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[Hammer]

That's for sure! I wonder if Sega is aware of Sea3on? And if they are what do they think of it? Personally I like the artistic direction over almost all of the Archie ones; FUS has some damn good artists aboard!

I imagine Sega lawyers trying to think of a way to get rid of those filthy little men who think they have the right to take their characters and make a non-profit fan-made comic with them.

[Mike Arcade]

 

That's for sure! I wonder if Sega is aware of Sea3on? And if they are what do they think of it? Personally I like the artistic direction over almost all of the Archie ones; FUS has some damn good artists aboard!

I imagine Sega lawyers trying to think of a way to get rid of those filthy little men who think they have the right to take their characters and make a non-profit fan-made comic with them.

 

 

Considering there are tons, and TONS of fan comics based off of Sonic (not just counting Sprite Comics) I highly doubt Sega gives a crap, interestingly enough Sega's pretty laid back about the fans and ignore the crazy ones, they don't mind Rom Hackers from what I know and pretty much let most things be.

[jtreese]

Let's talk about what we know about so far about the comics from the Lost World First Play Charity Event:

1. Professor Pickle will be making his debut in the comics soon (Unleahed 2 adaption, anyone?)

2. Red Rings could possibly be incorporated in the comic

3. Knuckles appearing in the comics next year is confirmed. (As long as things go as planed)

4. There are plans for Shard 

5. Sonic is officially single 

6. Ian can't say anything on Super Tails and Super Knuckles appearing

7. Can't comment on if the Comic characters will be appearing (We will probably see something).

8. Ian can't comment on if Shade, Ix and Co. will appear in the comics

9. Mighty, Ray, and Nack will be appearing somewhere along the line.

10. Sonic Lost World is canon in the new Archie Sonic Continuity (Takes place later).

[Speedy_25]

now, so by the looks of it, the comic has changed not only for the better, but for the worse as well.....   

[Captain Sorzo]

According to the Sonic Stadium Archie thread, Robotropolis never existed in this new "improved" universe. By extension, it can be inferred that the central backstory the main characters share of growing up in Knothole under Robotnik's shadow is now void as well. If that is the case, Flynn just erased the foundation upon which the personalities and relationships of the main cast were built. While Sonic and Tails have their game characterizations to fall back on, infuriatingly bland and one-dimensional though they are, Sally and the other SatAM characters were designed around this core premise. Without it, they cease to effectively function as characters, and whatever new backstories are created to compensate will invariably be hodgepodge attempts crudely slapped onto gaping wounds.

 

Even if, for example, Sonic and Sally became a couple again, their relationship could not possibly possess the dynamics it did in SatAM, where their interactions were based on a lengthy shared history.

 

The writing was already on the wall that, even without the redesigns, the Freedom Fighters would be returning in name only. This all but confirms it.

[RedAuthar]

According to the Sonic Stadium Archie thread, Robotropolis never existed in this new "improved" universe. By extension, it can be inferred that the central backstory the main characters share of growing up in Knothole under Robotnik's shadow is now void as well. If that is the case, Flynn just erased the foundation upon which the personalities and relationships of the main cast were built. While Sonic and Tails have their game characterizations to fall back on, infuriatingly bland and one-dimensional though they are, Sally and the other SatAM characters were designed around this core premise. Without it, they cease to effectively function as characters, and whatever new backstories are created to compensate will invariably be hodgepodge attempts crudely slapped onto gaping wounds.

 

Even if, for example, Sonic and Sally became a couple again, their relationship could not possibly possess the dynamics it did in SatAM, where their interactions were based on a lengthy shared history.

 

The writing was already on the wall that, even without the redesigns, the Freedom Fighters would be returning in name only. This all but confirms it.

Okay:

 

1)  Source?  Just because it appeared somewhere doesn't mean it's true.  Where'd Sonic Stadium get this info?

2) Who says the a retconned backstory is going to be bad?  We don't know what the backstory to these characters are, or if it's going to change.  You can't say it's "hodgepodge" if you don't even know what they are yet.  

3) The Robotropolis backstory hasn't been much of a driving factor since SatAM.  The Comics continuously retcon the events of Sonic's Childhood.  First he Met Sally right after Uncle Chuck was Roboticized, then they've been childhood friends.  First Sally deems them the Freedom Fighters when they find a hollowed out stump that later becomes Knothole's Main Base of Operations, then it's tribute to a group of never before mentioned Freedom Fighters who started it. First at eight Sonic hadn't officially gone on any missions, next apparently the early issues of the comic were when Sonic was eight.  There is no set canon to the group's past other than Robotnik's coup in the first place, which the retcon still can do.  In fact, giving each character an individual reason to hate Robotnik would promote much better character development than the "Robotnik just took over" reason.  

[jtreese]

Sonic Lost World first play, Ian said there is no Robotropolis or New Mobotropolis. I don't think he ever said there was no Robotropolis.

[RedAuthar]

Sonic Lost World first play, Ian said there is no Robotropolis or New Mobotropolis. I don't think he ever said there was no Robotropolis.

That probably more accurate.  There isn't a Robotropolis Now, but that doesn't mean there never was one.

[Mike Arcade]

I'm liking what I'm hearing already, glad to hear that Shard will still be around. Now considering that Pickle will be around and everything that is happening on Mobius (Earth?) it seems like the story arc is gonna be an Unleashed Adaption, it seems that Unleashed hasn't happened yet so maybe it's happening right now? That's what I've been guessing for the past few months. Glad to hear that Knuckles will be back next year, can't wait to see what happens to him and The Chaotix, though as for anything regarding the Comic Cast and The Nocturnous I can't wait to see what he'll do with them. I don't have a clue on what they could do with the Red Rings other then maybe acting more like the Power Rings from SatAM. I would like to see Super Tails and Knuckles but that seems unlikely now, I hope they come back though.

 

It sounds like we are gonna have a lot of interesting things in the comic to keep us at the edge of our seat. Not to mention the shit ton of backstory of this New Prime Zone we have to find out it sounds like Ian and Co. have their work cut out for them, I wish them the best. Also as for the argument Captain was pointing out, it's too soon to judge something like that, not only that but it doesn't really matter if there never was a Robotropolis since all the Freedom Fighters from SatAM are gonna get their memories back of the Old World so essentially they are the same characters we've come to know only with 2 sets of Memories and a splitting headache. With that said and the flashback picture of King Acorn and Eggman it seems like things played out similar to SatAM/Archie at the beginning but with some details changed, it's safe to say that pretty much all the games are canon in the New Prime Zone from what's been going on.

[Uncle Ben]

i dont like how they are calling the new universe "improved"

[DCC]

KInd of upset to hear the Sonic is single. Sega needs to let Sonic and Sally be together.

[RedAuthar]

i dont like how they are calling the new universe "improved"

Fair.  They haven't improved, just changed thus far.

 

 

KInd of upset to hear the Sonic is single. Sega needs to let Sonic and Sally be together.

It also depends on how you view single.  Likely it means he's not in any relationship, but it could also mean he's just not married. 

[Ogilvie]

I'm fine with Sonic remaining single, due to a) Archie having a really bad habit of messing relationships up and devolving them into constant drama, and b ) well, I like characters to be single normally simply so fans can imagine them with whoever they want. I'm content to leave relationships primarily to the realm of fanfiction; that way, everyone can have what they desire.

 

As for Robotropolis: it not existing would make some sense. Take a look at the memory of Robotnik and Max meeting: Robotnik looks like his video game counterpart. To me, this indicates that maybe Robotnik never was able to conquer the Acorn Kingdom in this reality, though he did still build a huge army that remains a constant threat, sort of like his game counterpart.

 

I presume the Egg Armies are the greedy, the outcasts, and other misfits on Mobius (if I recall they changed the name, but I'm still calling it Mobius either way, the same way I ignore Ian Flynn saying Ogilvie isn't Sonic's first name) who find running into his hands the only way to really make a living.

[Prince ByTor]

I agree with Ogilvie, just because everything from the previous "universe" didn't happen the same way it doesn't mean that it won't have an impact here. Every time someone touches NICHOLE they remember things the way it was, obviously Sonic remembers it the old way and has all of the memories, so I'm hoping it means that everyone will have their memories back in the end. Like Ian Flynn said: The Freedom Fighters are not working as a team anymore; possibly due to the different memories/experiences, perhaps when they come in contact with NICHOLE and remember the old continuity this is what will bring them back together as the should be. I mean, even Ian Flynn said that the old continuity does still have a barring, but things will be different.

[LogiTeeka]

Concerning the whole "Robotropolis" thing, I think it was removed/changed due to the presence of a similar zone named "Metropolis". So in a sense, Metropolis Zone could be considered the spiritual successor of Robotropolis. And considering its location on Westside Island, it could easily be in close proximity to the Wood Zone where Knothole Village lies.

KInd of upset to hear the Sonic is single. Sega needs to let Sonic and Sally be together.

While I can understand the disappointment, I'm kinda glad that its being dropped from the comics. I mean, one of the biggest problems the series had was the whole shipping thing; they could never get it right and it felt incredibly forced. With it no longer being an issue, the writers can focus on the adventure and not have to worry about trivial things that'll divide the fan base even further.

[Ogilvie]

I agree with Ogilvie, just because everything from the previous "universe" didn't happen the same way it doesn't mean that it won't have an impact here. Every time someone touches NICHOLE they remember things the way it was, obviously Sonic remembers it the old way and has all of the memories, so I'm hoping it means that everyone will have their memories back in the end. Like Ian Flynn said: The Freedom Fighters are not working as a team anymore; possibly due to the different memories/experiences, perhaps when they come in contact with NICHOLE and remember the old continuity this is what will bring them back together as the should be. I mean, even Ian Flynn said that the old continuity does still have a barring, but things will be different.

 

This is very true and I think that's what will help bring the FF back together, as awkward as it is to shuffle through two sets of memories...

 

When in doubt, always remember the predestination paradox of these things. Even though x spawned y in the last dimension, y could still exist in this one, having been caused by z instead. Alternate realities and time travel get really weird when you create the results and not the variables first.

 

Concerning the whole "Robotropolis" thing, I think it was removed/changed due to the presence of a similar zone named "Metropolis". So in a sense, Metropolis Zone could be considered the spiritual successor of Robotropolis. And considering its location on Westside Island, it could easily be in close proximity to the Wood Zone where Knothole Village lies.

 

This gets double points from me as well, since Metropolis was the location of Robotnik's headquarters in Sonic the Comic.

[Hammer]

This gets double points from me as well, since Metropolis was the location of Robotnik's headquarters in Sonic the Comic.

Is STC worth reading? I read the first 10 issues or so (only the Sonic parts, since I wanted to focus on them) and I couldn't continue. I'd like to know if I left before it got good.

[Uncle Ben]

So apparently Ben "Mutt" Muttski was named after Ben Hurst.

 

I like he is paying tribute to one of the most liked people of the franchise but i think Ian should of made someone new instead of using a back ground character that barely appeared in SatAM and the Comic

[LogiTeeka]

This gets double points from me as well, since Metropolis was the location of Robotnik's headquarters in Sonic the Comic.

Is STC worth reading? I read the first 10 issues or so (only the Sonic parts, since I wanted to focus on them) and I couldn't continue. I'd like to know if I left before it got good.

I certainly think so (if you can manage to find them). The first dozen issues start off as generic stories, but they gradually turn into something interesting; similar to the earlier issues of the Archie series. The comic is like a mixture of the first two television series (it's weird and surreal like AoStH, but darker and somewhat edgier than SatAM) while keeping elements from the classic games. If anything, it's definitely the most original take at the Sonic series I've seen.

[Captain Sorzo]

1)  Source?  Just because it appeared somewhere doesn't mean it's true.  Where'd Sonic Stadium get this info?

 

As mentioned, it's from a Q&A stream Flynn did over the weekend while playing Lost World. Admittedly, I don't have time right now to sift through the whole thing, so it's second-hand info. Also, the post specified that Robotropolis had never existed at all in the new continuity. Mention of the city not currently existing would not be an issue, as the comics stopped using it quite some time ago.

 

2) Who says the a retconned backstory is going to be bad?  We don't know what the backstory to these characters are, or if it's going to change.  You can't say it's "hodgepodge" if you don't even know what they are yet.

 

This largely boils down to a general lack of confidence in Flynn's writing ability. His poor handling of the Mecha Sally arc had soured my initially positive opinion of him even before all the drama related to Penders kicked in with Endangered Species. If he still had a strong existing framework to build on, Flynn would at least have an easier time writing ongoing stories. Now he has to build an entirely new framework on the fly, one that must provide results similar to those of the old backstory, in addition to dealing with current plotlines. It's a tall order for any writer.

 

3) The Robotropolis backstory hasn't been much of a driving factor since SatAM.  The Comics continuously retcon the events of Sonic's Childhood.  First he Met Sally right after Uncle Chuck was Roboticized, then they've been childhood friends.  First Sally deems them the Freedom Fighters when they find a hollowed out stump that later becomes Knothole's Main Base of Operations, then it's tribute to a group of never before mentioned Freedom Fighters who started it. First at eight Sonic hadn't officially gone on any missions, next apparently the early issues of the comic were when Sonic was eight.  There is no set canon to the group's past other than Robotnik's coup in the first place, which the retcon still can do.  In fact, giving each character an individual reason to hate Robotnik would promote much better character development than the "Robotnik just took over" reason.

 

Once the series got off the ground, it consistently worked with a core premise more or less identical to that of SatAM, even if minor details changed from time to time. While I still am of the opinion that the comics never managed to handle their nuances in such a way as to either capture the feel of the show or offer something equally compelling, that's not the fault of the premise.

 

As for memory restoration, that's admittedly something that did not occur to me until shortly after my previous post. However, it strikes me as a case of trying to have one's cake and eat it too. If the Robotropolis backstory from timeline A will still be relevant to characterization, why mention specifically that it never happened at all in timeline B? If there's a mandate against its inclusion, not mentioning it at all would be an easy workaround, as readers could still infer that it transpired. Having the characters' memories restored comes across as a means of damage control, one that will likely not have appreciable effects save for a few superficial allusions to Flynn's own work. Sooner or later references to the previous continuity will cease entirely.