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Who Should Sonic Be Making Out With?

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#61 MistressAli

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Posted 24 September 2008 - 02:00 PM

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False. It is not usually attributed to canon storylines, because it is a characteristic of very amatuer writing. However all the Mary Sue tropes can be canon, most commonly Possession Sue:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... sessionSue

According to that article, a fanfic author takes a canon character (that they really like usually and turns them into a mary sue type character by warping that char into their 'ideal vision' of the character. To me, I wouldn't label that 'mary sue.' I would label it bad writing, or simply writing the character OOC. But since people like to throw that 'mary sue' label around as much as they toss around the word 'emo'.... I mean, goodness, mary sue has it's own sub-categories and shit now? What happened to just simply stating a character is badly or well written?
The article didn't mention anything about the original canon character as being a mary sue. I find this impossible. A mary sue by its original defintion is 'fan made.' Does this count when a fan becomes an official canon writer? (ie: Flynn) I don't know. But if a character is canon, regardless of it having 'mary sue qualities' I find it an oxymoron to say someone's a 'canon mary sue.'

And considering 'mary sue-identification' isn't an exact science (nor anything I consider important in the least), I'm pretty content with sticking with my beliefs on this matter.

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Posted 24 September 2008 - 02:18 PM

I will say this now, I've been a Sonic/Sally fan since the cartoon debuted. I've never liked Amy, because she's too immature. I've watched Sonic X before, (boy did my eyes bleed afterwards), and Amy still acts immature around Sonic. Even in the comic book, she's a bit immature, but not as much as she is in the show. Sally is by far the only girl I see fit to be with Sonic, PERIOD!!

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#63 Guest_Shorty_*

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Posted 24 September 2008 - 02:24 PM

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The article didn't mention anything about the original canon character as being a mary sue.

They're called canon sues. Not only that, but if you read the canon sue entry, they can fall under any sue trope, most commonly possession sue.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CanonSue

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I don't see how anyone who grew up with SonSal in the beginning could get used to the utter FAIL that is SonAmy.

I'm not about to echo Miko here, so I'll just say something she didn't touch upon. Granted, a lot Amy fans do try to potray her as something she's not, especially in fanfiction. I think that many of them were attracted to her Sonic Adventure depiction, and some of her 'fans' will at times even ignore her developments in recent games to uphold that. However, before Sally's fans accuse them of being dilusional, they do the exact same things to her whenever she does something in character, yet unsavory, like what happened in #123.

Also, many of Amy's fans would probably argue that SonSal is "fail" usually under the arguement that Sally's a Mary-sue, "slut", or that their dynamic exists often at Sonic's expense. Remember, most SonAmy fans are growing in the postmodern era and harbor much of the criticisms people had of the 90's females/relationships.

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It's completely one sided and BORING!

Many Amy fans don't beleive that Amy's affections for Sonic are one-sided, and often times interpret Sonic as having secret feelings for her. Sonic X only strengthened this beleif, hence why the tend to use the show a lot in many of their arguements. There are also many fans who also appreciate the comic releif angle of SonAmy as well.

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SonSal have a canonical history that is at least 18 years old.

Just because a pairing is "canon" doesn't obligate people to like it.

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Posted 24 September 2008 - 02:26 PM

Same here. There are things you can say against Sonic and Sally that I kinda can agree with, but all couples has their flaws. I have always sticked with SonSal and I still will. I like Mina too and Sonic and Mina is a couple I can accept, but I just like Sonic and Sally better. I don't liek Sonic and Amy at all. Sure, they do look cute together, but they could have never worked in a long termed relationship.

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#65 Guest_Miko_*

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Posted 24 September 2008 - 02:32 PM

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I will say this now, I've been a Sonic/Sally fan since the cartoon debuted. I've never liked Amy, because she's too immature.

Eh. I don't see Sally as very mature myself. A girl who only goes on the battlefeild to pow wow with friends. Now THAT's a good understanding of war. She's no longer needed even if we argue Sonic's character derailment has been apart of the series too long to ignore. She even admitted she understood this. Amy might be immature in her own way, but so is Sally.

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There are things you can say against Sonic and Sally that I kinda can agree with, but all couples has their flaws.

All couples have their flaws, sure. But but there's a difference between flaws in the relationship, and flaws within the mechanics of the relationship itself. Sure Sonic can like a girl with habits and beleifs that cause tension or division. But it's when this relationship starts demanding character derailment, twisting of the continuity, robbery of the concepts behind other relationships and so on does it go beyond the flaws all couples have. Besides, Sonic is not a romance story or soap opera. There are many other characters to be accounted for and for Sally to essentially "complete" Sonic by balancing him out takes away from what other characters can do to instill a team dynamic. By trying to parade Sonic/Sally as a serious relationship by following this forumula you make all the other characters plot devices because their personality and dynamics to the other team members cannot consistently contribute to the series itself without inferring Sonic and Sally have "problems" and are not ready to "be together." With a romance novel or soap opera the other characters are often just plot devices for the story which is essentially the relationship between the lovers. They are not intended to be enjoyed on the same level as the lovers as they lovers ARE the story. So it's no problem portraying two lovers as "balancing each other out" or completing one another.

#66 Morgan

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Posted 24 September 2008 - 02:47 PM

To be honest, I don't like the Sonic/Amy pairing at all, and I dislike the Sonic/Mina pairing even more. Sally just seems to be a better match for Sonic. (I stopped getting the comics, so it's not like I know what Sally's like now. Just going off the SatAM version).

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Posted 24 September 2008 - 02:58 PM

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To me, I wouldn't label that 'mary sue.' I would label it bad writing, or simply writing the character OOC.

A Mary Sue by any other name is still a Sue. You're still saying essentially that Sally's been poorly written and OOC since say-- issue 18+.

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But since people like to throw that 'mary sue' label around as much as they toss around the word 'emo'.... I mean, goodness, mary sue has it's own sub-categories and shit now? What happened to just simply stating a character is badly or well written?

Because Mary Sues aren't just characters that are badly written. There is a reason for that, and TV tropes aims to provide a more detailed analysis for would be writers and all those curious.

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I find this impossible. A mary sue by its original defintion is 'fan made.'

There was no rule stating Sues had to be fan made. Sometimes "canon sue" is used so that the distinction is made for those of this mindset (since majority of amatuer writing like making Sues never makes it to the professional level).

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To be honest, I don't like the Sonic/Amy pairing at all, and I dislike the Sonic/Mina pairing even more. Sally just seems to be a better match for Sonic.

You guys are hardly offering much discussion beyond "Amy sucks" or "Amy can't work."

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Sure, they do look cute together, but they could have never worked in a long termed relationship.

Sonic's not supposed to be in a "serious" relationship, this isn't a romance novel. The concept of finding a mate to "complete" him at this point would destroy the team dynamic as I've already stated. Sonic would probably have to have a girlfriend whose not ready for a long term relationship for the purposes of the storyline. She can be available, and interested but not ready to take the steps necessary to fully "complete" Sonic.

#68 Guest_Shorty_*

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Posted 24 September 2008 - 03:11 PM

That's probably one of the issues I had with both SonSal and SonAmy, they're just too extreme for me. As a love interest Amy's too periphreal and doesn't even offer that much for Sonic's character save a repetitve gag. Sally on the other hand requires too much attention because she was created with the purpose to be a girl who "completed" Sonic. This consequently barred the team dynamic because the other characters weren't being given enough opportunities to offer much for Sonic.

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Posted 24 September 2008 - 03:16 PM

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You guys are hardly offering much discussion beyond "Amy sucks." Why don't you like it?

Because sonamy is just a bad idea, since amy is still just a young (she made herself look older with some machine or whatever) fangirl. And in my opinion, shes still for the most part an annoying character who isnt very useful. Pairing her with sonic would only cater to new sonic fans (I'm generalizing) and piss off most long-time fans.

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Posted 24 September 2008 - 03:20 PM

Why I don't like SonAmy?

Here we go.. And first of all, these are MY opinions.

So..

In my opinion, Amy is really young, I find her too young. And her obsession and "love" for Sonic just seem immature. She might say that she loves him and will marry him and yadda yadda, but she is so young! Many young teens are throwing the word "love" way to much around. They do often feel that their first real crush/boyfriend/girlfriend is the one that they will love forever and marry.

And I feel that this is the case with Amy too. So I just see her obsession with Sonic as really immature.

The SonAmy relationship does seem one sided, but that is something that can be discussed further... Well, Sonic has kinda showed that he cares for her, but that can also mean that he cares for her more as a friend. Then we have all of these stories of Sonic being afraid of showing his feelings towards Amy. Well, that can be true. I can support that as long as the reason why he is not telling his feelings is because he wants to protect Amy. The other reason I have heard about Sonic being to shy to tell her, seems like BS to me. Sonic isn't a very shy character, and why should he be shy around a girl that does obviously like him?

But even though I can believe some of this, it doesn't mean that I like this. As I have stated before, Sonic and Amy does look cute together, but I just can't see a serious relationship between the two of them. Maybe a short, innocent and sweet teenager relationship, but not as a serious and long termed relationship.

I would alos like to say that I have NOTHING against Amy as a character and I see it rather fun how she is chasing Sonic around (another reason why I don't want them to end up together) But I just can't see the two of them ending up in a serious relationship. But they could have had a strong and longlasting friendship.

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Posted 24 September 2008 - 03:31 PM

Here's why I don't like Son/Amy. Amy is immature, her persistence is beyond repulsive, aaaaaand....Isn't she a kid and Sonic's a teen?

Here's why I don't like Son/Mina. To me, Mina seems like she was a rushed character, created as a "Mary Sue" and as for someone to have speed. I haven't thus far seen a true use for her in the series.

Sorry if this post is curt, but I'm about to disappear for a few hours and won't have a real in depth post for a while.

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Posted 24 September 2008 - 03:52 PM

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Because sonamy is just a bad idea, since amy is still just a young (she made herself look older with some machine or whatever) fangirl.

Actually, she made herself older with the Ring of Acorns.

Anyway, even if she were just a fangirl, many people could argue that Sonic doesn't need someone who wants a serious relationship, because that would just make the story focus more on "completing" him/balancing him out. What are Tails and the other characters going to offer consistantly if Sally's balancing him out? She may be a fangirl, but Amy's existance still allows room for the other characters to contribute. Ontop of that, SonAmy fans, just as SonSal fans have the potential to invision Sonic and Sally as married, feel that that they've the option to interpret her feelings as something that grow more serious with Sonic eventually.

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Here's why I don't like Son/Mina. To me, Mina seems like she was a rushed character, created as a "Mary Sue" and as for someone to have speed. I haven't thus far seen a true use for her in the series.

I don't see how Mina was a rushed character knowing how slowly Archie integrated her within the book. Maybe that could be said for her abilities, but not the character itself. However, as much as you complain about Mina, what about Sally? Out of nowhere, she got a new personality and new abilities so that she could "complete" Sonic. Then Sonic's personality got derailed for her to have more of a place, and Tails suddenly became "too young" to tag along anymore. At least Mina and Amy don't require "completing" Sonic, so that others can help to complete him as well.

Also, Mina has similar abilities to Sally in the sense that she has the willingness to be tactful as a Freedom Fighter. She also has something that Sally doesn't these days: The ability to sacrifice herself for the greater good, a better understanding of war, compared to Sally who just sees it as a pow wow get together with her friends. It seems Mina has matured past Sally's level since #120.

Not only that, but Sonic and other characters have displayed an interest in music, which could easily serve as a MacGuffin to give Sonic and them reason to travel outside of the city and have an adventure, and could've also been links that bound other classic characters like Vector, or even Tiara Boobowski together.

And, the problem with trying to argue that Mina was a Copy Cat Sue is that one, Sonic was and is not the only speed character within the book. Even Tails can rival and beat her. Two, she couldn't control it, and three, she wasn't able to use these abilities to muster her desired outcome. Now does Mina have sue traits? Possibly. However, she does not encompass a trope like Princess Sally.

#73 Morgan

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Posted 24 September 2008 - 04:09 PM

Perhaps so. I haven't really read the comics in some issues, however, I do know of the transformations Sally has undergone and do not like how she's turned out as of the last time I read the comic. I just think as she was in SatAM would be better for Sonic out of any choice.

#74 Guest_Miko_*

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Posted 24 September 2008 - 04:24 PM

SatAM had a problem with instilling a team dynamic, it's no different then the problems Archie suffers with SonSal. Furthermore, I think Mina fulfills some useful characteristics related to SatAM Sally without completing Sonic, and is more plausible to do so under the current context of the story (compared to Archie Sally, that is). Perhaps she's not a carbon copy, but she works fine.

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Posted 24 September 2008 - 04:40 PM

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aaaaaand....Isn't she a kid and Sonic's a teen?

In the games he's only three years older than her. Perhaps this can't be said for the comics, but then again, most SonAmy fans were lured in by the games or Sonic X where this would apply. Also, age never logically stopped any of them before, especially Sally. I mean how old was Geoffrey, like...around 25? I suppose its possible that Mobian standards for age are different than cultures like America's or the UK...at least in the comics. That or Sally likes "mature" guys =p

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Posted 24 September 2008 - 06:59 PM

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This is all there is to say.

Amy's a one-note joke and a one dimensional character. Nothing more to say about that. Mina, who's not a bad character at all, was still rushed into her role, and the nature of her relationship with Sonic was never really done realistically.

I think under better writing, she'd have had more of an innocent crush on Sonic, and less a full-fledged love for him; or, at least, under better writing, that's more of what we'd be seeing now. It'd make their interactions with each other much more realistic, considering their ages and the way they got to know one another (going to high school together). Also, it gets old when every love interest a hero has is a life and death, "I WOULD GIVE MY SOUL FOR YOU!" type of relationship. A hero's relationship can certainly build up to being in that stage, but wouldn't it be cool to see a hero who carries on a casual relationship for once?

So, while I think Mina's character and her relationship with Sonic have always had potential, I think what we were given wasn't really done as well as it could have been. That can be fixed, given time, but I doubt we'll see that.

Again, the simple reason a lot of people prefer Sonic/Sally (if they HAVE to pick one pairing, that is) is because, of all of the potential pairings, that's the coupling with the most history and chemistry.

That doesn't mean everyone's worshipping at the altar of Sally, but the other options haven't really been that well written or developed in a way that's really involving and moving.

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Posted 24 September 2008 - 08:08 PM

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This is all there is to say.

Amy's a one-note joke and a one dimensional character.Nothing more to say about that.

If you're not going to say more, I'd suggest not commenting on it. Since you're not really stating why she's a "joke" or "one dimensional"

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Mina, who's not a bad character at all, was still rushed into her role, and the nature of her relationship with Sonic was never really done realistically.

1. Why wasn't her relationship done "realistically"?

2. How was Mina's relationship at all "rushed"? Especially compared to Sally who out of nowhere derailed the continuity, Sonic's character, her own character, and his relationship to other characters. How is it at all realistic to slap in the face "reality" itself so you can be with someone?

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I think under better writing, she'd have had more of an innocent crush on Sonic, and less a full-fledged love for him; or, at least, under better writing, that's more of what we'd be seeing now.

Originally it was a crush but over the span of say issue what 80 to 123 it developed into something different as opposed to Sonic and Sally's change in feelings from friends to something different getting absolutely no development at all. Mina's the only one of the Sonic love interests who had their feelings for Sonic receive SOME form of development. Mina could've gotten more screentime, but I wouldn't have expected too much more. This isn't Sonic/Sally. Mina's not going to detour the whole story just so that she and Sonic look cool together. It was a progressive, ocassionally touched upon romantic relationship which gave plenty of room for other characters to be apart of Sonic's life.

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It'd make their interactions with each other much more realistic, considering their ages and the way they got to know one another (going to high school together).

1. Sonic and Mina are the same age.

2. They knew each other before the high school story. LONG before. Mina met Sonic in issue 76 when Eggman pretty much took control of the robians, and roboticized what he could of the Mobians that lived in Mobitropolis.

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Also, it gets old when every love interest a hero has is a life and death, "I WOULD GIVE MY SOUL FOR YOU!" type of relationship. A hero's relationship can certainly build up to being in that stage, but wouldn't it be cool to see a hero who carries on a casual relationship for once?

Mina's relationship with Sonic by nature is currently casual, as it always was. Mina was never to "complete" Sonic, which stood to the benefit of all of the other characters, compared to Sally who pretty much locks them out so that she can seem "ready" to be Sonic's girl in a long term relationship. The premise of Sally is not what the story needs and hardly speaks of "casual relationship." Mina may care for Sonic very deeply but she's very insecure about popping her feelings, so if she were to be a love interest (as in no Ash) today, it wouldn't be a "let's think of marriage and a future with slumber parties."

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Again, the simple reason a lot of people prefer Sonic/Sally (if they HAVE to pick one pairing, that is) is because, of all of the potential pairings, that's the coupling with the most history and chemistry.

To them. SonAmy was already established a year before SatAM or Archie even came out so it's has the most history. Secondly what do they define as chemistry? Balancing each other out? That kind of "chemistry" is wrapping a noose around the comic's neck and strangling it to death.

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Posted 24 September 2008 - 08:28 PM

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Amy's a one-note joke and a one dimensional character.

I agree that her joke's gotten old (at least for ME it has), but she's got a lot of sides and other characteristics to her that often go unlooked because of the fact writers are always focusing on her dynamic with Sonic and not any of the others as much. Maybe the dynamic between her and Sonic lacks enough substance but I woudln't go as far as calling her a one dimensional character.

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of all of the potential pairings, that's the coupling with the most history and chemistry.

People aren't going to care about a pairing simply for history if they feel its bad. Individuals who dislike it will on the flip side merely argue that in order for Sonic and Sally to have an ongoing chemistry at all, other characters would have to be sacrificed or derailed, the plot might have to be altered and Sally would end up being potrayed as some Mary-sue for the sake of looking like a good candidate.

Also, whose to say girls like Mina couldn't have had a casual relationship with Sonic despite being a love interest?

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 05:48 AM

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[color=#FF00BF] They're called canon sues. Not only that, but if you read the canon sue entry, they can fall under any sue trope, most commonly possession sue.

Well, I only read the article that was linked before, and not the entire wiki because like I said... I really don't CARE about the mary sue topic. It's too broad a defintion. According to the 'rules of mary sueism' it sounds about -impossible- to write a relationship between characters that doesn't have mary sue traits. It almost reeks of the 'originality vs unorginality' argument, and I always stand by the idea that good writing will make up for any 'unorginality' a story/character or whatnot might have. (and archie doesn't have good writing...teehee.)

And yes I do think Sally has been badly written and OOC, but moreso since the decision to take her out of the FF's and into the royal family business. I think that the royal family/kingdom was even reestablished was crap. It felt unrealistic to have people focusing on that stuff when the war with Robotnik had not been won. I can see the royal family turning into figureheads and inspiration for Knothole, while the village (and its covert operations to take down Robotnik) remains the same. I can't see them rebuilidng the whole city, slapping up an -enormous- castle, establishing school, entertainment (concerts, radio stations??) a whole law system, and so on....
No wonder half the characters turned into crap after that little overhaul.

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 12:31 PM

You misunderstand Ali, the overhaul reffers to around issue 17-18 where the initial backstories, personalities, and relationships between characters were for no apparent reason being warped to conform to Sally's needs in particular.

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According to the 'rules of mary sueism' it sounds about -impossible- to write a relationship between characters that doesn't have mary sue traits.

We're not discussing whether or not Sally has a few "traits" of a Sue, we're discussing whether or not she encompasses any of the Mary Sue tropes currently in existence. And she does. And there are very specific guidelines to which they make mention. Does a relationship have to make characters OOC? No. Does a relationship have to distort the original reality of the book? No. Does it have to mess up the premises behind relationships that already existed? No. Does it have remove the importance of the other characters? No. See, a lot of the problems with the Sonic/Sally relationship that make her a Sue are things that you actually WON'T see in most professional writing.

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And yes I do think Sally has been badly written and OOC, but moreso since the decision to take her out of the FF's and into the royal family business.

Sally was made OOC for becoming an active FF after issues 17-18 in the first place. In the begginning it made sense to include Sally on a number of defensive missions by which Robotnik attacked the Freedom Fighters off guard. Sally was also not as dutiful, did not "complete" Sonic. She was also different in characterization, making more plausible the instances by which she did go out. Giving Sally a more domestic role was more in line with where she was going in the early stories anyway, and it's as she herself has stated. Other people can do it. Why does she have to? She'd already found her calling helping people with dear Aly as she awaited becoming a queen. Going on the feild as an FF is unecessary and risking the people's future.

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I think that the royal family/kingdom was even reestablished was crap. It felt unrealistic to have people focusing on that stuff when the war with Robotnik had not been won.

Realistic? Again, just because they're fighting the war doesn't mean they don't need governing. Who dictates law? Whose the authority on when to farm for food, when to be sentinel and so on. Who pretty much governs and maintains order? Sally, that's her job. You can't fight a war without covering bases here, and if anything it's unrealistic to assume Sally would be able to juggle ALL her governing duties and freedom fight, and even if she could the risk to her life is still present.

Also, Sonic never initially needed Sally and Sally often stayed home and provided more domestic services than she did after issue 17-18. She wasn't essential to balancing Sonic out and was there on a circumstancial basis. Sally represents the future. She apparently, is a brilliant mind with the capacity to help govern the kingdom she hopes to restore and probably has more credentials then anyone currently leading the kingdom today. The only reason Sally could plausibly fight in the older days (after they derailed Sonic) was because no one could be the tact and level headedness on the feild. Today even if none of the original FFs have this ability today, there are characters that who've since been established that can fulfill these roles and are far less imposing on the story.

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I can't see them rebuilidng the whole city, slapping up an -enormous- castle, establishing school, entertainment (concerts, radio stations??) a whole law system, and so on....

Law would be necessary to resolve disputes and maintain order among the people. Second, you could argue many people needed to be educated. Maybe in a less formal setting but then again a lot of people were gathering at Knothole for protection. It wasn't a small village anymore. Third Eggman hasn't been the threat Julian was, so the rulers felt it was alright to invest more in the future.

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argument, and I always stand by the idea that good writing will make up for any 'unorginality' a story/character or whatnot might have. (and archie doesn't have good writing...teehee.)

It's not that the story/character is cliche. It's that the character derails the other characters, strips them of any importance besides their physical abilities, warps the reality surronding the continuity and so on. Sally is far too imposing on the storyline.