion, not mentioning it at all would be an easy workaround, as readers could still infer that it transpired. Having the characters' memories restored comes across as a means of damage control, one that will likely not have appreciable effects save for a few superficial allusions to Flynn's own work. Sooner or later references to the previous continuity will cease entirely.

 

Thanks again for the info Captain!

Other than the Freedom Fighters and other characters from SatAM, the memory restoration will be the only thing really tying the 20 years of heritage of the comic with current events. I certainly hope the old continuity doesn't completely go away; I've seen it said that while the comic is different from the games it is often sighted as a better universe storyline wise. To just arbitrarily throw a 20 year legacy away would be ridiculous even with what Penders did. Yeah, it may be having you cake and eating it too, but that's really what Archie has apparently been doing since the time of Sonic Adventure.

Personally, it's been weird that after so many years I start reading the comic again just to have it almost destroyed by the powers that be.

I really think we need to start looking at this how Berry Gordy did it with Motown records back in the day: with every song recorded everyone would get together and listen to it and then he'd ask the question: "You have a dollar in your pocket and you can either spend it on a sandwich or buy the single and you are very hungry, which would you choose?" If the consensus went with the sandwich it was back to the drawing board with the song.

Now, if all of us comic consumers practice this and only buy the issues that are truly good then it would definitely send a message to Archie and Sega. As it sits I'd rather keep the $2.50 or whatever each issue costs or give it to Sea3on instead of Archie if they release material that is less than stellar.

[RedAuthar]

It also depends on how you view single.  Likely it means he's not in any relationship, but it could also mean he's just not married.

 
It's a given that Sonic's not married. Flynn wouldn't bother specifying that Sonic was single unless he isn't involved in any form of romantic relationship.

True, but that doesn't mean he isn't in one either

[Ogilvie]

Is STC worth reading? I read the first 10 issues or so (only the Sonic parts, since I wanted to focus on them) and I couldn't continue. I'd like to know if I left before it got good.

 

 

Definitely. The cartoony, questionable quality of the earliest strips rapidly gives rise to something much, much better in later ones. While StC takes more cues from AoStH (likely to contrast it to Archie taking cues from SatAM), it's definitely a very interesting experience overall since it depicts Sonic in ways that no other continuity does; the main writer took a lot of liberties with each character he was given, especially Sonic himself.

 

But overall? While it had very silly one-shot stories, just like Archie, it gradually developed a more coherent plot after about twenty or issues and became a really good read fitting for serious viewers and not just casual readers.

 

Above all, if you want a testament to the power of StC, just look at Sonic the Comic Online - it's been going for ten years with dozens of issues released, all without a single penny paid to those who work on it. Now that's devotion!

 

Also, as a bonus to you based on what you said: in later issues they phase out the non-Sonic stories entirely in favor of giving exposition to other Sonic characters.

 

It's a given that Sonic's not married. Flynn wouldn't bother specifying that Sonic was single unless he isn't involved in any form of romantic relationship.

 

 

Indeed, Sonic's been banned from marriage for a really long time. It's why the Mobius: X Years Later universe is described as a "possible future" - SEGA refused to approve a for-sure future where Sonic was married and had kids.

[Hammer]

Thanks to LogiTeeka and Ogilvie, I'm going to give STC a second chance.

[Uncle Ben]

So no one noticed what i said?

[Prime]

So no one noticed what i said?

 

Yeah I read what you said and I agree with ya.

 

I dunno, but seeing Muttski a mobian now just feels wrong. I get Flynn is doing something different, considering he is stuck now with a limited cast of characters because of the Penders situation, but like you, I'd of rather he had made a new character rather than drastically changing an old one. Sure Muttski served no real purpose before, but now? It's just... Odd.

 

As as for naming him after Ben? Well I guess it's a nice tribute. Little strange, but nice.

[LogiTeeka]

So apparently Ben "Mutt" Muttski was named after Ben Hurst.

Goes to show that Ian does respect SatAM, unlike what everyone in the "Anti-Archie-Sonic" group on Deviantart claims.

[Prime]

 

So apparently Ben "Mutt" Muttski was named after Ben Hurst.

Goes to show that Ian does respect SatAM, unlike what everyone in the "Anti-Archie-Sonic" group on Deviantart claims.

 

 

Oh but dude, those guys are totally right! They don't just claim, they know for a fact that Ian Flynn hates everything about SatAM, despite that they, y'know, have no evidence to back up such claims. But seriously! Ian Flynn hates SatAM and it's obvious he does because of what he does in the comic... Even though the comics aren't SatAM at all.

[Uncle Ben]

 

 

So apparently Ben "Mutt" Muttski was named after Ben Hurst.

Goes to show that Ian does respect SatAM, unlike what everyone in the "Anti-Archie-Sonic" group on Deviantart claims.

 

 

Oh but dude, those guys are totally right! They don't just claim, they know for a fact that Ian Flynn hates everything about SatAM, despite that they, y'know, have no evidence to back up such claims. But seriously! Ian Flynn hates SatAM and it's obvious he does because of what he does in the comic... Even though the comics aren't SatAM at all.

 

 

For the record i'm one of the few that doesnt say "Ian hats SatAM"

[Prime]

For the record i'm one of the few that doesnt say "Ian hats SatAM"

 

And noted old chap.

[Uncle Ben]

 

For the record i'm one of the few that doesnt say "Ian hats SatAM"

 

And noted old chap.

 

 

I usually say he prefers SegaSonic over Archie but i will never say "Ian hates SatAM

[Prince ByTor]

 

So no one noticed what i said?

 

Yeah I read what you said and I agree with ya.

 

I dunno, but seeing Muttski a mobian now just feels wrong. I get Flynn is doing something different, considering he is stuck now with a limited cast of characters because of the Penders situation, but like you, I'd of rather he had made a new character rather than drastically changing an old one. Sure Muttski served no real purpose before, but now? It's just... Odd.

 

As as for naming him after Ben? Well I guess it's a nice tribute. Little strange, but nice.

 

 

I am wondering if there is a new edict from Sega saying there are to be no more new characters and Ian found a way around it by turning Muttski into an anthro. If my supposition is true, then we could be seeing the likes of Griff and Ari in the future.

 

 

 

For the record i'm one of the few that doesnt say "Ian hats SatAM"

 

And noted old chap.

 

 

I usually say he prefers SegaSonic over Archie but i will never say "Ian hates SatAM

 

 

I think it's more of a case that Sega pressures him to showcase them X amount of time; I could be wrong.

[LogiTeeka]

So no one noticed what i said?

Yeah I read what you said and I agree with ya.

I dunno, but seeing Muttski a mobian now just feels wrong. I get Flynn is doing something different, considering he is stuck now with a limited cast of characters because of the Penders situation, but like you, I'd of rather he had made a new character rather than drastically changing an old one. Sure Muttski served no real purpose before, but now? It's just... Odd.

As as for naming him after Ben? Well I guess it's a nice tribute. Little strange, but nice.

I am wondering if there is a new edict from Sega saying there are to be no more new characters and Ian found a way around it by turning Muttski into an anthro. If my supposition is true, then we could be seeing the likes of Griff and Ari in the future.

Then why do the descriptions of upcoming issues mention stuff like "new heroes" and "new villains"? It sure sounds like buildup to introducing newer characters.

If anything, Ian probably made Muttski a Mobian in order to make him more interesting/memorable of a character. I mean, the character hardly left that much of an impression ever since he introduced; having only appeared in the pilot episode of SatAM and serving as a background character in the comics.

[Prince ByTor]

 

 

 

So no one noticed what i said?

Yeah I read what you said and I agree with ya.

I dunno, but seeing Muttski a mobian now just feels wrong. I get Flynn is doing something different, considering he is stuck now with a limited cast of characters because of the Penders situation, but like you, I'd of rather he had made a new character rather than drastically changing an old one. Sure Muttski served no real purpose before, but now? It's just... Odd.

As as for naming him after Ben? Well I guess it's a nice tribute. Little strange, but nice.

I am wondering if there is a new edict from Sega saying there are to be no more new characters and Ian found a way around it by turning Muttski into an anthro. If my supposition is true, then we could be seeing the likes of Griff and Ari in the future.

Then why do the descriptions of upcoming issues mention stuff like "new heroes" and "new villains"? It sure sounds like buildup to introducing newer characters.

If anything, Ian probably made Muttski a Mobian in order to make him more interesting/memorable of a character. I mean, the character hardly left that much of an impression ever since he introduced; having only appeared in the pilot episode of SatAM and serving as a background character in the comics.

 

 

It also could be that Ian Flynn was referring to the inclusion of the villains and other characters from Sonic: Lost World and unused characters from older games and the upcoming ones as well.

 

 

*EDIT*

 

I was looking through the Bumbleking forum and there's a rumour that Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog and SatAM are the only two cartoon continuities now allowed in the comic! So, no Underground, OVA, or Sonic X.

 

They are talking about it here: http://www.bumblekin...=6973&start=840

It starts on page 57.

[LogiTeeka]

*EDIT*
 
I was looking through the Bumbleking forum and there's a rumour that Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog and SatAM are the only two cartoon continuities now allowed in the comic! So, no Underground, OVA, or Sonic X.
 
They are talking about it here: http://www.bumblekin...=6973&start=840
It starts on page 57.

Actually, neither shows are allowed due to the comic now being closer to the games. Pretty much every other continuity outside the games is dead by this point.

[Prime]

I was looking through the Bumbleking forum and there's a rumour that Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog and SatAM are the only two cartoon continuities now allowed in the comic! So, no Underground, OVA, or Sonic X.

 

They are talking about it here: http://www.bumblekin...=6973&start=840

It starts on page 57.

 

In all fairness, in recent years, when has the comic even used any elements of Underground, X and the OVA?

 

The Underground adaption for the 50th issue of Universe doesn't count since they never came to be and the same for X since it had it's own seperate comic. And as for the OVA, pretty sure the only time they did that was way back in issue #101 or so when they had Sera in a little cameo.

 

If anything, like Logi said, the continuities of AoStH and SatAM aren't even allowed because the comic doesn't and hasn't followed the continuities. The comic is it's own continuity that just happens to borrow elements from the other continuities. So while characters from these other continuities might appear in the comic, they won't be the exact same as their original counterparts.

[Prince ByTor]

 

*EDIT*
 
I was looking through the Bumbleking forum and there's a rumour that Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog and SatAM are the only two cartoon continuities now allowed in the comic! So, no Underground, OVA, or Sonic X.
 
They are talking about it here: http://www.bumblekin...=6973&start=840
It starts on page 57.

Actually, neither shows are allowed due to the comic now being closer to the games. Pretty much every other continuity outside the games is dead by this point.

 

 

I don't know, it sure seems like SatAM will still have a major influence on the comic and AoSTH will have a lesser one; especially since we apparently will see Scratch, Grounder, and Coconuts and of course all of the SatAM cast, albeit with superficial redesigns that don't effect the actual character's personalities, and some of its mythos. If they were only going on the games continuity wouldn't they have already written them out? I'm sure from here on out the comic will follow the games, but if you think about it has more or less been that way really since Sonic Adventure came out. However, signs right now point to SatAM still having a big role in the comic and with the fore-metioned characters there will be a lesser influence from AoSTH.

To be honest I'm quite discouraged hearing that Underground might no longer be acknowledged; even though it had it's faults it was a good show. That being said Sonic X and all that comes with it can burn in hell in my opinion.

[ILOVEVHS]

I was looking through the Bumbleking forum and there's a rumour that Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog and SatAM are the only two cartoon continuities now allowed in the comic! So, no Underground, OVA, or Sonic X.
 
They are talking about it here: http://www.bumblekin...=6973&start=840
It starts on page 57.

 
In all fairness, in recent years, when has the comic even used any elements of Underground, X and the OVA?
 
The Underground adaption for the 50th issue of Universe doesn't count since they never came to be and the same for X since it had it's own seperate comic. And as for the OVA, pretty sure the only time they did that was way back in issue #101 or so when they had Sera in a little cameo.
 
If anything, like Logi said, the continuities of AoStH and SatAM aren't even allowed because the comic doesn't and hasn't followed the continuities. The comic is it's own continuity that just happens to borrow elements from the other continuities. So while characters from these other continuities might appear in the comic, they won't be the exact same as their original counterparts.

The Zone Wars had a story where Sonic and Zonic tracked Evil Sonic to the Underground universe.

[jtreese]

I just figured out a way that NICOLE can give Sonic all of the memories of the new world: