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[jtreese]

 

For several years, anti-SatAM fans have complained about Sally being naked and requiring some type of attire to cover her up.

I doubt there have been too many complaints about this. Probably just a small vocal minority at most. I believe her sexualized appearance (which has been a problem now and then ever since artists like Pat Spaziante got ahold of her) is more of a concern than nudity per se.

So FINALLY, when this day happens, Sally gets fully clothed while Antonie is literally stripped naked and yet nobody has a problem with that?

Because Antoine doesn't look sexualized. And thank God for that, really.

 

Agreed.

[RedAuthar]

 

 

For several years, anti-SatAM fans have complained about Sally being naked and requiring some type of attire to cover her up.

I doubt there have been too many complaints about this. Probably just a small vocal minority at most. I believe her sexualized appearance (which has been a problem now and then ever since artists like Pat Spaziante got ahold of her) is more of a concern than nudity per se.

So FINALLY, when this day happens, Sally gets fully clothed while Antonie is literally stripped naked and yet nobody has a problem with that?

Because Antoine doesn't look sexualized. And thank God for that, really.

 

Agreed.

 

That always bothers me.  Why is it okay for male characters to run around naked but the female characters have to be clothed?  

 

Honestly is it not just as bad when characters obviously feel embarrassed when caught undressed or underdressed? 

[Prince ByTor]

 

 

 

For several years, anti-SatAM fans have complained about Sally being naked and requiring some type of attire to cover her up.

I doubt there have been too many complaints about this. Probably just a small vocal minority at most. I believe her sexualized appearance (which has been a problem now and then ever since artists like Pat Spaziante got ahold of her) is more of a concern than nudity per se.

So FINALLY, when this day happens, Sally gets fully clothed while Antonie is literally stripped naked and yet nobody has a problem with that?

Because Antoine doesn't look sexualized. And thank God for that, really.

 

Agreed.

 

That always bothers me.  Why is it okay for male characters to run around naked but the female characters have to be clothed?  

 

Honestly is it not just as bad when characters obviously feel embarrassed when caught undressed or underdressed? 

 

 

 

Ever since I read this from Ian Flynn:

From: http://ianpotto.devi...-Mill-333572974

Are the new clothes coming from parental complaints over Sally's nakedness?
For pity's sake no!  Yes, there are people out there who would object, but they are of the smallest minority (and need a new hobby).  People getting hot and bothered about "nude" cartoon animals (both for and against)  are the furthest thing from my mind.  These aren't fully realize anthropomorphic entities, they're colorful cartoons with passing likenesses to human anatomy.  For the love all things sensible, would somebody think it racy if I put a couple of parentheses next to each other?  ( ( - woo! Scandalous!

Is there a level of hypocrisy in how nudity is treated between male and female cartoon characters?  Sure.  Is it unique to SONIC?  Not by a long shot.  Folks can debate all they want about the morality or political repercussions, but on our end it's very simple: SONIC-females are fully clothed, ergo Sally now wears clothes.

 

 

... I cannot help but be reminded of this:

 

http://www.dailymail...vered-meat.html

[TheRedStranger]

 

 

 

 

For several years, anti-SatAM fans have complained about Sally being naked and requiring some type of attire to cover her up.

I doubt there have been too many complaints about this. Probably just a small vocal minority at most. I believe her sexualized appearance (which has been a problem now and then ever since artists like Pat Spaziante got ahold of her) is more of a concern than nudity per se.

So FINALLY, when this day happens, Sally gets fully clothed while Antonie is literally stripped naked and yet nobody has a problem with that?

Because Antoine doesn't look sexualized. And thank God for that, really.

 

Agreed.

 

That always bothers me.  Why is it okay for male characters to run around naked but the female characters have to be clothed?  

 

Honestly is it not just as bad when characters obviously feel embarrassed when caught undressed or underdressed? 

 

 

 

Ever since I read this from Ian Flynn:

From: http://ianpotto.devi...-Mill-333572974

Are the new clothes coming from parental complaints over Sally's nakedness?
For pity's sake no!  Yes, there are people out there who would object, but they are of the smallest minority (and need a new hobby).  People getting hot and bothered about "nude" cartoon animals (both for and against)  are the furthest thing from my mind.  These aren't fully realize anthropomorphic entities, they're colorful cartoons with passing likenesses to human anatomy.  For the love all things sensible, would somebody think it racy if I put a couple of parentheses next to each other?  ( ( - woo! Scandalous!

Is there a level of hypocrisy in how nudity is treated between male and female cartoon characters?  Sure.  Is it unique to SONIC?  Not by a long shot.  Folks can debate all they want about the morality or political repercussions, but on our end it's very simple: SONIC-females are fully clothed, ergo Sally now wears clothes.

 

 

... I cannot help but be reminded of this:

 

http://www.dailymail...vered-meat.html

 

 

Yes, women are bad but polygamy and religious holidays like Ashura are okay (don't look that up if you're squemish or believe in the sanctity human life). That makes as much sense as putting ice in your oven to cook popcicles. 

 

I'll go with Proverbs 5:18-20 instead for my morals pertaining to the subject. Just sayin'. 

 

 I don't mind Sally in the vest and boots only. She's a cartoon character... What are we going to do next give Bugs Bunnie parachute pants and Daffy a Burka? 

[jtreese]

 

 

 

 

 

For several years, anti-SatAM fans have complained about Sally being naked and requiring some type of attire to cover her up.

I doubt there have been too many complaints about this. Probably just a small vocal minority at most. I believe her sexualized appearance (which has been a problem now and then ever since artists like Pat Spaziante got ahold of her) is more of a concern than nudity per se.

So FINALLY, when this day happens, Sally gets fully clothed while Antonie is literally stripped naked and yet nobody has a problem with that?

Because Antoine doesn't look sexualized. And thank God for that, really.

 

Agreed.

 

That always bothers me.  Why is it okay for male characters to run around naked but the female characters have to be clothed?  

 

Honestly is it not just as bad when characters obviously feel embarrassed when caught undressed or underdressed? 

 

 

 

Ever since I read this from Ian Flynn:

From: http://ianpotto.devi...-Mill-333572974

Are the new clothes coming from parental complaints over Sally's nakedness?
For pity's sake no!  Yes, there are people out there who would object, but they are of the smallest minority (and need a new hobby).  People getting hot and bothered about "nude" cartoon animals (both for and against)  are the furthest thing from my mind.  These aren't fully realize anthropomorphic entities, they're colorful cartoons with passing likenesses to human anatomy.  For the love all things sensible, would somebody think it racy if I put a couple of parentheses next to each other?  ( ( - woo! Scandalous!

Is there a level of hypocrisy in how nudity is treated between male and female cartoon characters?  Sure.  Is it unique to SONIC?  Not by a long shot.  Folks can debate all they want about the morality or political repercussions, but on our end it's very simple: SONIC-females are fully clothed, ergo Sally now wears clothes.

 

 

... I cannot help but be reminded of this:

 

http://www.dailymail...vered-meat.html

 

 

Yes, women are bad but polygamy and religious holidays like Ashura are okay (don't look that up if you're squemish or believe in the sanctity human life). That makes as much sense as putting ice in your oven to cook popcicles. 

 

I'll go with Proverbs 5:18-20 instead for my morals pertaining to the subject. Just sayin'. 

 

 I don't mind Sally in the vest and boots only. She's a cartoon character... What are we going to do next give Bugs Bunnie parachute pants and Daffy a Burka? 

 

As stupid as it sounds, some people who hate Sally Acorn complain about how she was naked. I feel with this redesign, those haters will shut the hell up. It's like SEGA is saying "Hey Sally haters! Sally is fully clothed now! Happy?!" It's also because this "New Mobius" is just like the games, and all female game Sonic characters are fully clothed. Plus, her design is 20 years old now! It's not like giving Sally clothes hinders her character. She's still the same Sally. I don't get why people are still complaining.

[Prince ByTor]

 

 

 

 

 

 

For several years, anti-SatAM fans have complained about Sally being naked and requiring some type of attire to cover her up.

I doubt there have been too many complaints about this. Probably just a small vocal minority at most. I believe her sexualized appearance (which has been a problem now and then ever since artists like Pat Spaziante got ahold of her) is more of a concern than nudity per se.

So FINALLY, when this day happens, Sally gets fully clothed while Antonie is literally stripped naked and yet nobody has a problem with that?

Because Antoine doesn't look sexualized. And thank God for that, really.

 

Agreed.

 

That always bothers me.  Why is it okay for male characters to run around naked but the female characters have to be clothed?  

 

Honestly is it not just as bad when characters obviously feel embarrassed when caught undressed or underdressed? 

 

 

 

Ever since I read this from Ian Flynn:

From: http://ianpotto.devi...-Mill-333572974

Are the new clothes coming from parental complaints over Sally's nakedness?
For pity's sake no!  Yes, there are people out there who would object, but they are of the smallest minority (and need a new hobby).  People getting hot and bothered about "nude" cartoon animals (both for and against)  are the furthest thing from my mind.  These aren't fully realize anthropomorphic entities, they're colorful cartoons with passing likenesses to human anatomy.  For the love all things sensible, would somebody think it racy if I put a couple of parentheses next to each other?  ( ( - woo! Scandalous!

Is there a level of hypocrisy in how nudity is treated between male and female cartoon characters?  Sure.  Is it unique to SONIC?  Not by a long shot.  Folks can debate all they want about the morality or political repercussions, but on our end it's very simple: SONIC-females are fully clothed, ergo Sally now wears clothes.

 

 

... I cannot help but be reminded of this:

 

http://www.dailymail...vered-meat.html

 

 

Yes, women are bad but polygamy and religious holidays like Ashura are okay (don't look that up if you're squemish or believe in the sanctity human life). That makes as much sense as putting ice in your oven to cook popcicles. 

 

I'll go with Proverbs 5:18-20 instead for my morals pertaining to the subject. Just sayin'. 

 

 I don't mind Sally in the vest and boots only. She's a cartoon character... What are we going to do next give Bugs Bunnie parachute pants and Daffy a Burka? 

 

As stupid as it sounds, some people who hate Sally Acorn complain about how she was naked. I feel with this redesign, those haters will shut the hell up. It's like SEGA is saying "Hey Sally haters! Sally is fully clothed now! Happy?!" It's also because this "New Mobius" is just like the games, and all female game Sonic characters are fully clothed. Plus, her design is 20 years old now! It's not like giving Sally clothes hinders her character. She's still the same Sally. I don't get why people are still complaining.

 

 

It's not that I'm complaining about her new look; I'm actually looking forward to see Tracy Yardley's artistic take on it. I was just commenting of the double-standard of how genders are handled.

[TheRedStranger]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For several years, anti-SatAM fans have complained about Sally being naked and requiring some type of attire to cover her up.

I doubt there have been too many complaints about this. Probably just a small vocal minority at most. I believe her sexualized appearance (which has been a problem now and then ever since artists like Pat Spaziante got ahold of her) is more of a concern than nudity per se.

So FINALLY, when this day happens, Sally gets fully clothed while Antonie is literally stripped naked and yet nobody has a problem with that?

Because Antoine doesn't look sexualized. And thank God for that, really.

 

Agreed.

 

That always bothers me.  Why is it okay for male characters to run around naked but the female characters have to be clothed?  

 

Honestly is it not just as bad when characters obviously feel embarrassed when caught undressed or underdressed? 

 

 

 

Ever since I read this from Ian Flynn:

From: http://ianpotto.devi...-Mill-333572974

Are the new clothes coming from parental complaints over Sally's nakedness?
For pity's sake no!  Yes, there are people out there who would object, but they are of the smallest minority (and need a new hobby).  People getting hot and bothered about "nude" cartoon animals (both for and against)  are the furthest thing from my mind.  These aren't fully realize anthropomorphic entities, they're colorful cartoons with passing likenesses to human anatomy.  For the love all things sensible, would somebody think it racy if I put a couple of parentheses next to each other?  ( ( - woo! Scandalous!

Is there a level of hypocrisy in how nudity is treated between male and female cartoon characters?  Sure.  Is it unique to SONIC?  Not by a long shot.  Folks can debate all they want about the morality or political repercussions, but on our end it's very simple: SONIC-females are fully clothed, ergo Sally now wears clothes.

 

 

... I cannot help but be reminded of this:

 

http://www.dailymail...vered-meat.html

 

 

Yes, women are bad but polygamy and religious holidays like Ashura are okay (don't look that up if you're squemish or believe in the sanctity human life). That makes as much sense as putting ice in your oven to cook popcicles. 

 

I'll go with Proverbs 5:18-20 instead for my morals pertaining to the subject. Just sayin'. 

 

 I don't mind Sally in the vest and boots only. She's a cartoon character... What are we going to do next give Bugs Bunnie parachute pants and Daffy a Burka? 

 

As stupid as it sounds, some people who hate Sally Acorn complain about how she was naked. I feel with this redesign, those haters will shut the hell up. It's like SEGA is saying "Hey Sally haters! Sally is fully clothed now! Happy?!" It's also because this "New Mobius" is just like the games, and all female game Sonic characters are fully clothed. Plus, her design is 20 years old now! It's not like giving Sally clothes hinders her character. She's still the same Sally. I don't get why people are still complaining.

 

 

It's not that I'm complaining about her new look; I'm actually looking forward to see Tracy Yardley's artistic take on it. I was just commenting of the double-standard of how genders are handled.

 

 

 I know. I am trying to get at the same thing. 

 

 Did someone mention a sexy Antoine? Would that look Menace's avatar?

[jtreese]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For several years, anti-SatAM fans have complained about Sally being naked and requiring some type of attire to cover her up.

I doubt there have been too many complaints about this. Probably just a small vocal minority at most. I believe her sexualized appearance (which has been a problem now and then ever since artists like Pat Spaziante got ahold of her) is more of a concern than nudity per se.

So FINALLY, when this day happens, Sally gets fully clothed while Antonie is literally stripped naked and yet nobody has a problem with that?

Because Antoine doesn't look sexualized. And thank God for that, really.

 

Agreed.

 

That always bothers me.  Why is it okay for male characters to run around naked but the female characters have to be clothed?  

 

Honestly is it not just as bad when characters obviously feel embarrassed when caught undressed or underdressed? 

 

 

 

Ever since I read this from Ian Flynn:

From: http://ianpotto.devi...-Mill-333572974

Are the new clothes coming from parental complaints over Sally's nakedness?
For pity's sake no!  Yes, there are people out there who would object, but they are of the smallest minority (and need a new hobby).  People getting hot and bothered about "nude" cartoon animals (both for and against)  are the furthest thing from my mind.  These aren't fully realize anthropomorphic entities, they're colorful cartoons with passing likenesses to human anatomy.  For the love all things sensible, would somebody think it racy if I put a couple of parentheses next to each other?  ( ( - woo! Scandalous!

Is there a level of hypocrisy in how nudity is treated between male and female cartoon characters?  Sure.  Is it unique to SONIC?  Not by a long shot.  Folks can debate all they want about the morality or political repercussions, but on our end it's very simple: SONIC-females are fully clothed, ergo Sally now wears clothes.

 

 

... I cannot help but be reminded of this:

 

http://www.dailymail...vered-meat.html

 

 

Yes, women are bad but polygamy and religious holidays like Ashura are okay (don't look that up if you're squemish or believe in the sanctity human life). That makes as much sense as putting ice in your oven to cook popcicles. 

 

I'll go with Proverbs 5:18-20 instead for my morals pertaining to the subject. Just sayin'. 

 

 I don't mind Sally in the vest and boots only. She's a cartoon character... What are we going to do next give Bugs Bunnie parachute pants and Daffy a Burka? 

 

As stupid as it sounds, some people who hate Sally Acorn complain about how she was naked. I feel with this redesign, those haters will shut the hell up. It's like SEGA is saying "Hey Sally haters! Sally is fully clothed now! Happy?!" It's also because this "New Mobius" is just like the games, and all female game Sonic characters are fully clothed. Plus, her design is 20 years old now! It's not like giving Sally clothes hinders her character. She's still the same Sally. I don't get why people are still complaining.

 

 

It's not that I'm complaining about her new look; I'm actually looking forward to see Tracy Yardley's artistic take on it. I was just commenting of the double-standard of how genders are handled.

 

Ever since 1993, male Mobians have been less clothed while females are fully clothed. It's just funny how people are noticing this now since Sally is getting a redesign. It's always been like this.

[Prince ByTor]

Ever since 1993, male Mobians have been less clothed while females are fully clothed. It's just funny how people are noticing this now since Sally is getting a redesign. It's always been like this.

 

 

Both Sally and Bunny were the first female Mobians and debuted in1993; Sally wore only her blue boots and Bunny was a half-robot with a leotard. Amy was the first clothed Mobian who appeared later on Sonic CD outside of Japan and she was essentially Sonic in drag; i.e. they had to put a dress on her so people could tell she was female.

[jtreese]

 

Ever since 1993, male Mobians have been less clothed while females are fully clothed. It's just funny how people are noticing this now since Sally is getting a redesign. It's always been like this.

 

 

Both Sally and Bunny were the first female Mobians and debuted in1993; Sally wore only her blue boots and Bunny was a half-robot with a leotard. Amy was the first clothed Mobian who appeared later on Sonic CD outside of Japan and she was essentially Sonic in drag; i.e. they had to put a dress on her so people could tell she was female.

 

Amy was the first female character IN THE GAMES! They're trying to get those characters redesigned so they look like they would fit IN THE GAMES! That's just how it is.

[Captain Sorzo]

Did someone mention a sexy Antoine? Would that look Menace's avatar?

 

Nah.

 Manly.jpg   25.26KB   3 downloads

[TheRedStranger]

 

Ever since 1993, male Mobians have been less clothed while females are fully clothed. It's just funny how people are noticing this now since Sally is getting a redesign. It's always been like this.

 

 

Both Sally and Bunny were the first female Mobians and debuted in1993; Sally wore only her blue boots and Bunny was a half-robot with a leotard. Amy was the first clothed Mobian who appeared later on Sonic CD outside of Japan and she was essentially Sonic in drag; i.e. they had to put a dress on her so people could tell she was female.

 

 

Sonic in drag  .

 

Isn't that a new power up in Sonic Lost Worlds?

 

 With Sega and there Werehogs, gun toating angsty anthros, and Sonelise the like...I wouldn't surprised.

 

 Watch them then ask Flynn to write it in the comic. 

[Prince ByTor]

Amy was the first female character IN THE GAMES! They're trying to get those characters redesigned so they look like they would fit IN THE GAMES! That's just how it is.

 

 

You didn't specify that in your post I was replying to, and technically speaking we were talking about Sally and the franchise as a whole.

[jtreese]

 

Amy was the first female character IN THE GAMES! They're trying to get those characters redesigned so they look like they would fit IN THE GAMES! That's just how it is.

 

 

You didn't specify that in your first post, and technically speaking we were talking about Sally and the franchise as a whole.

 

I still believe giving her clothes doesn't matter. And the fact that males wear less and females wear more shouldn't matter either. They're anthro animals! All they want is to make Sally look like she was from the games. That's what this "New Mobius" is trying to accomplish. What's so wrong with that?

[TheRedStranger]

Did someone mention a sexy Antoine? Would that look Menace's avatar?

 

Nah.

Manly.jpg

 

[Prince ByTor]

I still believe giving her clothes doesn't matter. And the fact that males wear less and females wear more shouldn't matter either. They're anthro animals! All they want is to make Sally look like she was from the games. That's what this "New Mobius" is trying to accomplish. What's so wrong with that?

 

No, her wearing clothes doesn't matter, but it's a poor excuse to blame it on a sexist rule. And all I was saying was that Ian stating that: "SONIC-females are fully clothed, ergo Sally now wears clothes" reminded me of that cleric saying that woman who didn't wear a burka were like uncovered meat.

If Ian had just said, hey this is her new look! Isn't it awesome! Would've been better than making a sexist double-standard comment.

[FormerlyAKnotholeResident]

It just seems odd that Antonie, one of the FULLY clothed Mobians is now running around naked after 20 years.  I can only imagine the dialogue going on between Sally and Antonie.  Think about it.  How is it fair, that Sally is forced to wear clothes now and at the same time Antoine gets to run around nude?  Its like hes practically hammering it that she has to wear clothes and he doesnt.  I wouldn't have much of an issue with Sally being clothed, cause wasn't that the main debate here for the past decade?  And I'm pretty sure he always wore pants cause thats what it looked like in the cartoon and the comics.  If Im wrong and it was just a coat, its still hypocritical after all that bitching people posted about how naked characters need to be covered.        

[LogiTeeka]

I still believe giving her clothes doesn't matter. And the fact that males wear less and females wear more shouldn't matter either. They're anthro animals! All they want is to make Sally look like she was from the games. That's what this "New Mobius" is trying to accomplish. What's so wrong with that?

No, her wearing clothes doesn't matter, but it's a poor excuse to blame it on a sexist rule. And all I was saying was that Ian stating that: "SONIC-females are fully clothed, ergo Sally now wears clothes" reminded me of that cleric saying that woman who didn't wear a burka were like uncovered meat.
If Ian had just said, hey this is her new look! Isn't it awesome! Would've been better than making a sexist double-standard comment.

He wasn't trying to sound sexist or anything, he was stating the painfully obvious. I mean, Sally's design does stick out from the average female Mobian and feels slightly outta place due to it. Heck, Bunnie's original design was closer to the official style than Sally was, so it makes sense to bring Sally closer to the style.

Giving her clothes and slightly altering her appearance doesn't make it sexist. There's nothing in Sega's mandates against having strong, uptight female characters who specialize in anaytical tactics and leadership affairs. If there was... and they made her more [stereotypically] girlish in personality and overall role, I would definitely consider that sexist.

[Prince ByTor]

It's amazing: nobody gets what I'm saying even though I've recapitulated at least twice.

[LogiTeeka]

Funny. Every time this subject comes up, I'm always reminded of this:

http://m.youtube.com...h?v=kbg0ycJGAa0

(WARNING: viewer discretion advised)