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[Prince ByTor]

 

I wanna give it a chance but the classic side of me doesnt like it. I mean they had the same look for the past 20+ years and now they decide its time to change it. i understand they wanna keep it similar to the Games but look at Sally from the picture that was posted, it took me a moment to realize who it was.

 

It's her eyes; the shape and quality are too different.

[MoKat]

Antoine: Is it just me or is anyone else getting some Other M vibes here?

 

Heh, it isn't just -you-, Mike...

[Mike Arcade]

 

Antoine: Is it just me or is anyone else getting some Other M vibes here?

 

Heh, it isn't just -you-, Mike...

 

Well I'm not complaining, Other M's story was awesome! I wished that the comic had a consistent art style and that Ian would have told us what would have happened had the comic continued, but what we got at that time was really good. Hell Ian makes a few nods to it such as The Suppression Squad's new outfits (lifted from the Prelate Chaotix) and most obviously the Dark Future Freedom Fighters.

[Uncle Ben]

Hey no problem man, I really do get it myself but while I do love the SatAM and like the Archie Comic a lot, I didn't really collect or watch every issue and show, I didn't even see SatAM until it was online and even then I started to really watch it when I got the Shout DVD Collection. I'm just really chill when it comes to stuff like this, dunno why but that's just me.

 

But as i said, they should of done it years ago instead of now

[Mike Arcade]

 

Hey no problem man, I really do get it myself but while I do love the SatAM and like the Archie Comic a lot, I didn't really collect or watch every issue and show, I didn't even see SatAM until it was online and even then I started to really watch it when I got the Shout DVD Collection. I'm just really chill when it comes to stuff like this, dunno why but that's just me.

 

But as i said, they should of done it years ago instead of now

 

 

Okay then, what year and what team in the Archie Comics would you have do the redesigns? I don't really know how Ian could have worked in redesigns when he and his team started back in 2006 or 2007, as Archie pretty much told them to clean up the mess the Penders/Bollers run had left behind, and if we are talking about before Ian's run then I'm guessing a redesign during or before the Sonic Adventure adaption would be the case or anytime after that during the Penders/Bollers run. However I ask you this, would you REALLY want Penders  and/or Bollers to redesign the characters? While I do like Penders earlier stuff (though it has not held up too well due to it being overly complex) the thought that either of those guys doing redesigns for everyone else is a scary though...

[Uncle Ben]

Point taken, though i think its the artists who come up with the redesigns. If it were to happen sooner i think when Flynn just started out. and it didnt have to be spontainous like its going to be, hell if it was gradual i wouldnt have that much of a problem with it (i still would have a problem with it) They just make it seem forced if anything, like bam they are redesigned, deal with it

[Mike Arcade]

Point taken, though i think its the artists who come up with the redesigns. If it were to happen sooner i think when Flynn just started out. and it didnt have to be spontainous like its going to be, hell if it was gradual i wouldnt have that much of a problem with it (i still would have a problem with it) They just make it seem forced if anything, like bam they are redesigned, deal with it

 

To be fair, Ian DID have to prove himself to Archie in order to get a good amount of control, after all that clean up he did Ian got to do the stuff he wanted to, but when all that stuff happened was where things got messed up. If anything Ian and the writers got screwed over as much as we did. It's only now that they can make things better again, truth be told previous writers (such as Penders, Ironically enough) got screwed over and couldn't do some stuff they wanted to due to stuff being rejected and indefinitely on hold due to mandates from both Archie and Sega. I would call this Ian and Co.'s TRUE test for this comic as much like the writers and teams before them, they have to deal with the same to similar things the previous ones had to endure. Only in this case, one of the causes for this is a former writer of the comic itself. Nobody said Irony wasn't a bitch.

 

I DO like what I've seen though, as the soft reset ITSELF can be a story arc with more and more characters remembering the old, "colorful" world gradually as the comic continues from now on. The crazy things that can come of it, the identity crisis characters could have, as many a villain in stories have said...THINK OF THE POSSIBLITES!!! And if a few have to be sacrificed to make the world a better place, SO BE IT!!!!!! *Insane Laughter*

 

Hehe, sorry about that, went a little nuts there. But seriously I do hope those old characters come back, and at the same time I am ready to see what this soft reset world will bring.
 

[bwrosas]

 

 

11:05 AM, Wednesday, August 28, 2013.

 

Within the past 24 to 48 hours, many fans on this message board and others have received issue 252 and within the past week almost have read and looked at the six page preview, many ask the question, and that question is : ''What was the point of the past two years of this story arc?"

 

Now that is a very good question.  Many feel that there was no point whatsoever for Ian Flynn to write this story arc and place established characters into situations that as of 252 and the upcoming Countdown To Chaos will have no resolve whatsoever.  In other words have no absolute conclusion.  Why would fans feel this way?, Mainly because Ian Flynn with all due respect in my opinion wrote himself into a corner.

 

Now I'm not saying that to be bias, I'm saying that because from what has gone on behind the scenes, it seems that it is the most logical answer.  You see, Ian Flynn had to alter/change his original plans of the story arc because of what happened behind the scenes.  And to me with all due respect, I feel even though Ian had planned this story arc out from beginning to end, that he did not have a plan set in place in case something happened that would be beyond his control.  Because it seems that a lot of the edits and changes that were made to the issues in the story arc were done almost at the last minute/11th hour, in other words almost right to the last second of the deadline that the story was required to be ready for publication because of what happened behind the scenes.

 

Longtime fans and new fans can blame the lawsuit for these sudden changes and alteration of plans in the story arc.  Some can blame the interference of Sega and Capcom was sticking their nose in at the wrong time in ordering the crossover to take place during the planned schedule time that Ian was hoping to wrap up his current story arc.  And again some fans can blame Ian Flynn himself.  Once again though, with all due respect to Ian Flynn, I believe as a longtime fan myself, someone who is read the comic from the very beginning and started to officially subscribed to it since issue 72 which should be about 180 issues ago this month, I believe that he had everything set and ready to go as planned, but the downfall was the fact that he didn't plan out a backup plan in case anything would happen behind the scenes.  Thus the reason why some fans are confused and if not more upset at the fact that Ian Flynn took them on a two-year ride with no final destination insight.   

 

However in reality, a change of plans is not uncommon.  A couple of weeks ago, my second older sister and her husband were supposed to fly out of Las Vegas and come here to pick up the sons on the 18th of this month, but because mother nature decided to rain down on their plans, they had to wait an extra day and then fly out finally and get their kids.  Another example would be myself during that same situation, for you see I had planned to wake my nine-year-old nephew up to get him ready for school when his dad's father would pick him up and take him there, and while he would be gone, I would relax, do some vids for my YouTube channel, and possibly watch some movies as well as see what was going on on the Internet.  But because of the fact that my second older sister and her husband had to wait an extra day, their sons were here and thus that had altered my plans.  So again a change of plans is not uncommon in life.  One more example would be the fact, that my oldest sister was going to take my now 21-year-old niece to see American storm in Las Vegas, but because of the fact that they were on tour, a change of plans and destination had to be made, thus they decided to do the traditional Chippendale's instead.  And once again this shows that even though we plan out something and hope to achieve it and see it happen as we plan it out, sometimes plans will be altered and changed and if a destination is in mind within those plans, that it too can be altered and changed.  And that is exactly what happened with Ian Flynn's story arc.

 

Now one could argue, that even if that is the case, why was there no conclusion?  Because Ian's orginal plans for the story arc were altered and changed because he did not have a backup plan just in case certain things happened behind the scenes that would be beyond his control.

 

But I will say this, Ian and Paul do owe a straight forward, truthful explanation as to what the point was to the story arc of the past 2 1/2 years.  I will say that they do owe the entire fan base, the readers/subscribers an explanation.

 

And that is my take on this whole situation that's been talked about for the past week and more recently for the past 24 to 48 hours.

 

11:35 AM, Wednesday, August 28, 2013

[Prince ByTor]

Hey, check this out: Link.

 

It's from E-122-Psi's Deviantart page.

[TheRedStranger]

I honestly thank God I am not in Ian's postion...

 

 As fans we might not be able to profit from our fan-story's and art but we can express our love for the frachise any way we want without executive meddeling. One wrench in the gear can ruin everything.  SEGA should keep it's mouth shut and trust the writers a bit more and give them more slack to do intresting things with the characters.  

 

 I actually wish they'd break off and do another comic that can shake up the continuity and deviate in other complex and dramatic directions. It could be as different as The Brave and The Bold and Batman The Animated Series from the 90's. Same characters nut different conclusions, and different tone.

[Prince ByTor]

I honestly thank God I am not in Ian's postion...

 

 As fans we might not be able to profit from our fan-story's and art but we can express our love for the frachise any way we want without executive meddeling. One wrench in the gear can ruin everything.  SEGA should keep it's mouth shut and trust the writers a bit more and give them more slack to do intresting things with the characters.  

 

 I actually wish they'd break off and do another comic that can shake up the continuity and deviate in other complex and dramatic directions. It could be as different as The Brave and The Bold and Batman The Animated Series from the 90's. Same characters nut different conclusions, and different tone.

 

Agreed, in my opinion Ian Flynn doesn't get enough credit; I would love to know what Sega and Archie have mandated.

I guess you're right; in the end these characters belong to us fans, not any of these companies. Heck, take a look at this site; there's a good chance that they'll be making an animated third season of the show; WITHOUT SEGA'S CONSENT OR HELP!

We are die-hard fans and have grown tired of playing Sega's little game; besides that WE can make our stories WITHOUT SEGA'S FAT NOSE getting in the way mandating what we can and can't do with our stories; including Sea3on!

 

I love these characters and the SatAM story; without them I wouldn't be a fan who buys their merchandise and plays their games. Even after all of this re-design crap when I think of Sally's, Bunny's, Antoine's, Rotor's, and everyone else from the series' designs I will think of the SatAM ones done by Ken Kinoshita:

[TheRedStranger]

Geez, Robotnik is some much more menacing than Eggman. 

[LogiTeeka]

Geez, Robotnik is some much more menacing than Eggman. 

 

Oh really?

 

 

Honestly, while I found the SatAM Robotnik menacing (mostly due to Jim Cumming's bone-chilling performance), I don't think he was nearly as interesting as Eggman. Where Julian was just scary, Eggman had a lot more to his character. He was goofy and silly at times, but can still be a serious threat (sorta like the Joker in "Batman:TAS"). His depiction in both SA1 and SA2 were good examples of this.

 

It wasn't until "Sonic X" that the friendlier, "don't kill" depiction of Eggman appeared. Ever since then, Eggman has had an even goofier, kid-friendly depiction. There are still times where he poses a big threat to the world, like during the opening of "Unleashed" and mind-controlling Tails in "Colors", but they don't last that long.

 

Despite that, I still think the most terrifying depiction of Robotnik/Eggman was in Fleetway's "Sonic the Comic".

 

 

Yeesh! 

[bwrosas]

 

 

 

 

Friday, August 30, 2013.  Start time : 2:51 PM

 

 

 

The other day I talked about the fact that fans were asking the question of what was the point of the past 2 1/2 years of story.   Well, another question that has arisen over the past week or so, is "What was the point of robotizing Sally and modifying and weaponzing her if there wasn't going to be a payoff."

 

Believe it or not, those that actually supported Ian's decision to turn Sally into a robot and modifier her, are actually now asking the question of what was the point if we're not going to get a proper payoff.  And that along with the other question are good questions to ask and that need to be answered.

 

Fans who had been against what Ian did to Sally, will come out and say that the reason we will not have a proper conclusion is due to the fact that what they had said over the past two years if not year and a half is true.   You see, a strong majority of fans had accused Ian Flynn of having Eggman gut Sally from the inside out.  In other words, fans accused Ian of having Eggman take Sally apart internally and rebuild her as nothing more than a battle ready Mecha robot.  Thus, the reasoning for what we saw at the New York comic con in October of last year and more recently what we had seen on the final page of issue 252.  In other words, what they see instead as a proper conclusion and a possible restoration of Sally back to flesh and blood, instead what they see is a copout or in other words a DEM.

 

There is no doubt, that the other majority of fans will counter this and say give it a chance, that we may still get an explanation.  But even these fans will admit and asked the question of what was the point of her being turned into a robot for the past two years.

 

Some fans will point out,  that issue after issue after issue, it was the same old pattern repeated over and over and over again.  That being, fight Sally, almost rescue Sally, then let Sally escape, rinse and repeat.  Which they will point out and say, that it was an unnecessary ride that Ian took us on with no final destination insight, thus the reason for the copout, instead of a proper conclusion.

 

I for one, will sit and wait, I will read the issues starting with 252 and going forward, because I, a longtime fan for the past 20 years, I'm hoping we get a proper explanation as to why now Sally is back to normal, new redesign and all.

 

I'm not afraid to admit, that I didn't like what he did to Sally, but for the past two years I dealt with it in my own way, true I still subscribed to the comic, but during the whole time she was a robot, I never opened a single issue.  But now I will.  I will open those issues, I will take a picture and video, so that you guys can see it for yourselves.  But again, I'm not afraid to admit that I didn't like what he did, because one, through the summaries and scans that were posted at several of the Sonic message boards, including this one, I just cannot picture Sally saying the things that she said when she was a robot to her friends.  True, story wise, she was not in control of her own actions, but still I could not bear myself to see her say those kind of things.  And that's coming from a longtime 20 year fan of the comic and yes even the Saturday morning show.  

 

But still, several fans will ask, "What was the point of this whole story arc of her being a robot, if there is not going to be a proper payoff?"

 

As I said before, if Ian Flynn does owe the fan base anything, it is a proper straightforward explanation as to what the point, if any, there was behind turning Sally into a battle ready robot.

 

 

Friday, August 30, 2013, finished time : 3:15 PM

[Mike Arcade]

 

Geez, Robotnik is some much more menacing than Eggman. 

 

Oh really?

 

*Sonic X Eggman*

 

Honestly, while I found the SatAM Robotnik menacing (mostly due to Jim Cumming's bone-chilling performance), I don't think he was nearly as interesting as Eggman. Where Julian was just scary, Eggman had a lot more to his character. He was goofy and silly at times, but can still be a serious threat (sorta like the Joker in "Batman:TAS"). His depiction in both SA1 and SA2 were good examples of this.

 

It wasn't until "Sonic X" that the friendlier, "don't kill" depiction of Eggman appeared. Ever since then, Eggman has had an even goofier, kid-friendly depiction. There are still times where he poses a big threat to the world, like during the opening of "Unleashed" and mind-controlling Tails in "Colors", but they don't last that long.

 

Despite that, I still think the most terrifying depiction of Robotnik/Eggman was in Fleetway's "Sonic the Comic".

 

*Fleetway Robotnik*

 

Yeesh! 

 

 

Speaking of Eggman being intimidating, check this out...

 

 
...you were saying?

Logi how could you forget putting that picture up?
 

[LogiTeeka]

Logi how could you forget putting that picture up?

 

I must've forgotten it. 

 

Shame too because that's a scary moment as well.

[TheRedStranger]

 

Logi how could you forget putting that picture up?

 

I must've forgotten it. 

 

Shame too because that's a scary moment as well.

 

 

 Oh this was not the Eggman I'm refering to. I am refering to "Baldy Mcnosehair" (the game Eggman).

 

 I see this guy, and I think "Beware Robotniks in Eggman clothing."

[jtreese]

If you guys thought the variant is bad, just look at the prototype cover for that same variant.

 

 

 

[Prime]

If you guys thought the variant is bad, just look at the prototype cover for that same variant.

 

 

 

 

It's exactly the same except the fact it's brighter, Sonic's hand is open instead of balled up into a fist and the random "VARIANT" text across Nicole.

 

Can't say it's better or worse then the other version because it's 95% the same bag of shit as it always has been.

 

And prototype is the wrong word to use for this.

[Janus]

I'm still not too keen on the redesigns of Antoine and Sally.  But it is preferable to having them not appear at all.