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[jtreese]

Funny. Every time this subject comes up, I'm always reminded of this:

http://m.youtube.com...h?v=kbg0ycJGAa0

Hahahahahahaha! So true!

[jtreese]

A girl on DeviantART named "AwesomeBlossomPossum" (I swear that's her username), has been doing various sketches for redesigns for the Sonic females based on the ones from the "New Mobius." Check it out:

[E122Psi]

 

 

 

 

See this Sal looks fine. The proportions looks SEGAish enough and the new costume and hairstyle keep it fresh, but it still oozes Sal's original personality and design, in fact it arguably does better than Yardley's design before hand with the already flattened Tails-ish face.

 

The biggest nitpick I can think is one many artists do, I wish more would use that cheek indent she had over her eyes, makes her face look less flat and empty.

[Louis the Hedgehog]

For some reason the lack of cheek fur just doesn't sit right with me. Feels too sterile and generic.

[E122Psi]

For some reason the lack of cheek fur just doesn't sit right with me. Feels too sterile and generic.

I'd rather they kept the cheek fur too, though granted I'd rather they kept everything outside maybe giving her the standard noodle limbs, but it is something I can accept as dispensable, unlike the rest of her facial design such as her eye shape which to me help make a lot of her character, hense why I didn't like the previous design before the new arc, which kept the fuzz and nearly everything else BUT those necessary parts.

 

Granted I do wish the designs didn't involve taking so much stuff away, not even replacing it, just emptying their design more. Especially in the case of Antoine, whose whole design now looks stripped down with nothing else added on in it's place.

 

Granted I suppose it applies well to their development in the comics, since their personalities are now pretty generic and interchangable too (it's hard to defend against taking away Antoine's pompous attire when he doesn't even have that personality anymore, his new design defines how he is pretty well really, another generic fighter with nothing special about him).

[Uncle Ben]

She actually does some justice to them

[Prince ByTor]

Yeah, I love her work, she should be working at Archie!

[bwrosas]

 

 

Monday, October 14, 2013

start time : 3:08 PM

 

Now I did another version of this earlier today, and what I'm about to say is something that as fans we need to start considering or at least doing.

 

Ever since the New York comic convention last year. And throughout all of 2013 so far, this fan base has been divided on the character redesigns.  Some love them, some are okay with them, and others just flat out disdain them.  Well I can understand that, but I believe we should focus more outside of the redesigns and/or at least talk about what potentially could happen as a result of this soft reboot.

 

With the redesigns, I can understand that the main problem with them, is not how they look, but how the personalities will portray them.  I believe as a longtime fan, that the personalities of the characters will not change whatsoever, they might have a tweak here and there, but if Ian Flynn says that the characters will be who they are as we know them, then whether we want to believe him or not, we will just have to wait it out and for right now, take his word on it.

 

But as I mentioned above, we need to focus more on what could happen afterwards.  For example, what kind of character development will we get from the freedom fighters, once they come in contact with Nicole.  I mean one of the major things that fans are indeed worried about and understandably so, is Antoine and Bunnie's marriage.  Will it still exist?, Or will be null and void?  You see that is something that I am intrigued about.  Because if Ian Flynn decides to make the marriage and act like it never happened, and possibly the relationship of Antoine and Bunnie as well, to me that would be the wrong thing to do.  Because out of all the romantic couples and relationships in the comic's history, you don't take one that through all the trials and errors and all the ups and downs that several writers took them through for 127 issues and that alone was built up to the marriage in 174, and then add on the 60 issues that came afterwards, plus the four sonic universe issues that they were a part of, and you would be throwing away up to about 190 issues of story and character development.  That is what Ian Flynn would be doing with the Antoine/Bunnie relationship and marriage, just throwing out almost 200 issues worth of character and story development.

 

And that's just one thing that could change as a result of this soft reboot.   Another could be Fiona Fox.  Now I get that storyline wise, she's in the anti-world, but who's to say she still won't be affected.  Think about it, a majority of fans were upset that Ian Flynn turned her bad/antihero in 172, for as some put it no real reason.  Well let's look at it this way, it appears that everything that's occurring in CTC, is taking place between 225 and 230, and perhaps even before that.  And one must wonder, if perhaps Fiona might be softly rebooted back onto the side of good.  That's another thing that I would be intrigued about.

 

And hey, what about factions?  Who's to say that the sandblast freedom fighters and Baron Beauregard's dark Legion didn't switch sides.  Who's to say that the sandblast freedom fighters are not now the sandblast egg Army and who's to say Baron Beauregard's dark egg Legion are  not now freedom fighters.  

 

You see it's stuff like that, that we should be discussing more then our love/hatred for the main cast redesigns.

 

And hey speaking of the main cast, whose to say that fan service will not be part of this soft reboot.  Ian Flynn has proven that he can do just that, heck the comic as a whole throughout its history has proven that.  Who's to say it won't happen more so in the soft reboot.  

I mean, if you want a good example of what potential fan service on a romantic scale could be delivered to us courtesy of this soft reboot, how about Tails/Amy, hey with this soft reboot it could happen.  I mean there are some, if not a majority of fans that want to see Tails have a girlfriend.  And from what they've said about Ian Flynn, perhaps Tails might get hooked up with Amy.  But on the other hand, there's three more choices, they are, Mina, and this is due to the future story arc, as well as  possibly a rebooted and good Fiona Fox, or perhaps what has become the biggest fan supported relationship for our two tailed friend, none other then Nicole.  Now I know some a you might raise your eyebrows about that, but apparently it's one of the most popular fan supported pairings in the Sonic fanbase.  And if Ian Flynn wants to provide some fan service to the fans,, who knows he might make it happen due to this being a soft rebooted continuity.

 

Again it's stuff like this, that I believe we should focus more on, then just the character redesigns.  Because whether we want to admit or not, it seems that these redesigns are here for the long haul.  So I suggest as fans we focus more on the aftereffects of CTC more than the character redesigns.

 

Because when one thinks about it folks, if we keep complaining about the character redesigns, we lose focus on what's really important and that's the story and the continuity that goes with it.  Besides let's remember one thing, nothing last forever.  So we cannot say that these redesigns will be here until the comic is eventually canceled, because when I say long haul, I look at more of a year to two-year maybe three year run, before we get another redesign or continuity event that switches things back to the way they were or changes them more so.

 

So again, I ask as a fellow longtime Sonic fan, let's please try to focus on more of what could happen storyline/continuity wise, then what the redesigns of the characters will look like.

 

I have more to say in my alternate version, which I'm sure a lot of you know of and a lot of you know where to find it, and if you like take your time with it.  But that's all I have to say on the matter right now.

 

God bless and take care.

 

Ending time : 3:42 PM

[FormerlyAKnotholeResident]

 

 

 

 

 

See this Sal looks fine. The proportions looks SEGAish enough and the new costume and hairstyle keep it fresh, but it still oozes Sal's original personality and design, in fact it arguably does better than Yardley's design before hand with the already flattened Tails-ish face.

 

The biggest nitpick I can think is one many artists do, I wish more would use that cheek indent she had over her eyes, makes her face look less flat and empty.

 

Perfect.  Just add the cheek fuzz and its golden!

[LogiTeeka]

Perfect. Just add the cheek fuzz and its golden!

Honestly, I think she looks fine without it. I mean, she's more of a chipmunk rather than a squirrel, and having smoother cheeks also makes her more feminine in appearance.

[Captain Sorzo]

I was under the impression that she was a ground squirrel originally. The hybrid idea was added later by the comics, and now it looks like they're going entirely chipmunk.

 

The cheek tufts don't make her seem less feminine unless they're drawn as jagged spikes, which the comic artists were prone to do. When drawn with proper subtlety, as in SatAM and Sea3on, they contribute greatly to the design, making her seem older and less cutesy, which reflects that she's a rather somber character meant to be taken seriously.

[RedAuthar]

Honestly neither design seems better than the other to me.  

[E122Psi]

I was under the impression that she was a ground squirrel originally. The hybrid idea was added later by the comics, and now it looks like they're going entirely chipmunk.

 

The cheek tufts don't make her seem less feminine unless they're drawn as jagged spikes, which the comic artists were prone to do. When drawn with proper subtlety, as in SatAM and Sea3on, they contribute greatly to the design, making her seem older and less cutesy, which reflects that she's a rather somber character meant to be taken seriously.

The cheek fuzz actually apply to making her character pretentious? Aw, never mind then.

 

I still think Tazi San's Sally was a great compromise of SEGA style and her own proportioning:

 

http://www.deviantar...tudies-73224721

 

I tried making some compromises of the new designs, though I'm mixed as to how they came out:

 

http://e-122-psi.dev...paper-333667093

 

http://e-122-psi.dev...paper-402355368

[LogiTeeka]

I have two takes at redesigning her, actually. The first one was my attempt at adapting her classic appearance with modern-style proportions and alterations (I wasn't weary of Sega's females requiring clothes at the time):

http://sonicsatam.co...lery&image=7636

My next attempt was a complete redesign of her character while still retaining her iconic features:

http://logiteeka.dev...EMAKE-346169253

[furrykef]

If you ask me, this redesigning stuff is all going in the wrong direction anyway. Instead of updating the old characters to match the new ones, update the new ones to match the old ones.

[RedAuthar]

If you ask me, this redesigning stuff is all going in the wrong direction anyway. Instead of updating the old characters to match the new ones, update the new ones to match the old ones.

That right there should have been the plan from day one.  

[Uncle Ben]

indeed

[Louis the Hedgehog]

 

I was under the impression that she was a ground squirrel originally. The hybrid idea was added later by the comics, and now it looks like they're going entirely chipmunk.

 

The cheek tufts don't make her seem less feminine unless they're drawn as jagged spikes, which the comic artists were prone to do. When drawn with proper subtlety, as in SatAM and Sea3on, they contribute greatly to the design, making her seem older and less cutesy, which reflects that she's a rather somber character meant to be taken seriously.

The cheek fuzz actually apply to making her character pretentious? Aw, never mind then.

 

I still think Tazi San's Sally was a great compromise of SEGA style and her own proportioning:

 

http://www.deviantar...tudies-73224721

 

I tried making some compromises of the new designs, though I'm mixed as to how they came out:

 

http://e-122-psi.dev...paper-333667093

 

http://e-122-psi.dev...paper-402355368

 

You know, I wish that WAS the new design. Why? Because it is nothing too drastic, nothing is taken away, and is an incremental change. It's that I don't like changes, as long as some thought and effort is put into them.

[jtreese]

Have you guys ever wondered if there are classic variations of these character's redesigns? We know Antoine used to have his classic suit, but what about the others?

[Prince ByTor]

Have you guys ever wondered if there are classic variations of these character's redesigns? We know Antoine used to have his classic suit, but what about the others?

 

Since the in their classic attire was seen on one a variant cover, I'd have to say yes. Will we ever see them in their classic looks in the comic again? Probably, but very infrequent.