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[sonicroc]

I'll probably buy the first volume of TL-SC, before it becomes illegal for Ken to sell it. It's obvious this series isn't going to go anywhere, but it would be at least somewhat interesting to experience a bit of it before it's gone.

 

Anyway, Athair is in Sonic Underground (albeit with a rather embarrassing design). I have to assume that he was created during the production of SatAM just as an idea, and that he later went on to be in Archie and SU from there. So I doubt Mike Gallagher owns the rights to him. (Then again, I'm not exactly sure what that means anymore. This copyright stuff is headache-inducing....)

 

Actually, I wouldn't say M:XYL violates the characters-never-get-old rule. That's what's always seemed so strange about it; it happens 25 years later, and Sonic doesn't seem to have aged a bit.

 

As for it screwing up the "present day" story, there was an off-panel about this. It went something like this:

 

Knuckles: Yeah, I've been enjoying living dangerously ever since I learned I'm still alive in "Mobius: 25 Years Later." You can't argue with the future.

 

Editor: Or it could be that M:25YL takes place in a possible timeline in an alternate universe.

 

Knuckles: *gulp*

 

[The Chaotix enter the room.]

 

Espio: Hey Knux, you ready to walk across busy streets?

[RedAuthar]

Ah the old possible alternate future trick.

Problem was everyone wrote the comic as if that possible future was the defacto (am I using that right?) future.

[Uncle Ben]

Could always put a disclaimer

[sonicroc]

Could always put a disclaimer

 

They basically did; this was at the beginning of the M:30YL SU arc: "We look 30 years into the future of Sonic to see what might come to be!" [emphasis added]

 

But yeah, the whole "alternate universe" thing is pretty dumb. And Evil Sonic is still the most idiotic thing to come out of the comic to date, whether he's blue or green. Hopefully Ian Flynn will leave that stuff in the past now that the comic's been re-booted.

[RedAuthar]

 

Could always put a disclaimer

 

They basically did; this was at the beginning of the M:30YL SU arc: "We look 30 years into the future of Sonic to see what might come to be!" [emphasis added]

 

But yeah, the whole "alternate universe" thing is pretty dumb. And Evil Sonic is still the most idiotic thing to come out of the comic to date, whether he's blue or green. Hopefully Ian Flynn will leave that stuff in the past now that the comic's been re-booted.

 

Yeah I thought making evil Sonic Green was also a step backwards too.  When he was blue you could at least claim he was Sonic from another dimension, stupid but plausable in comic books.  Turning him Green, now he's bad sprite-recolor status. 

[LogiTeeka]

But yeah, the whole "alternate universe" thing is pretty dumb. And Evil Sonic is still the most idiotic thing to come out of the comic to date, whether he's blue or green. Hopefully Ian Flynn will leave that stuff in the past now that the comic's been re-booted.

Yeah I thought making evil Sonic Green was also a step backwards too. When he was blue you could at least claim he was Sonic from another dimension, stupid but plausable in comic books. Turning him Green, now he's bad sprite-recolor status.

I actually kinda liked it. While it took pride in calling itself an "Evil universe", I kinda took it as an other "what-if" scenario in which the Freedom Fighters confront their negative traits manifested as the Suppression Squad. The Joker-esque quote which Scourge says to Sonic about him being alike, and how one bad day was all it took to eventually turn him into Scourge was kinda thought provoking. It kinda added another angle to Sonic's character; an angle which we might never see again.

But I will agree that the "alternate universe" cliche was abused a bit too much. I especially didn't care for the whole "Eggman being from an alternate future" thing. I understand they needed a way to bring back Robotnik fallowing his death during "Endgame", but there could've been other, more simple ways of doing it: like having him be the original Robotnik returning to seek vengeance after his supposed "death", or maybe a distant relative who also wishes to conquer the world. The whole "alternate future" explanation just makes things further complicated.

The reason for the Zone Cops' refusal to arrest Eggman doesn't help much either. The Freedom Fighters just defeated Robotnik Prime after a long and excruciating battle; then they ruin their victory by leaving this Robotnik in their care as a replacement "to restore balance." In other words, "we're too lazy to do anything about it." I bet they now regret the decision, with Eggman's Super Genesis Wave wiping away their very existence.

[RedAuthar]

 

 It kinda added another angle to Sonic's character; an angle which we might never see again.

Except we're seeing right now.  The Were-Hog (still a stupid name) is enraging Sonic, making him react more violently.  Sonic right now is facing what a "bad day" could do to him.  

 

 

 I kinda took it as an other "what-if" scenario in which the Freedom Fighters confront their negative traits manifested as the Suppression Squad. The Joker-esque quote which Scourge says to Sonic about him being alike, and how one bad day was all it took to eventually turn him into Scourge was kinda thought provoking.

This only worked while Scourge was Evil Sonic.  One of the things Scourge hammered into everyone else's head is that he's no longer a copy of Sonic, but his own being, which was caused by the Master Emerald, Something that even while Cursed didn't do the same to Sonic.  The moment he became Scourge he stopped being the "other side of the coin" and started being a rip-off.  

 

Ironically Shadow is a more accurate iteration of the "other side of the coin".  Scourge Ultimately is still just Evil-Sonic only now pretending he's not.  

 

Now don't get me wrong, I like the idea they wanted to make him more than an Evil-Sonic, and turning him into Scourge was a step in the right direction.  However, his personality is Sonic's-but-evil, his abilities are Sonic's-but-evil, even his "allies" are Sonic's-but-evil.  He fails to do anything to actually establish himself as a separate character. 

[GamemasterAnthony]

Personally, I would love to see them use the idea of multiple possible timelines.  They could even mention that time is not a linear progression and is instead made up wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey...stuff.  (To catch the attention of the Whovians.)

[LogiTeeka]

Personally, I would love to see them use the idea of multiple possible timelines.  They could even mention that time is not a linear progression and is instead made up wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey...stuff.  (To catch the attention of the Whovians.)

You mean something similar to this?

http://logiteeka.dev...heory-440581088

[RedAuthar]

Personally, I would love to see them use the idea of multiple possible timelines. They could even mention that time is not a linear progression and is instead made up wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey...stuff. (To catch the attention of the Whovians.)

You mean something similar to this?

http://logiteeka.dev...heory-440581088

No, most definitely not.

[vgiannell5]

 

 

But yeah, the whole "alternate universe" thing is pretty dumb. And Evil Sonic is still the most idiotic thing to come out of the comic to date, whether he's blue or green. Hopefully Ian Flynn will leave that stuff in the past now that the comic's been re-booted.

Yeah I thought making evil Sonic Green was also a step backwards too. When he was blue you could at least claim he was Sonic from another dimension, stupid but plausable in comic books. Turning him Green, now he's bad sprite-recolor status.

I actually kinda liked it. While it took pride in calling itself an "Evil universe", I kinda took it as an other "what-if" scenario in which the Freedom Fighters confront their negative traits manifested as the Suppression Squad. The Joker-esque quote which Scourge says to Sonic about him being alike, and how one bad day was all it took to eventually turn him into Scourge was kinda thought provoking. It kinda added another angle to Sonic's character; an angle which we might never see again.

But I will agree that the "alternate universe" cliche was abused a bit too much. I especially didn't care for the whole "Eggman being from an alternate future" thing. I understand they needed a way to bring back Robotnik fallowing his death during "Endgame", but there could've been other, more simple ways of doing it: like having him be the original Robotnik returning to seek vengeance after his supposed "death", or maybe a distant relative who also wishes to conquer the world. The whole "alternate future" explanation just makes things further complicated.

The reason for the Zone Cops' refusal to arrest Eggman doesn't help much either. The Freedom Fighters just defeated Robotnik Prime after a long and excruciating battle; then they ruin their victory by leaving this Robotnik in their care as a replacement "to restore balance." In other words, "we're too lazy to do anything about it." I bet they now regret the decision, with Eggman's Super Genesis Wave wiping away their very existence.

 

They didn't have a choice. Besides, even if they wanted to take Dr. Eggman in, they were too busy fighting a war against Eggman Nega whose been going around the Multiverse destroying other versions of Mobius.

[RedAuthar]

 

 

 

But yeah, the whole "alternate universe" thing is pretty dumb. And Evil Sonic is still the most idiotic thing to come out of the comic to date, whether he's blue or green. Hopefully Ian Flynn will leave that stuff in the past now that the comic's been re-booted.

Yeah I thought making evil Sonic Green was also a step backwards too. When he was blue you could at least claim he was Sonic from another dimension, stupid but plausable in comic books. Turning him Green, now he's bad sprite-recolor status.

I actually kinda liked it. While it took pride in calling itself an "Evil universe", I kinda took it as an other "what-if" scenario in which the Freedom Fighters confront their negative traits manifested as the Suppression Squad. The Joker-esque quote which Scourge says to Sonic about him being alike, and how one bad day was all it took to eventually turn him into Scourge was kinda thought provoking. It kinda added another angle to Sonic's character; an angle which we might never see again.

But I will agree that the "alternate universe" cliche was abused a bit too much. I especially didn't care for the whole "Eggman being from an alternate future" thing. I understand they needed a way to bring back Robotnik fallowing his death during "Endgame", but there could've been other, more simple ways of doing it: like having him be the original Robotnik returning to seek vengeance after his supposed "death", or maybe a distant relative who also wishes to conquer the world. The whole "alternate future" explanation just makes things further complicated.

The reason for the Zone Cops' refusal to arrest Eggman doesn't help much either. The Freedom Fighters just defeated Robotnik Prime after a long and excruciating battle; then they ruin their victory by leaving this Robotnik in their care as a replacement "to restore balance." In other words, "we're too lazy to do anything about it." I bet they now regret the decision, with Eggman's Super Genesis Wave wiping away their very existence.

 

They didn't have a choice. Besides, even if they wanted to take Dr. Eggman in, they were too busy fighting a war against Eggman Nega whose been going around the Multiverse destroying other versions of Mobius.

 

Not necessarily.  Zonic willing to drop Sonic off in alternate dimensions that benefit them, but the many he is dropped off in weren't unbalanced and had no alternate dimensional interference.  Also Robotnik-Prime's demise wasn't influenced (as far as we know) by the multiverse, which means Robo-Robotnik's very existence is unbalancing the dimension.