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Fellow FUSer
Posted 17 June 2013 - 10:18 PM
Yet a quick look on IMDB reveals he has written just 6 episodes of Pony and his South Park credits are for two episodes
Yeah, well, Len Janson is credited on IMDB for "only" five episodes of SatAM, but even Ben Hurst said Janson was largely responsible for the first season of the show, including setting the show's general tone.
Point being that it's hard to judge this guy one way or the other.
Shuffle up the Wildcards! And deal 'em!
Posted 18 June 2013 - 03:51 AM
Yet a quick look on IMDB reveals he has written just 6 episodes of Pony and his South Park credits are for two episodes
Yeah, well, Len Janson is credited on IMDB for "only" five episodes of SatAM, but even Ben Hurst said Janson was largely responsible for the first season of the show, including setting the show's general tone.
Point being that it's hard to judge this guy one way or the other.
Yeah, Janson was pretty much the show runner on the first season. And sure it was only 5 episodes, but 5 episodes out of 26 isn't bad for the series run, while Dave Polsky's South Park credit is 2 episodes out of 237.
I honestly doubt this Dave Polsky guy was a show runner on South Park or My Little Pony though. Dude is probably a freelance writer and is most likely using this two shows to drum up interest because they are probably the biggest projects he has his name attached to.
I agree it's hard to judge one way or the other, but should people be getting pumped over this guy working on a new Sonic cartoon just because he worked on My Little Pony and South Park without looking up what he did for those two shows exactly? It seemed to me people are screaming "OMG! A MLP writer on a new Sonic cartoon! SIGN ME UP!" just on the grounds of his credit to ponies alone and not checking up what episodes he wrote. Like I said, he could have written some lukewarm or terrible episodes.
And as for the South Park one, it's 2 episodes out of it's 237 total, one as a staff writer and the other for additional material isn't something to really to get excited about. I look at it like being a writer for Hollywood. I remember watching a documentary of the Nightmare on Elm Street series on the 5th entry of the series and they were interviewing some of the writers brought in for drafts. One of the writers handed in his draft which wasn't used, but the makers of the movie took one line from his draft and put it in the movie and he got a writing credit for it despite the story of the movie not being his. Some writers can use that to their advantage, but others will look at that and think "Why did they credit me for this when it's not even my story?"
Fellow FUSer
Posted 18 June 2013 - 06:26 AM
Yeah, the system for writing credit in Hollywood is messed up (and TV uses the same guild, so the system is probably just as messed up there). There was at least one occasion where Terry Gilliam was pissed off because he was forced to credit writers who had nothing to do with the final product, not even one line. The system is designed to protect writers, but the actual results are sometimes strange.
Fellow FUSer
Posted 18 June 2013 - 10:43 AM
It's not only writers, though. My Philosophy teacher once told us that he was asked to correct a preliminary version of a textbook. He said he made lots of corrections and changes since the original text was all wrong. He was paid, credited as part of the staff and sent a copy. When he checked it, he realised that not one of his corrections had made it to the final book.
I don't think that's unfair though, if you think of this same situation applied to writers. They made not have liked his work, but he still did his part of the contract. I don't see why those cases shouldn't be credited.
Everybody's Favorite Uncle ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Posted 18 June 2013 - 11:28 AM
This will be a wait and see thing for me. Even if he barely worked on South Park and MLP, he still worked on it so he knows how the process goes (plus if South Park can spit out an episode a week this guy may have some good ideas)
Fellow FUSer
Posted 18 June 2013 - 11:51 AM
I think I'll give it a chance to watch this new show... depends if it's good enough. And will the animation style be like Friendship is Magic? Really?...
And will you members in this board will watch this new sonic cartoon?
Also, I heard a lot of sonic games fans will watch this, because they think it's true of the games and not like SatAM.
Fellow FUSer
Posted 18 June 2013 - 12:23 PM
Also, I heard a lot of sonic games fans will watch this, because they think it's true of the games and not like SatAM.
Being true to the game.....last time they did it, it was in Sonic X *shudder*
Of course, being a video game adaptation, it's normal to expect this show to be faithful to the source material. But being faithfull is not enough. It need good writting, presentation, voice acting, etc. Sonic SatAM had little to based his story with, and still manage to came up with something good. Now, there's alot of stuff they can based their story with, but it still amazed me how Sega usually fucked it up! What would be the result of this next show, all honestly, i rather don't know...
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Fellow FUSer
Posted 18 June 2013 - 01:38 PM
It's anybody's guess. But since this series is mentioned to be a "reboot", it's possible that it'll be doing its own thing instead of fallowing the games' plots. It'll have characters from the games, but the appoach sounds totally different.
With that said, I hoping the series will be good. I haven't seen much of MLP to judge for myself, but I've watched the new "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" series on Nickelodeon. And honestly, it's the best incarnation of the turtles I've seen. It has lots of humor and goofiness, but also plenty of action, drama, and character to keep you interested. If anything, I'm hoping the new Sonic show will be like this.
The Urban Ranger
Posted 18 June 2013 - 01:43 PM
I think I'll give it a chance to watch this new show... depends if it's good enough. And will the animation style be like Friendship is Magic? Really?
Fellow FUSer
Posted 18 June 2013 - 01:45 PM
With that said, I hoping the series will be good. I haven't seen much of MLP to judge for myself, but I've watched the new "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" series on Nickelodeon. And honestly, it's the best incarnation of the turtles I've seen. It has lots of humor and goofiness, but also plenty of action, drama, and character to keep you interested. If anything, I'm hoping the new Sonic show will be like this.
I think you ask for too much. If Sega want to make a particular style, i'll be probably just goofy with horrible writting (like Unleashed, Generation or Colors)
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Fellow FUSer
Posted 18 June 2013 - 01:58 PM
Honestly, I liked "Unleashed". It wasn't great or anything, but it felt like Sega's last effort to give a Sonic game an epic story. It was the first Sonic game I enjoyed since "Sonic Heroes".
It wasn't until "Colors" that I felt the writing started to get dumbed down. It had a few good jokes here and there, but the story was almost nonexistent and kinda boring (despite its interesting premise). In my opinion, the best scenes were with Dr. Eggman and his robotic assistants, Orbot and Cubot.
But the worst writing has to go to "Generations". Damn... They didn't even try. Nothing dramatic happened and there were little to no jokes. When I first saw it, I was expecting an interesting story for this game. Instead, it was as boring as a lecture on time travel... which it was.
Fellow FUSer
Posted 18 June 2013 - 02:07 PM
Honestly, I liked "Unleashed". It wasn't great or anything, but it felt like Sega's last effort to give a Sonic game an epic story. It was the first Sonic game I enjoyed since "Sonic Heroes".
It wasn't until "Colors" that I felt the writing started to get dumbed down. It had a few good jokes here and there, but the story was almost nonexistent and kinda boring (despite its interesting premise). In my opinion, the best scenes were with Dr. Eggman and his robotic assistants, Orbot and Cubot.
But the worst writing has to go to "Generations". Damn... They didn't even try. Nothing dramatic happened and there were little to no jokes. When I first saw it, I was expecting an interesting story for this game. Instead, it was as boring as a lecture on time travel... which it was.
The story in Unleashed was HORRIBLE for many reason. First, all the cool stuff (in other words, the climax) all happen in the intro. For the rest of the game, we only have over-exposition....and Chip. Speaking of him, the Sonic Team try SO HARD to make him funny, but failling with disastrous proportion! The story don't have any build-up whatsoever. Also, Eggman finaly realize his life-goal: Build Eggman-Land......totally off-screen.
They introduce Professor Pickles, who's here to steal the Tails job (do some boring exposition). For there, all we have is a uninteresting story of ''find all the emerald to save the day, the end''.
If my english can look like crap, don't kill me...please? French is my native language!
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Fellow FUSer
Posted 18 June 2013 - 02:32 PM
The story in Unleashed was HORRIBLE for many reason. First, all the cool stuff (in other words, the climax) all happen in the intro. For the rest of the game, we only have over-exposition....and Chip. Speaking of him, the Sonic Team try SO HARD to make him funny, but failling with disastrous proportion! The story don't have any build-up whatsoever. Also, Eggman finaly realize his life-goal: Build Eggman-Land......totally off-screen.
They introduce Professor Pickles, who's here to steal the Tails job (do some boring exposition). For there, all we have is a uninteresting story of ''find all the emerald to save the day, the end''.
I didn't find anything wrong with the beginning. It was epic and told the premise the entre game.
As for the exposition, SA1 and SA2 did the same thing. Sure, it took a while to get to the action, but I like how "Sonic Unleashed" took its time in developing the world it took place in. For once, it didn't feel rushed. At least Professor Pickle's role made sense; he was an elderly scholer familiar with the ancient history of Mobius/Earth and Tails' possible teacher. It makes sense for him to explain his findings to Sonic.
As for the Eggmanland thing, the whole game takes place over several days. And seeing how he's able to produce massive fleets within a short amount of time, who am I to argue? Heck, I like to think that "Unleashed" takes place sometime after "Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood's" ending, in which Sonic and company disappeared for six months, allowing Eggman enough time to rebuild Eggmanland and his fleet when they returned.
Also, by saying Professor Pickle took Tails' job, are you implying that Tails only role in the series is to spout exposition?
Fellow FUSer
Posted 18 June 2013 - 02:39 PM
You may take a look at this video, in which they could explain way better than i can do about the story of Sonic Unleashed (i suggest to skip to 5:50 to get to the part where they talked about Unleashed):
Also, by saying Professor Pickle took Tails' job, are you implying that Tails only role in the series is to spout exposition?
No, what i mean is that this is what Sonic team has reduced Tails into.
If my english can look like crap, don't kill me...please? French is my native language!
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Fellow FUSer
Posted 18 June 2013 - 02:43 PM
Dunno about you guys, but I don't play games like Sonic Generations for the story.
Fellow FUSer
Posted 18 June 2013 - 02:45 PM
Dunno about you guys, but I don't play games like Sonic Generations for the story.
Me either, but the story is still shit.
If my english can look like crap, don't kill me...please? French is my native language!
PS: I love bacon. Why? Because i said so...(i also love the Dreamcast)
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Fellow FUSer
Posted 18 June 2013 - 02:58 PM
You may take a look at this video, in which they could explain way better than i can do about the story of Sonic Unleashed (i suggest to skip to 5:50 to get to the part where they talked about Unleashed):
To be honest, I dislike this series. Those guys are overly nit-picky in their opinions to the point where I wonder why they're even fans in the first place.
The more you nit-pick something, the more you dislike it. Soon, everything you once enjoyed is lost and there's nothing left to enjoy. It's like taking apart a cake: you can remove the parts you dislike, but you leave the cake in crumbs. It ruins what little fun you can have.
Fellow FUSer
Posted 18 June 2013 - 03:44 PM
To be honest, I dislike this series. Those guys are overly nit-picky in their opinions to the point where I wonder why they're even fans in the first place.
It's NOT their opinion. They are there to make point based on the actual fact. Nit-picking or not, they made very good point.
Watch the whole serie. They talked about good stuff when stuff are actually good. As for me, there's game that i like in the Sonic series and some which i don't. Will you tell me i'm not a fan only because there's some game i dislike?
If my english can look like crap, don't kill me...please? French is my native language!
PS: I love bacon. Why? Because i said so...(i also love the Dreamcast)
My Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ZoneofDoom
It's great to be different.
Posted 18 June 2013 - 05:04 PM
... lol it's funny, I was at the panel when Polsky mentioned this... I was like "Oh shit, I didn't know there was new Sonic show! I'll have to check it out when I get home." and then I find out it was the first time it was mentioned 
I would have asked more questions about it if I knew about that.
Anyway, sounds... interesting... hopefully it's at least somewhat decent.
I just wanted to tell you that the hardest thing I've faced
Wasn't the teasing or the pain
It was convincing myself I wasn't stupid, strange, or lame
And helping others do the same.
Forest Rain
Fellow FUSer
Posted 18 June 2013 - 05:18 PM
To be honest, I dislike this series. Those guys are overly nit-picky in their opinions to the point where I wonder why they're even fans in the first place.
It's NOT their opinion. They are there to make point based on the actual fact. Nit-picking or not, they made very good point.
Watch the whole serie. They talked about good stuff when stuff are actually good. As for me, there's game that i like in the Sonic series and some which i don't. Will you tell me i'm not a fan only because there's some game i dislike?
No, but if you're overly picky about something, it makes it hard to fully enjoy anything. There are things which I dislike, like boring stuff and ideas that aren't fully thought out, but I like looking for positives. Being negative all the time feels selfish, and that's just sad. When I'm offered something, I try my best to enjoy it; despite its flaws. That's all I'm saying.
It's subjects like these that make me despise being a Sonic fan. It's, without a doubt, one of the most pickiest fanbases out there. If it's not problematic plots, most fans are complaining about small things like Sonic's green eyes or shipping romances. It's no wonder why Sega's having a difficult time developing games, we can't make up our minds.
... lol it's funny, I was at the panel when Polsky mentioned this... I was like "Oh shit, I didn't know there was new Sonic show! I'll have to check it out when I get home." and then I find out it was the first time it was mentioned
I would have asked more questions about it if I knew about that.
Anyway, sounds... interesting... hopefully it's at least somewhat decent.
Oh, so they actually mentioned it? I guess there is something in the works...
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