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Who Should Sonic Be Making Out With?

Started by fishtheimpaler, Mar 12 2008 06:06 PM

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#21 Guest_kayona-kim_*

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Posted 15 May 2008 - 08:03 PM

Hm, I don't know. I guess I'd pick Sally or Mina since they both seem plausible.

#22 Guest_Shorty_*

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Posted 16 May 2008 - 02:12 AM

I think it'd just be Mina for me. She's the only girl I can actually see working with Sonic, and the dynamic developing between them looked a lot more interesting than what actually happened for SonSal's; which consisted of little more than plotholes, love triangles and oversaturated romance in the comics. Unlike Sally, Mina's flexible and I could see her working with more Sonic's than just the Archie version, but with a similar character dynamic (Amy too, but I'm none too interested in the cat-and-mouse angle of it---just too redundant for me). Sally's okay in SatAM but take her out that environment and she doesn't work as well. Sonic's a hero and Sally's a dutiful princess. I just don't see a long-term relationship working for them without making them out of character.

Still, Mina's merely my prefference out of her Sally and Amy. To be fair, I again think that Sonic shouldn't be officially paired off with any of them. Whether I find it probable or not, people should still be able to envision what they want. I know from experience what it feels like to be boggled down at times by the shipper canontards.

#23 Guest_bossmanham_*

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Posted 30 August 2008 - 08:36 PM

Um, Sally. I gotta say, as a fan just getting back into the series, it disheartening to see such a disconnect between some of the fandom. The bumbleking forum has nothing but sally haters. Sally has the most interesting back-story and personality. Amy is your typical boy crazed manga character who is just boring to read about. I honestly don't care what Sega of Japan thinks. Sonic fans here in America started with SonSal and that's what I will always remember.

Do I hate Amy's character? Nope. I believe I was still reading when she came in, and thought she was a nice addition. But her character never lined up with Sonic. Sally was designed to be a stabling factor for Sonic. The whole opposites attract thing.

I rarely see SonSal fans attack Amy like SonAmy fans attack Sally. It just shows that these are noobs who played recent games, then read the comic and didn't like what they saw. Darn you Sega for your multiple continuities!

There, my rant has ended.

#24

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Posted 30 August 2008 - 09:07 PM

Hardly "everyone" there hates her. In fact, the majority of the members there have always expressed that they'd like to see the two back together. =p

#25 Guest_Shorty_*

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Posted 01 September 2008 - 02:31 AM

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But her character never lined up with Sonic. Sally was designed to be a stabling factor for Sonic. The whole opposites attract thing.

Well, consider who most of the anti-Sonic/Sally fans are. A lot of them are children who were raised with mostly post-modern feminist ideologies so its no surprise that many of them wouldn't like Sally's dynamic with Sonic. While you might've enjoyed the angle (and you're entitled to like it I might add), many of Amy and Mina's fans (some of whom initially derived from Amy anyway) would criticize that it had a lot problems that could be assosiated with the third wave feminism going on at around that time (although they won't word it like that).

You'll tend to hear this usually in the form of:

"She's always demeaning Sonic's intelligence/making him look stupid." which can usually be equated to 90s feminism trying too hard to exentuate the ideology that females could have positive quality traits (often traditionally attributed to males, such as wit and levelheadedness) but at the guy's expense. In short, of Amy and Mina's fans would criticize that Sonic/Sally's dynamic (or at least an important aspect of it), was too anti-male, which to at least some degree it was.

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I rarely see SonSal fans attack Amy like SonAmy fans attack Sally.

*raises hand* I do. You'd be surprised how many SonSal fans will go onto, or make videos to spread their ideologies about why a said a couple is wrong because of "canon" or some other reason to subordinate anyone who disagrees with them on Yotube. And if they aren't going there, then SonSal fans in Archie have this tendency to bar or monitor how much people talk about it on their boards, but will then allow people who like the pairings they do to freely talk about without it, usually without warnings as if to paint this picture that EVERYONE likes Sonic/Sally.

#26 Guest_SAA_*

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Posted 01 September 2008 - 06:29 AM

Sally. Always Sally. But I can see how MIna could work as well. Amy would have to change, alot.

#27 DerekHedgehog87

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Posted 01 September 2008 - 08:59 AM

I have to go with SonXSal. I mean I was always a fan of that & that couple made a lot more sense than SonXAmy. Why do people want an adult Sonic to be with a preteen (not even went through puberty yet) Amy Rose? I mean there are a lot of people who are not liking that either & are not SonXSal fans either.

Plus Sally was never a b**** on the old days. I hate it when Archie is making almost all the SatAM characters look like idiots. Maybe it's Sega of Japan trying to force us to their views. I may be right, I may be wrong.

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#28 Guest_Miko_*

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Posted 01 September 2008 - 10:12 AM

I didn't mind Sally being a little snappy. I mean it made her flawed, kinda fleshened her out. I'm actually quite dissapointed this side to her has to go. Now we're kind of stuck having to see Mary-Sue Sally again. Sally was until issue 134 a characterized by Mary-Sue writing and (the Archie version in particular) has had a history that can be summed up no better than "Mary-Sue" and "poorly written fanfiction." She's been a big cause of character derailment altering and downplaying dynamics that already HAD the dynamic she has with Sonic, and plotholes. Oh lets not forget knocking out her competition by developing the most senseless plots evar!

The plot comes together in favor of this Sue no matter how ridiculous, how impossible, how hilarious the a**pull (goatse) to make it done in a canon work. The Suethors in Archie have ALWAYS, perhaps since issue 17, grabbed Sally by the hair and literally dragged her into the territories of tropes like possession Sue and purity Sue. Now I'm sure just about EVERY character-- even Sonic has had traits of a Sue. But Sally actually has encompassed the TROPES of a Sue, and repeatedly. Heck she's even going back to being her Suetiful all along self. Horray!

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I mean I was always a fan of that & that couple made a lot more sense than SonXAmy. Why do people want an adult Sonic to be with a preteen (not even went through puberty yet) Amy Rose?

Amy has hit puberty. One of the functions of the ring of acorns was to give her a much more matured body. She has curves, breasts...yeah I'd say she's hit puberty. Maybe she's not as bodacious as Rouge and Sally but I don't ever expect her to end up looking like those two anyway. Oh, and Sonic's not an adult. It's kind of funny that when Sonic and Sally rely on plotholes -- oh I'm sorry retcons to be together, Sonic/Sally fans don't mind nor do the Suethors-- oh I'm sorry authors running the book. Yet, with Amy people suddenly come back to their senses. That retcon can't slide even if it's plausible within the storyline! we have to acknowledge that it was a retcon and beat it to death with a stick. I'm not really SonAmy, but I still think it isn't fair.

#29 Guest_Shorty_*

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Posted 01 September 2008 - 10:36 AM

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I mean I was always a fan of that & that couple made a lot more sense than SonXAmy.

How does it make more sense? I'm not tryingt to be rude, just looking for an opinion on the matter.

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I didn't mind Sally being a little snappy. I mean it made her flawed, kinda fleshened her out.

Not to mention that its always been implicative that Sally's had some emotional problems within the comics. I find it somewhat annoying how fans will then all of a sudden complain about how her slapping Sonic was OOC despite prior foreshadowing to promote such a plausibility. There was nothing to say that it couldn't have happened, especially since her circumstances were unlike any prior ones to refference any different. Also, how is it that her fans can write fics and make various images of Sally crying or suffering from some emotional breakdown on deviantart (or someplace else), yet point the finger at Archie? I think the answer had more to do with the fact that they didn't want her to look bad in front of the SonAmy/SonMina fans who already hated her. I don't see the point in making her "go back to her roots" when they'll just call her out on being a Mary-sue again, anyway.

#30 Guest_spectre89_*

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Posted 01 September 2008 - 02:58 PM

I think a lot of it has to do with Sally being the leader. Her character has to grapple with responsibilities, while still trying to maintain relationships, or even try to pursue romantic ones. And from what I've seen Sally's character is the only one that I can think of that is in this position. Very much between a rock and a hard place. Its also unfortunate that her character can't seem to catch a break. In the issues before 134, haters would call her a Sue, then after 134 haters bashed her character for the slap even though it introduced a flaw and removed her from her apparent Sue-ness. Personally I don't have a problem with her character, or how things have played out.

#31 Guest_Paralyzer_*

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Posted 01 September 2008 - 06:27 PM

all the way its right, its the way it should be {SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_biggrin.gif. sonsal {SMILIES_PATH}/het.gif

#32 Guest_Shorty_*

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Posted 01 September 2008 - 11:29 PM

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I think a lot of it has to do with Sally being the leader.

I think it has more to do with the fact that Sally's carried various Mary-Sue tropes under her her belt throughout the comics.

As a love Sue, Sally was the primary girl every signiffigant male protagonist was fawning over at some point, and if they weren't trying to fight each other in order to win her over they were in awe and expositionally talking about how cool she was. No love interest can get in the way of Sally being with Sonic, and the writers will even make plotholes in characterization or within the storyline just to make it happen. Makes me wonder how "meant to be" they really are if Suethors are constantly having to resort to those kinds of tactics, but I digress.

She's written inconsistantly for the convinience of the writer and forces other characters or the continuity to accomodate her no matter how ridiculous the method.

Mina was suddenly written not to know Sonic and Sally had a thing for one another despite the fact in "Changes" (before the love triangle even started), Sally kissed Sonic, and later, Mina implied in #108 that she'd been asking around and knew Sally was his childhood friend. So even if we ignored Changes, by #108 Mina should have logically known something by that time. But for SonSal's convenience, she's "suddenly" written to be "totally oblivious". Like the Mary-sue she is, Sally couldn't possibly have any real competition or people who sympathized or wanted the other love interest more than her (despite the writer's usual attempts to make Sally more sympathetic--lol, sympathy sue) so Mina was written off to be totally oblivious so that she could be ditched, and if that wasn't enough, given a pointless career and paolo boyfriend (relationship stu/fixer stu). But it doesn't end there. Oh heavens no.

Then, in #134 she's written to leave her post as a Freedom Fighter for fear that she, as the next heir to the throne would be killed. Fair enough. But then one pro-SonSal plothole later (delivered to your door by Ken Penders), we get the Anti-Antione plothole to make Sally more available for Sonic followed up by when another SonSal promoter, Ian Flynn, enters the fray. Now we can forget the fact that her parents told her it wasn't safe. Lets forget that even SHE realized she wasn't as necessary anymore! We don't need to acknowledge the fact that her brother wants her to rule after him, or that the council could all be wiped out by demigod mammoths, mad scientists and evil clones, she can be a Freedom Fighter again to kill time and pow wow with her little friends.. Despite the fact its not only impulsive of her (despite her supposed "level-headedness) or that she could probably do that after missions, Sally already ESTABLISHED a hobby for herself that contributed to her people in #144's "Love and Loss". But despite that, Ian throws her in there because she has no way to "contribute to the present or future for her people". Its writing like this that makes people HATE Sonic/Sally, or Sally.

Oh, and let's not forget Fiona. Its one thing to make her evil while still being in love with Sonic (a forbidden love angle--but OH NOES! She can't possibly have a relationship that could be potentially more interesting to people than Sally's!). Heck, it would've been more plausible for Fiona to just leave with Nic after a series of problems with the Freedom Fighters. But no. Fiona, despite the fact that she's had a history of hating Sonic and Mighty because she thought they were "bad boy" types (which was originally and realistically refuted by Sonic SACRIFICING himself, which Fiona explained before Ian got into the book), she's going to betray everyone and stop loving Sonic for.. Scourge? Despite the fact he's treacherous and a leach Fiona's going to...date him anyway, and then of all things HOPE Sonic will start to act like him?

Poor Fiona was written OOC, and made to look like bitch (but its not okay for Sally to do that 'cuz "baaaw its out of charactaar!!111") to be with Scourge because no one can stand in the way of Sonic/Sally. Both of their pairings, including Knuckles, Geoffrey and Antione's were victims of "Die for out Ship", because just like any relationship sue Sally's just so meant to be with Sonic, amirite? So much so that we can derail everything, including other characters and the continuity itself! =D

#33 DCC

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Posted 03 September 2008 - 10:53 AM

Yes, it does seem that Sally can't seem to catch a break with all the fault finding of some people. It is dishearting, sad, and it makes me sick at times when people say Sonic and Sally shouldn't be together. Although those who said that Sally was a Sue, in genernal, did actually like the slap. I thought it was strange, in a way, that some fans liked the slap. I know it made Sally seem more human and showed a flaw, but it was like they enjoyed watching Sally be bad and having her relationships get ruined. As someone who cares about Sally and her relationship with Sonic, I didn't like the slap because I thought it put Sally and her relationship with Sonic in too bad of a light. Sonic and Sally may have their differences, as all couples do, but I don't think they are too different where they can't have a basically stable relationship. I am confused as to how Sally should be protrayed, though I know I want her to be protrayed in such away that more fans will like, or at least accept Sonic and Sally as a couple(which will require some changes in Sonic as well). It just want people to stop putting down Sonic and Sally. Maybe all that is need is for Sally's banter with Sonic to be toned down, as well as some of the other annoying parts of her personality and stop the over drama(one the reasons no one should be allowed to come between them), I am not sure. It may not be as interesting, to some people, but I think it may be worth it if more fans come to like Sonic and Sally as a couple. I guess I am stange too. I am more into watching couples, while going though some conflicts(but not too many), make it. That is what I find interesting, especially since so many relationships fail in the real world. Having romantic rivals and love triangles may be interesting, but it can take away from the romance, for me.Sorry, if I went on too long for you.

#34 Guest_Shorty_*

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Posted 03 September 2008 - 05:26 PM

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I know I want her to be protrayed in such away that more fans will like, or at least accept Sonic and Sally as a couple

And the more the writers try contriving and distorting the plot in order to make that happen Sally will still be labled as a Mary-sue. Why should people have to support a pairing that couldn't have even logically happened through the established cannon and had to ruin it dozens of times just to get where it was? You're free to like the pairing and disagree but all we anti-Sonic/Sally fans have vouched for in the comics is the respect for our opinion. Many of us do NOT approve of the comics being ruined for Sally, and we don't approve of Sonic being paired with Sally, the now Mary-sue-reverted caricature just to for the sake of an "author's-service".

You guys need to just accept the fact that not everyone's going to like Sonic/Sally's dynamic, either. It might've been the new black in the 1990s, when third wave feminism was in hype but its 2008 now. Many people with post feminist ideals won't like it for reasons I've already stated, and its bad enough that that Ian is lowering Sonic's potential and capeabilities just so that Sally can be around.

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It just want people to stop putting down Sonic and Sally.

Maybe SonSal would be put down less if their fans and the suethors would stop trying to shove their opinions down other people's throats. I understand that people will appreciate SonSal for if not any other reason than the fact that they've had a history with it, and that's fine. I'm not saying that it should be completely gotten rid of at all. But do understand that many other fans who were supporters of Mina and Amy feel this way too and don't like it when their history with the book and characters have to be tossed in the trash for Sally, not to mention the continuity they've been keeping up with for years.

#35 MistressAli

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Posted 03 September 2008 - 07:12 PM

LMAO
I don't think anyone saying they like the pairing of Son/Sal is 'shoving it down someone's throats'. However, someone who writes an essay everytime said pairing is mentioned perhaps might be doing just that. I mean, pot-kettle-black, anyone?

I personally think X is much, much hotter.

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#36 Guest_Miko_*

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Posted 03 September 2008 - 10:29 PM

It's not simply saying you like it at all. Shoving would be like a SonAmy fan going to a SonSal picture on deviantart and saying "nice pic, but Amy's Sonic's girlfriend, not Sally play the games!" Or when Suethors of canon works or otherwise bend the characters and storyline in terms of consistency for SonSal.

#37 Guest_Shorty_*

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Posted 04 September 2008 - 04:28 AM

Granted the other shippers aren't entirely innocent either, but I find it irritating how Sally's fans will act as though they're poor victims (when they do the same things to other groups), or will complain about how other fans are ignorant for their reasons as to why they don't like her.

So I'm giving you a perspective here as to WHY people don't appreciate Sally or her relationship with Sonic. Take it as you will, I'm not saying you have to agree with it, but I at least implore you all to think about where everyone else is coming from. I beleive Sally has the potential (and has actually displayed within the comic for awhile) to be a very well-rounded and realistic character. But she won't be if suethors are always ripping the continuity to shreds or ruining other characters just so that she can Freedom Fight with the others or be with Sonic. If it continues, people will just keep using the "Mary-Sue" card anyway, so I don't see why Ian is trying as hard as he is to get fans to like her again. If they like her cool, if they don't, hey that's their problem. Sally may have her flaws but the other girls have theirs. Its harder to argue against however, from a Mary-sue standpoint, especially in Sally's case.

While it is irritating, I don't hate Sally, nor do I think its as much of her being "the problem", moreso the people who ruin the storyline at her behalf.

#38 MistressAli

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Posted 05 September 2008 - 01:48 PM

Oh my dear sisters, I was simply just poking fun at the fact that everytime someone says they like SonicXSally on -this- board... we just KNOW there's going to be an essay-length rebuttal from one and/or both of you. As for stupid behavior from Son/Sal fans...you see that with any of the crazy-ass shipper kiddies. Just ignore that crap. Like who you like.

Archie is such a royal mess, I don't even see why a plot hole to bring Sonic/Sally together would be such a huge deal. (I don't even care either way, now.) They've already ruined just about every character, have stupid-ass storylines, bring in characters only to ship 'em out again ( we never did see Blaze the cat, or any of those one shot 'Sega short stories' amount to anything). I don't think the comic will ever be good again, so helll... bring the plotholes on! None of the characters feel real anymore, there's nothing but boring fighting, no sense of real danger... it's like a really bad fanfic. I just buy it in case Sniv shows his seXy face.

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#39 Guest_Miko_*

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Posted 05 September 2008 - 04:55 PM

QUOTE ("MistressAli":19ycc6sm)

everytime? Look no farther than this page for a refutation of your claim. Sides I usually say a lot regardless of subject matter.

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As for stupid behavior from Son/Sal fans...you see that with any of the crazy-ass shipper kiddies. Just ignore that crap. Like who you like.

Dunno about Shorty It would be a lot easier if Ian didn't pull a goatse for this pairing all the time. It really does fuel all the people who feel their perception of canon gives them the right to whine about Sonic/Sally. I hate it when SonAmy fans do it, and will also defend Sal. But when it comes to Ian and Ken Penders especially, I don't think I've seen so many asspulls since the infamous fanfiction "My immortal"

Oh and if you don't know what that is type it in ED or type "worst fanfic ever" in google. Seriously it works.

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Archie is such a royal mess, I don't even see why a plot hole to bring Sonic/Sally together would be such a huge deal.

Personally, I attribute a lot of the plotholes and rushed/crap writing to Sonic/Sally. Especially the derailment of Sonic and Tails' relationship/personalities. They've been ruining the book, but they don't need to throw salt on the wound. I can't stand Archie comics. If they don't bore me, they irritate me, or they irritate me because they bore me (wat?). It usually takes me a few months to read my set in bulk or a discussion revolving around something that happened in that issue.