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[Teirusu]

First of all, hope you don't angry for share and comment it Matt. I want to talk about your video:



I think you have speak about some interesting things about Sonic. I don't like Youtube for comments this videos, because just check your video, just stupid comments about: make Sonic Generations 2 , Make Heroes 2, etc etc.

I want to make a discussion here. Want to share with FUS and want to hear opinions.

I will start:

First you stated is that SEGA is out of ideas. Can be true or can be false, We can't knew it.

One proof is...just check the latest games: Sonic Adventure 1 remake, Sonic Adventure 2 remake, Sonic CD remake and the next game incoming, Sonic The Hedgehog 1 remake (again).

That could make you think that SEGA is out of ideas, but I think not. This is called "easy money", you do a few updates, you know the game will sell, you just need some artist that upgrade the video quality and voila, you have a remake.

I will combine four things you stated:

"SEGA is out of ideas"
"We told you (SEGA) want We want"
"Some fans want ... Some fans want....Some fans want...."
"We are terrible fans"

SEGA never run out of ideas because since Internet, Sonic is famous known as the most heared fanbase. SEGA always heared us, the problem is not what you said about we are terribles, is because we are one of the huggest fanbase comunnity of videogames.

Some people can think that be the huggest fanbase is awesome, is the best is blablabla. I'm afraid they are wrong. As you said, everyone is free to comment his opinion, so even a kid of 7 years can comment, even a hater can comment.

This generation (2010-2020) has the worst gamers in the whole history. People use internet for complain about what they don't like instead of what they like. That cause companys like SEGA, CAPCOM, everyone, get confused. Imagine that instead of saying Sonic is awesome, I say Mario suck. Now imagine everyone do that. Suddenly Nintendo read a lot of negative comments. What they should do? They don't know and sadly most of the comment are from people that never played it because another fact that make gamers of nowdays sux, is that they use his opinion for integrate in societies. Is the "gamer vane", he spin where he need. In one comunity love Sonic and in other hate it.

Now all I said before, is the same is happening on Sonic fanbase. We don't need hater from others companies, we just need ourselves.

Sonic fanbase is huge, a lot of people with different opinions (for example you like Sonic Colors and I think was bad, but I just don't talk about it, I prefer to say how I like Sonic R even I know that have some fails), We have 20 years of Sonic history. Sonic Stadium is one example. Is for me the latest forum I wanna join. Why? Is just a community that fight who Sonic game is worst.

Imagine 2 ways:

One forum where everyone say positive things of every game they want.

One forum where everyone say negative things of every game they hate.

If you go to the first one, you just have to see which are more popular, which one have more followers to see where you have to focus.

If you go to the last one, you don't know a shit. Because if you go to Sonic 1 you can hear "omg Sonic doesn't have Homming atack, it sux", and when you go to Sonic 2006 "omg, Sonic's Homming atack sux". If you were SEGA, what you will do. You don't know.

Posting a pool of facebook I think is useless. Is like I said, we are very different even if we are fans of Sonic fanbase. One example is here, I'm a videogame Sonic fan, and most of you are comic/satam fans. I still don't like at all this stuff about Freedom Fighters and archie is kinda weird. You see me talking about stuff I dislike about SatAM? I think not, the only thing you could read me is talking about Ben commentary "They should add Sally and co to videogames" that I replied that is innecesary, only I could agree in add Sally on a strategy game like "Advance Wars" because Sonic franchise still doesn't have a strategist or one good leadership like Sally. I'm not a huge fan of SatAM even if I'm here and I don't try to hide. I love this comunnity because everyone argue reasonably even if I'm disagree. I like your video a lot Matt. I like in fact how you try to argue reasonably about introduce SatAM in other media.

Sonic never runned out of ideas, We have sport games, olympics games, pinball games (and watch Spinball, is kinda weird and is awesome), party games, racing games, puzzle games, rpg games, 2D games, 2'5D games, 3D games, action games, and I'm sure they will make more surprising games.

A lot of vareties, a lot of games, a lot of opinions, but never said we are an horrible fanbase. We have one of the best fanbase even 80% of the fans are ....specials.

We have a lot of hack versions by fans, we have creepy pasta like Sonic.exe , We have a better version of Sonic 1 soon thanks to one fan called Taxman, we have all the cartoons in multi-lenguage thanks to fans that waste their time dubbing and fansubbing. We are one community with the higgest fan-art work. We have the longest videogame comics. You think we are horrible? I think not. Remember what you are doing Mat..oh yes. a FAN ANIMATION, made from a FAN COMIC about a history FAN MADE by FANS of Sonic SatAM. How much fanbases continues a end show with such popularity?

You only have to find your group on Sonic fanbase, thing that SEGA can't, SEGA always tryed to make a game that make happy all, that I think is completely impossible. The problem with Sonic fanbase is that we are really huge and is completely impossible make a game that make happy all.

I will make the last example:

RE have his own forum, if you don't like RE just don't join to a forum of RE and you are not a fan of RE.

Sonic have a lot of forums. Fans of SatAM, fans of videogames, fans of archie, fans of classical, fans of modern games. If you don't like SatAM, you don't join to a SatAM forum, but if you like Sonic videogames, you are still a fan of Sonic.

I want to hear your opinions. What do you think. I think Matt really started an interesting topic that should be funny how it would end. Sonic fanbase is horrible? SEGA should make a poll?

What do you think?

[Uncle Ben]

I liked the comment i put on it (though everyone seems to disagree with me)

What Sega needs to do is to tie in ALL of the fan bases and make a game that would appease ALL of the fans

[Teirusu]

You think that is possible?

You think you can appease people that like homing atack with the one that don't, the one who like the Boost to win with the one that don't, the one who like Silver (yes, there is people who like Silver), that the one that don't? You can make a game that gather all the worlds like Archie, Satam, Underground, Werehog, in a 2D enviroment, in a 3D enviroment, with homming atack, without it. With a game where all the characters have an important role like in Sonic Adventure because Sonic cast is little, more if we count with SatAM and Archie. Just try to gather stuff from all the history of the 20 years of Sonic in just a single game.

Don't think wrong, your idea is the best, but I think is completely impossible

[Hammer]

But what game would please ALL of the fans?

"It never rains at the pleasure of everyone", Teirusu will get this one.

[Teirusu]

The only Sonic game I support right now that can appease a big number of fans is a musical game like:



There will be fans dissapointed as always, those people that hate spin-offs, those people that will say "why this song is not added" "why this is one more important", "why not make a REAL sonic game". But personaly, I learnt from the experience that there is one thing in common that most of the Sonic fans share. Sonic music is outstanding and Sonic still don't have a musical-rythm game.

By my side, if this game appear I pre-order it as same with the book "History of Sonic the Hedgehog" and the same with the game I show because I'm 100% sure the game won't dissapoint me, and trust me, Final Fantasy Theatrhytm didn't dissapointed me. It was 100% pure awesomeness

[Uncle Ben]

Nothings impossible Teirusu. It IS a long shot but if Sega were to put their time and effort into it they will find a way.

To solve the 2D Vs. 3D problem all they gotta do is have a setting where you can play as one or the other. It could on be set before or after levels

To solve the Character issue you just need to balance everyone out (and redeem Silver a bit he deserves it). Just have the base cast of the game in the styling of Adventure 1 where everyone has a different story BUT everyone has a different stage (they can look similar but it cannot be the same stage). The cast should be some thing like Sonic, Shadow, Silver, Sally, Blaze etc. with characters such as Tails and Amy giving support and actually have a few stages themselves within the story.

As i said they just need to sit down and think it through

[Alextendo]

I've read a good article about the Sonic Fanbase here:

http://gamebabble.wo...st-fandom-ever/

[Teirusu]

Nothings impossible Teirusu. It IS a long shot but if Sega were to put their time and effort into it they will find a way.

To solve the 2D Vs. 3D problem all they gotta do is have a setting where you can play as one or the other. It could on be set before or after levels

To solve the Character issue you just need to balance everyone out (and redeem Silver a bit he deserves it). Just have the base cast of the game in the styling of Adventure 1 where everyone has a different story BUT everyone has a different stage (they can look similar but it cannot be the same stage). The cast should be some thing like Sonic, Shadow, Silver, Sally, Blaze etc. with characters such as Tails and Amy giving support and actually have a few stages themselves within the story.

As i said they just need to sit down and think it through

"Nothing is impossible"

Sorry, I don't think so. Is good live in the world of the dreams, but you have to accept the reality. Humans, Stones, Animals everything have limitations. You won't never change that 1+1 = 2 "That is impossible". There is things hardly possible to do, that humans use "nothing is impossible" to cheer up and doesn't give up, but is certainly true that there are things impossible.

Trust me, I would love living in a world with endless posibilites, with "if you try, you can do anything" or "if you want, you can", but that is trash, even if I want to fly, even if I try so hard, I won't. Is impossible.

Have you ever watched Full Metal Alchemist and the rule about eqilibrium? Is the same. It could work sometimes, but not always.

We are all humans, but we are all diferents. We don't have the same likes, We don't have the same opinions. You can't make a game that like everyone, or you can make a game that even those people who never liked the videogames will like it. Impossible.

If you try to add all those stuff you say, for some people the game will be "long". As you said, if Tails hadn't got a important role, I would be dissapointed, but at same time, if he have an important role, people will have to play with it and those who hate Tails will be disapointed.

I'm sorry if I was very gross. I don't want in any moment try to offend, but are my thoughts. I believed in those things when I was young, but thats not how the real world works.

[Uncle Ben]

Sums it up right there.

[Uncle Ben]

Nothings impossible Teirusu. It IS a long shot but if Sega were to put their time and effort into it they will find a way.

To solve the 2D Vs. 3D problem all they gotta do is have a setting where you can play as one or the other. It could on be set before or after levels

To solve the Character issue you just need to balance everyone out (and redeem Silver a bit he deserves it). Just have the base cast of the game in the styling of Adventure 1 where everyone has a different story BUT everyone has a different stage (they can look similar but it cannot be the same stage). The cast should be some thing like Sonic, Shadow, Silver, Sally, Blaze etc. with characters such as Tails and Amy giving support and actually have a few stages themselves within the story.

As i said they just need to sit down and think it through

"Nothing is impossible"

Sorry, I don't think so. Is good live in the world of the dreams, but you have to accept the reality. Humans, Stones, Animals everything have limitations. You won't never change that 1+1 = 2 "That is impossible". There is things hardly possible to do, that humans use "nothing is impossible" to cheer up and doesn't give IP, but is certainly true that there are things impossible.

Trust me, I would love living in a world with endless posibilites, with "if you try, you can do anything" or "if you want, you can", but that is trash, even if I want to fly, even if I try so hard, I won't. Is impossible.

Have you ever watched Full Metal Alchemist and the rule about eqilibrium? Is the same. It could work sometimes, but not always.

We are all humans, but we are all diferents. We don't have the same likes, We don't have the same opinions. You can't make a game that like everyone, or you can make a game that even those people who never liked the videogames will like it. Impossible.

If you try to add all those stuff you say, for some people the game will be "long". As you said, if Tails hadn't got a important role, I would be dissapointed, but at same time, if he have an important role, people will have to play with it and those who hate Tails will be disapointed.

I'm sorry if I was very gross. I don't want in any moment try to offend, but are my thoughts. I believed in those things when I was young, but thats not how the real world works.

I believe that anything is possible because ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. If you are willing to put your mind into it you can accomplish anything.

We can fly. look at all the planes and helicopters in the sky. Yea those are machines but its a step forward. Jetpacks are the next step and there ARE some out there, granted they are Military and still cost too much, but its a start.

I do watch FMA. i know about that theory and i think it only applies to trade and creating something.

I'm not saying we make a game that all people will like. I say the game should appease all SONIC fans and we can IF we are willing to make it happen. Right now your saying it cant happen. It cant but only with that mindset but if you have a mindset that can make it work it WILL work. I know how the real world works and its not good. i want to change it, the outlook of the world is bleak but we CAN change it

[Alextendo]

Don't hope too much Ben, some fan seem to have pleasure to bash the Sonic franchise. Some people will hate only for the sake of hating. Sad, i know...

[Uncle Ben]

Heh, i know it would be dificult if there is a shot, any shot, in uniting the fanbase, even if its just a bit, i'm willing to take it.

[Alextendo]

Heh, i know it would be dificult if there is a shot, any shot, in uniting the fanbase, even if its just a bit, i'm willing to take it.

Uniting the North and the South of the Korea would be easier i guess

[Hammer]

Oh my, phylosophical debates (gets popcorn)

[Teirusu]

I believe that anything is possible because ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. If you are willing to put your mind into it you can accomplish anything.

We can fly. look at all the planes and helicopters in the sky. Yea those are machines but its a step forward. Jetpacks are the next step and there ARE some out there, granted they are Military and still cost too much, but its a start.

I do watch FMA. i know about that theory and i think it only applies to trade and creating something.

I'm not saying we make a game that all people will like. I say the game should appease all SONIC fans and we can IF we are willing to make it happen. Right now your saying it cant happen. It cant but only with that mindset but if you have a mindset that can make it work it WILL work. I know how the real world works and its not good. i want to change it, the outlook of the world is bleak but we CAN change it

Well, you thing anything is possible? Try to think in something that doesn't exist or try to touch the moon without anything.

I don't want go more far, because is speak about people with disabilities is really sad and I don't want go so far. Is just a argue about Sonic so... well, if you keep saying that anything is possible like make all the people happy is fine. I had learned that it isn't but if you think it is fine.

About the last thing...I can't understand you, Is like if we have diferent minds. For so much you will there is things that can't change. If you really will to make a Sonic games that like to all Sonic fans doesn't have to work. Even are people nowdays that say that Sonic The Hedgehog 2 (the game most sold of Sonic) is bad.

Is like say "I will make a meat food that even vegetarian will eat it". For so much you will, it isn't possible. If you eat meat, you are not vegetarian anymore so you are not feeding vegetarian and if you don't eat, you fail in your will.

It's called paradox:

A humoristic example is this one:



A cat always fall with the feets
A toast always fall with the part of the butter

What happens if you throw him?

He start flying on circles because can't do both things at same time.

Yes it is a joke xDDDD.

Oh my, phylosophical debates (gets popcorn)

what a bitch xDDDD

Anyway Ben, what your be your Ideal game? I want to hear it. Not for trying to break it. I'm courious. Even if if I'm joking a bit, look nice what you are saying about your game.

And about what I said, take it as a joke. One thing that make a human person is believe strong in yourself. No matter what all people say. Be yourself, think yourself do what you think is right. I'm not trying to destroy your thoughts. I'm just giving my opinion.

[ILOVEVHS]

The odds are probably a million to one.

I like those odds.

[Skylar]

I liked the comment i put on it (though everyone seems to disagree with me)

What Sega needs to do is to tie in ALL of the fan bases and make a game that would appease ALL of the fans

Yes. Let's take for example the new Black-Hispanic Spiderman, and use its sucess to measure how much SEGA may succeed at making a game that appeals to all fans.



(Picture of the new Black-Hispanic Spiderman.)

I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be mean, but the new Spiderman isn't too popular, because Marvel is trying to satisfy too may crowds at one time. You can never satisfy everyone. Some people will want a new Jet Set gaem, and others will want the Streets of Rage franchise brout back, while other will wants a new Sonic game. You satified one thrid of the crowd. Congrats. But where does that leave you? With 2/3 of the crowd opposing your decision, if you were one of the Principals of SEGA. Humans are a weird race of specimen. Everyone has a different taste. we can take for example the heterosexuals, the homosexuals, and the bisexuals. Some people people like the opposite sex, while other like the same sex, and some can go both ways. If the numbers for each crowd were the same, the homosexuals and the heterosexuals would never come to terms, because one decision cannot satify both crowds, since the have opposing sexual tastes, while the bisexuals couldn't care less.

There's really no point to making a "mix tape" game, because it will never serve its purpose. As Abraham Linclon said:

You can fool everyone some of the time, and may even fool some people all the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time.

Although paraphrased, if you understand this quote, you can see what I'm tyring to say. I think.

[Uncle Ben]

You may say i'm a Dreamer, but i'm not the only one

[Skylar]

No, I know. There are a lot of other people who want to make a piece of media that satifies all the crowds. But, in the end, "The World is Not Enough."

You can also look at the differance between single players and online players. Some people would like for games to be able to be played online with others, while others want more memory to be used to enhance the single player experience. You can't blame them. Some people play with internet (online supporters) and others don't (single player supporters), so they'll have different views. Mario and Sonic is also a wall, but I won't get into detail on that, because I made my point.

It would be nice to make a game like so, but reality is reality, just like how none of us can cheat death, becaus ein the end, death cheats us.

[Alextendo]

You may say i'm a Dreamer, but i'm not the only one

Exactly! Take me for exemple:
I would dream to see the Capitalism be replaced by Communism, then all the religion (and all the trouble they could bring along with them) being gone for good. After that, video game turn back to the old good time of what they used to be in the '80 and '90 and after all that, i WILL RULE THE WORLD! MOUHAHAHAHA....why are you all looking at me like that?