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@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 11:25 AM)

Also I still have to figure out how to set up our e-mail accounts on the new host.

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 08:19 AM)

As soon as I figure out how to restore it. Sorry, I know I said it'd be done by now, but I didn't expect to have to put up with this DNS crap and other issues that popped up.

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

So when's the black theme coming back??

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

"Should"

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 07:27 AM)

That DNS took longer to propagate properly than I thought it would. *Now* we should be back for good, though.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:48 PM)

Or it might be because Bluehost *finally* got around to that server wipe (one week after we'd asked for it) and that wiped out our DNS settings. I'm not sure which and I don't really care. In any case, we've severed our last ties with Bluehost, so this will not happen again.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:08 PM)

Looks like Bluehost yanked our DNS since our hosting account expired. That's why the site went down a while ago. But as you can see, it's fixed now.

@  Misk : (23 July 2015 - 04:55 PM)

No, they do not.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 04:27 AM)

The goggles do nothing?

@  Misk : (22 July 2015 - 05:50 PM)

My eyes.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 12:24 PM)

Looks like forum uploads might have been broken since last night. That should be fixed now too.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 01:33 AM)

Heh, whoops! Server went down for a few mins when I borked the config. Looks like it's back up now.

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 09:09 PM)

It looked like a napkin

@  ILOVEVHS : (21 July 2015 - 09:04 PM)

Fan-fuckin-tastic.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:25 PM)

As for the beaver picture while the forum was down, I think Tim drew it. On a napkin.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:24 PM)

No kiddin' about that "Finally!", Shadow. I am *so mad* at Bluehost for never responding to our support ticket. I submitted it early Friday morning and they *still* haven't answered it!

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 06:37 PM)

Maybe he did that himself

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:25 PM)

Say, who made the cute picture of Beaver Chief?

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:24 PM)

Finally!

@  RedMenace : (21 July 2015 - 05:02 PM)

Woooo! The site's back up! Three cheers for Kef!


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#21 Alextendo

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 05:44 PM

Wrong. I believe that making games based on franchises people like is a better move then making things unoriginal.

Also on the note of gameplay, even the remakes of the N64 Games had new gameplay mechanics that weren't in the originals. Also Luigi's Mansion 2 had been planned since GameCube Era.

Every Game that is a sequel is essentially the previous game only with better graphics and a few new elements.


This is not the good way to see it. A sequel should be more than just take the last game and add few stuff here or there. It have to be more, to offer more or give more. Game like Half-Life 2 is a good exemple of a sequel that did it right. It keep what make Half-Life good, upgrade the graphic, give new awesome weapon, totally new place without giving the impression that we are in a completely different universe, it enhance the story and keep us entertain.

Game like call of Duty for exemple are more of a copy/paste with a paint job more than anything. Take the same action scene and put it in a different context in attemp to make it look like it's not recycle from previous game (i'm looking right at you, MW3). For every New Super Mario Bros game, it's the same thing. Change few sprite here or there, add ennemy here and tweek the level desing to change the stage level layout and BAM! Ready to sell it for full price.

Zelda Link to the Past 2? Take the original Link to the Past, make it with 3D graphic, tweek the level desing and BAM! Sell it full price too.

When i look at some game like Super Mario Bros and Super Mario Bros 3, this is what i call a sequel that kick-ass! The base remain the same, but with MUCH more!

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 07:04 PM

Hey, i just remember something....there is ALREADY a sequel for Zelda Link to the Past!

.......Only released in Japan. It was for the Satellaview, the extension for the Super Famicom (just like the Famicom Disk System for the Famicom) under the name of: Bīesu Zeruda no Densetsu Inishie no Sekiban (according to zelda.wikia.com), which mean: ''
BS The Legend of Zelda: Ancient Stone Tablets''. ''BS'' stand for ''Broadcast Satellaview'', not for ''BullShit''. Only released in Japan in 1997, this game could be brought back for the first time for the western market!

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:30 AM

I doubt it. The BS series of games were more like expansion packs then full games. Though it would be cool.

And my opinion on sequels is if I have fun playing it, that's all that matters.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 07:36 AM

I doubt it. The BS series of games were more like expansion packs then full games. Though it would be cool.

And my opinion on sequels is if I have fun playing it, that's all that matters.


I've played it on emulator, i can tell you more about it if you want.

Also, when i have to paid the full price for a sequel that it's just the same thing with minor change, fun or not, it doesn't woth it.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:44 AM

Depends on what you think is minor changes and big changes and how much you value fun.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:57 AM

Depends on what you think is minor changes and big changes and how much you value fun.


The new game recently annonced for the 3DS fall in the categorie of small change, no effort for easy cash-in. Holy gee, Link to the Past with 3D graphic, let's call it a sequel and milk money out of it!

Take Sonic 4 for exemple, just take Sonic 1, change the level layout, change the name of the stage and give it a paint job and pray that no one would notice the complete lack of effort and imagination put in this game. I'm not agaisnt remake, but when you promote a game for what it's not (like pretending that Sonic 4 is supposed to be a sequel for exemple), just to make easy money out of it is just insulting.

If they want to make remake, fine, make remake. But you can't fill the library of a game console solely based on remake and/or rehashed!

The best remake that i can think of is Bionic Commando Rearmed and Black Mesa.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:17 AM

But a transition from Sprites to 3D Models is a big change. That and as a sequel you'd expect it to look similar. I'll agree Remakes can be very lazy (glares at Sly Collection which is more of a Port then a Remake), but that new Link to the Past 2 isn't a remake.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:46 AM

But a transition from Sprites to 3D Models is a big change. That and as a sequel you'd expect it to look similar. I'll agree Remakes can be very lazy (glares at Sly Collection which is more of a Port then a Remake), but that new Link to the Past 2 isn't a remake.


But Sonic 4 isn't a remake too, and this game was made with sprite based from 3D model graphic (heck, episode 2 is now with real-time 3D model). Still, it doesn't stop it to be a shameless rip-off from the first Sonic game. Sure, it have homing attack and spin-dash, which Sonic 1 don't have, but the same could be said for Link to the Past 2: Copy/past with 3D graphic, and a new hability to glue yourself to the wall.

Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 are what i call a sequel: they both used the same gameplay (which is logic, considering that it's the based of this serie), but Sonic 2 add new level, new soundtrack, new hability (spin-dash), new boss fight and more. This is a natural evolution of a sequel, keep the same base but add new stuff to it. A sequel don't need to be revolutionnary, but it need to feel new. What i mean is i don't have to feel that i already play this game before.

This is why some game like Doom 2 dissapointed me (which is saying alot, considering how i'm a HUGE Doom fan). Doom 2 is exactly like the first one, but with a new ''double-barrel Shotgun'', 2 or 3 new ennemie, and all new stage. No update beside that! It felt like an expansion pack more than a sequel, but with ''Ultimate Doom'' and ''Final Doom'', Doom 2 is more like a fail extension, not a proper sequel.

When i play a game like, let's say, Resistance 2, i know the drill: fight the evil chimera! I know the weapon, the ennemie, but i don't feel like doing the exact same thing as the previous game, because the game give us new environment, expend the story, new character and objectif, etc.

When i saw the gameplay footage of Link to the Past 2, i recognise all the place (but now with different level layout), but with new graphic. I feel that i've already play this game, even if i don't own (and don't want) a 3DS. When you got that feeling, you know that something is wrong.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:59 AM

And I don't get that feeling. I see the new powers and new graphics and see a new game in a world I'm familiar with.

I would also argue that all that changed between Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 is the spin dash and Tails. New Levels aren't that big of deal.

Also you did argue that New Super Mario Bros 2 was one of the games that uninterested you yet it did the exact same thing Sonic 2 did compared to the previous game in its series. Both added new levels and a few new gameplay mechanics yet play rather close to the one before.

Not saying you have to like the 3DS but just disagreeing with your opinion on it.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:44 AM

And I don't get that feeling. I see the new powers and new graphics and see a new game in a world I'm familiar with.
Also you did argue that New Super Mario Bros 2 was one of the games that uninterested you yet it did the exact same thing Sonic 2 did compared to the previous game in its series. Both added new levels and a few new gameplay mechanics yet play rather close to the one before.


You see, it's the main thing, Sonic 2 add new stuff, like new stage and more and feel different. New Super Mario 2 add new stage and stuff (just like Sonic 2), but yet it fail and feel the same. How can a game can succeed and an another one could fail by doing the exact same thing? The answer is not about what you do, but more like HOW you do it.

I could take Zelda Ocarina Master Quest and upgrade the graphic and call it ''Zelda Ocarina of Time 2'' if i want. But yet, it would fail as a sequel because it would feel like more of the same as Ocarina of Time (just with upgrade graphic and new layout). A sequel should be more of the same serie, not more of the same game. This is the goal of what an expansion pack is, not a sequel.

Let's talk about expansion pack a bit, shall we? An expansion is mainly to add more from a specific game. An expansion can be stand-alone (like Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon or Red Dead Redemption Undead Nightmare for exemple), or can need the original game which it's based on (like Doom 3 Ressurection of Evil or Call of Duty United Ofensive for exemple). Either way, an expension add more from a specific game. It could be a sequel from a story perspective, or just add alot of new element to the game. For game like Zelda Ancient Stone Tablet, this game is a sequel (story-wise) from a Link to the Past. As a stand-alone expension from a Link to the Past, this game share the same gameplay mecanic, even the same location and more. But you play with a new character, set with new mission and objectif, totally new donjon and find new hability and more.

Call of Duty United Offensive is an expansion pack from the first CoD for PC, and add new mission in the same contiunity from the first game, new weapon (like the flamethrower or the G43 for exemple), objectif and add new gameplay feature, like sprinting and more.

Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon share the same gameplay as for Far Cry 3, but set a totally new story in a totally different setting, with new gun, hability, ennemy and more. The gameplay is the same as Far Cry 3, but tweek as well. Your character run faster and jump higher (because you play as a cyber-commando).

Overall, this is what a expension pack is: Take a game and add more to it. It could be for the story, the gameplay, etc, or all of that combine.

But what about the DLC, then? DLC are just some water-down expansion created for the sole purpose for making quick cash.

So, if an expension is more from a same game, a sequel have to be more from the same franchise, which lead us to my next point: game like Link to the Past 2 for 3DS!

Link to the Past 2 look too much like the original Link to the Past to feel like a sequel. Because of this and the graphic, it look more like a remake, but because of the different layout, it's more like an expansion pack than a sequel. So, because the game is graphickly better, it could be see as a remake, but because of the new layout, it's more of an expansion (not a sequel, because it look too much of the same). In the end, it's too similar to be a sequel, but too different to be a remake.

It's the same thing with game like Sonic 4 Episode 1: It look too much like Sonic 1 and with enhance graphic, this game is more of a remake. But with new level layout, it's couldn't be a remake. So in the end, this game is too similar to Sonic 1 to be a sequel, but it's too different to be a remake. So it's more of a terrible in-between.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:09 PM

Appearances can be deceiving.

As you said before you chose not to get a 3DS because all the games on it look similar. I have a few of those games and know they play rather different (example Luigi's Mansion 2 and Kid Icarus Uprising) from the previous games yet close enough to be called sequels. And by no means are they just 3D ports.

I don't believe you can fairly judge the game until you played it. And since Link to the Past 2 is a year out, they still have time to add stuff to it.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:30 PM

Appearances can be deceiving.

As you said before you chose not to get a 3DS because all the games on it look similar. I have a few of those games and know they play rather different (example Luigi's Mansion 2 and Kid Icarus Uprising) from the previous games yet close enough to be called sequels. And by no means are they just 3D ports.

I don't believe you can fairly judge the game until you played it. And since Link to the Past 2 is a year out, they still have time to add stuff to it.


Luigi's Mansion 2 is one of the few game that look like a true sequel, but why make a sequel to a game like Luigi's Mansion? I mean, i don't hate the original game, but why do Luigi (my favorite Mario character btw) only have those kind of game? Why not his own plateforme adventure or something?

Kid Icarus Uprising look great! But i'm not sure about the control, i've heard some complain about the control and having not play it myself, i couldn't said if it's true or not, but i take it in consideration of a possible issue.

But for the new Link to the Past 2, for what is being presented so far is not very interesting. Maybe the rest will worth it, but so far i rather stick with the original game for the SNES. I can't said for what is not yet being showed.

As for the 3DS itself, i just CAN'T stand this 3D gimmick. I know it's optionnal, but it's the main feature of the console. I don't care for the motion sensor too. If i decide to buy a 3DS now, Nintendo will probably come back with a new version with dual stick control, to replace the ''standard'' single stick version, making my purchase useless. Because of this, i rather wait.

If i ever going to buy a 3DS, it will be only for the second half of the life of the console, but not earlier. That is, of course, if i'm going to buy one someday.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:58 PM

Fair enough. To each their own.

And at least it ain't a Vita.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 07:28 PM

Fair enough. To each their own.

And at least it ain't a Vita.


Lol, the Vita. Pretty ironic if you think about that. How so? Well, the name Vita mean something about life or living. For the case of the Vita, his life is nothing more of a misery! So far, this console is nothing more than a commercial disaster. The complete lack of big title prevent it to sell more. I you want to know what i think, i'm pretty sure that the Vita will end up the same as the PSP: an over-hype system that isn't worth it.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 05:07 PM

Appearances can be deceiving.

As you said before you chose not to get a 3DS because all the games on it look similar. I have a few of those games and know they play rather different (example Luigi's Mansion 2 and Kid Icarus Uprising) from the previous games yet close enough to be called sequels. And by no means are they just 3D ports.

I don't believe you can fairly judge the game until you played it. And since Link to the Past 2 is a year out, they still have time to add stuff to it.

Luigi's Mansion 2 is one of the few game that look like a true sequel, but why make a sequel to a game like Luigi's Mansion? I mean, i don't hate the original game, but why do Luigi (my favorite Mario character btw) only have those kind of game? Why not his own plateforme adventure or something?


Because of Mario is Missing. Besides, Luigi's Mansion 2 was wanted by fans for years.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 05:15 PM

Appearances can be deceiving.

As you said before you chose not to get a 3DS because all the games on it look similar. I have a few of those games and know they play rather different (example Luigi's Mansion 2 and Kid Icarus Uprising) from the previous games yet close enough to be called sequels. And by no means are they just 3D ports.

I don't believe you can fairly judge the game until you played it. And since Link to the Past 2 is a year out, they still have time to add stuff to it.

Luigi's Mansion 2 is one of the few game that look like a true sequel, but why make a sequel to a game like Luigi's Mansion? I mean, i don't hate the original game, but why do Luigi (my favorite Mario character btw) only have those kind of game? Why not his own plateforme adventure or something?


Because of Mario is Missing. Besides, Luigi's Mansion 2 was wanted by fans for years.


Don't blame it on Mario is Missing. Beside, a Luigi game doesn't need to be a ''save Mario adventure''. What's dissapoint me with Luigi Mansion is why can't i jump? Why is there no ''?'' box anywhere? Why just in a dark mansion with ghost and a vacuum? Why did Luigi have to be restrain to these criteria?

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 05:34 PM

Because anything related or similar to Ghostbusters sells.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 05:37 PM

Because anything related or similar to Ghostbusters sells.


I'm not a fan of Ghostbuster (even if i don't hate it). I want a true plateform game with Luigi :(
Come on Nintendo, i'm waiting....

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 05:55 PM

Nintendo: We shall make you Luigi platformer. But we only make it DLC for New Super Mario Bros U.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 06:01 PM

Nintendo: We shall make you Luigi platformer. But we only make it DLC for New Super Mario Bros U.


I hate DLC -_- . It's sad that the only thing they can came up with is just a DLC. Beside, i don't own a Wii U. Not because i don't have the money, but because i don't want one.

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