hmm. so as long as antoine accepts her for who and what she is, she's fine. that's noble and cute, and i can understand that. as for an uglier side for bunnie...i'm not sure that will work. unless she was (at least partially) responsible for something disastrous, such as say, a freedom fighter being killed in battle, or a nightmare from her past coming back to haunt her.
perhaps she, like sally is just portrayed as too "perfect"...
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How to Save Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie)
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Posted 12 June 2008 - 02:44 PM
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hmm. so as long as antoine accepts her for who and what she is, she's fine.
That's why I'm saying to get rid of the relationship. Bunnie's life is too perfect. She needs some conflict to keep readers interested. I think the only reason she was thrusted upon Antoine so suddenly was because pairing those two would in theory prevent future creatives from attempting to fulfil the Source of All prophecy. Albiet even if they stayed married it doesn't prevent much if anything. Antoine could even be killed and stay dead and no much would be accompished. In any case I'm not saying Antoine and Bunnie can't be on good terms. But I'm just not seeing how it'd work to Bunnie's best interest if she's already with him. At least as far as a readership goes.
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and i can understand that. as for an uglier side for bunnie...i'm not sure that will work. unless she was (at least partially) responsible for something disastrous, such as say, a freedom fighter being killed in battle, or a nightmare from her past coming back to haunt her
Antoine being dead and gone or broken up with Bunnie--leaving her to be insecure about herself may easily bring some ugliness out of her. I mean when "Antoine" was gone she went behind her best friends back and tried to start something with Sonic. The SAME person who was cold and nasty to Mina because she didn't want anyone to "steal" Sonic from Sally.
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Posted 12 June 2008 - 05:12 PM
wait wait... yuo're telling me the only reason antoine and bunnie got married (and with next to NO fanfare, either!), is to spite and basically screw any future writers that try to use those two to their full potential? lame LAME LAME!!!
I suppose this is why the storyline is such a big mess.... the writers have egos the size of robotnik's ass, and becuase of that, it's limiting th estory and stunting its growth. >.<
I suppose this is why the storyline is such a big mess.... the writers have egos the size of robotnik's ass, and becuase of that, it's limiting th estory and stunting its growth. >.<
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Posted 12 June 2008 - 10:37 PM
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wait wait... yuo're telling me the only reason antoine and bunnie got married (and with next to NO fanfare, either!), is to spite and basically screw any future writers that try to use those two to their full potential?
No, I'm satying they're married was to spite future writers who may try to work with the "Source of All" Prophecy. The Source being something who can relay visions of the future. The source had shown a vision of Sally marrying what appeared to be Antoine (keep that word "appeared" in mind). So being the huge shipper that he probably is, first Ian destroys the remaining traces of the source and then ruins Bunnie's potential by marrying her off with Antoine. By marrying Bunnie to him, it'd in theory make it very difficult for newer writers to try attacking the Source prophecy by because the prime Antoine is married to Sally.
But if that's the game plan it's not really securing anything. It only appeared to be Antoine in the vision. It doesn't mean it has to be him. As Max demonstrated it's possible to be mistaken about which Antoine is in the vision because that's (obviously) all he got. A vision with the ability to see the thoughts of those involved. It could be a robotic Antoine who learns to love, an angel sent by the chaos force, an Antoine from another zone. There are so many ways to bring into the story someone who has a resemblence to Antoine, that simply marrying off the prime version doesn't adequately secure his SonSal shipper needs.
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Posted 13 June 2008 - 08:55 AM
ok, i get it. actualy, sally DID marry antoine... Evil antoine, that is. the second she found out, she was horrified, however, but luckily, elias came and saved the day by anulling their marriage.
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Posted 13 June 2008 - 11:46 AM
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sally DID marry antoine... Evil antoine, that is. the second she found out, she was horrified, however, but luckily, elias came and saved the day by anulling their marriage.
The problem with saying Anti Antoine fulfilled the prophecy is that "Line of Succession" neglects to acknowledge the fact that the Source shows the thoughts of those within them. This is evidenced in 111 as Sally can learn out of nowhere the genetic memory the Spider Ninja possess of their mother, and in SSS#11 you are able to learn the thoughts of Queen Sally. Often times this ability isn't played on, largely because visions are usually described in one panel.
So with that in mind, If the Source TRULY portrayed Patch in the vision, then the King would've never chose him. Max would've known of his foul intentions throughout and after the ceremony if he'd been able to read Patch's mind. Quite the contrary. He was well assured that both Sally and "Antoine" would be happy because of what he saw. Ken sadly (for him) opened a lot of worms. For instance: Why DIDN'T her marriage to Patch ever get alerted to the king. Probably because whomever this "Antoine" is, will be her final mate. It could be a year from "now" (Mobian time) or 30 years later should she decide she and Sonic aren't a happy couple. I think Max is understanding that it's the future, and he doesn't have to force it like assumed he had to in issue 60.
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Posted 13 June 2008 - 01:59 PM
i thought patch (evil antoine) poisoned the king at the time and he was in a coma, which rendered him unable to do anything. however, i wouldn't put it past max, as he's not exactly the most competent ruler mobius had.
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Posted 13 June 2008 - 04:01 PM
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i thought patch (evil antoine) poisoned the king at the time and he was in a coma, which rendered him unable to do anything.
Max selected Antoine as Sally's mate. with a clear lacking of knowledge of Patch's true intentions. The fact that Max didn't know what Patch was thinking throughout the ceremony makes the plausibility of the Antoine he saw being him null.
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however, i wouldn't put it past max, as he's not exactly the most competent ruler mobius had.
To be fair, the source foretold of a good future, one that made him happy and overjoyed. He considered any love interests besides the one in his vision as foolish. When you know the future, and see your daughter dealing with relationships that won't last, this could be a very common reaction. Even if she doesn't know yet it won't work you do, and you'll have to watch her dissapointment when it's over. Patch LOOKED exactly like Antoine. The only reason we knew he's wasn't the one prophecized about before and during the wedding was because we could read Patch's mind.
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Posted 15 June 2008 - 06:50 AM
Source or not, I'd say that for the ongoing theme of her character, Bunnie should probably also stay single. Not to say that she can't have a primary love interest or what have you that she's interested in, but there needs to be obstacles that keeps them apart so that her life doesn't end up becoming too perfect. That said, I think Antione and Bunnie need to somehow.. break up, because he's really holding her back in potential. You can't evoke as much about her because he's compensating for every insecurity or problem she might've had that could've made her more interesting to viewers.
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Posted 15 June 2008 - 07:56 AM
The only way Bunnie and Antoine can really "break up" is through divorce, which I highly doubt they'd put into a kids' comic.
...Unless they do "One More Day: Sonic Edition".
...Unless they do "One More Day: Sonic Edition".
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Posted 15 June 2008 - 08:35 AM
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The only way Bunnie and Antoine can really "break up" is through divorce, which I highly doubt they'd put into a kids' comic.
...Unless they do "One More Day: Sonic Edition".
...Unless they do "One More Day: Sonic Edition".
They made Lara-le and Locke divorce. Sally's marriage to "Patch" was annulled too.
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Posted 15 June 2008 - 08:57 AM
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They made Lara-le and Locke divorce. Sally's marriage to "Patch" was annulled too.
True, but maybe a divorce isn't even necessary. There's also the fact that Antione can die, or the option that there could be outside forces that end up altering him or his character in a way that would force the relationship to a halt. Then again, I guess that could be said for the other pairings as well.
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Posted 16 June 2008 - 07:18 AM
I highly doubt Antoine and Bunnie will ever divorce.
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I highly doubt Antoine and Bunnie will ever divorce.
Under Ian's writing, I'd have to agree with you there, Exor. But they could still technically could divorce given the proper circumstance, and there are again other ways you could break them apart if need be.
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