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[Uncle Ben]

Ok as much as i hate the US. Political system, its still considered one of the best because we still choose who leads us (even though 9/10 times they all suck.) So yea say what you want about the Politics of the US., world, etc. and say what you like/dislike/whatever about it. So this topic is just debating about it.


Try not to kill each other....

[ILOVEVHS]

(Murders Ben)

[Uncle Ben]

(VHS fails and gets sent back 150m by Ben using Unrelenting Force shout. This is a serious topic VHS)

Anyways, one of my biggest problems with the US system is the 27th Amendment: Giving Politicians the power to vote for their own pay raises, In other words if some Senator (and by some i mean ALL of them) say i want a 100k pay increase they basically get it.

[Alextendo]

One of the main problem with the US politic is in fact their main system: Capitalism!

Why you may ask? Well, capitalism is to protect the value of capitol, the thing is: It's a system when personnal profit is important. So big corporation usualy want to give more money in order to make product to get MORE money in return. That's create budjet inflation and are relate to the unnescapable financial defecit. A system like this is more promp to corruption, because money give power, and those who have power abuse their power to get more money. It's a vicious circle that's give more money to goverment/corporation and the population get fucked because of it. That's just greedy.

So, they corrup the system for their own gain/power, lie to the population (because the less they know, the easier it is to fraud them), make war to steal oil supply and more more. Now, the US goverment have instal a system know as ''New World Order'', which is a enormous mockery to the whole world!

[Uncle Ben]

better than Communism

[Alextendo]

better than Communism

Do you really think?

[Uncle Ben]

I do.

I'm gonna say something one of my teachers told me: America may have its problems but its still one of the best places to live

[Alextendo]

I do.

I'm gonna say something one of my teachers told me: America may have its problems but its still one of the best places to live

You REALLY think that the Capitalism America is better than communist Russia? What's make it better? Because the US goverment said so?

[ILOVEVHS]

Almost anything is better than communism.

[Alextendo]

Almost anything is better than communism.

How? What do you know about communism?

[Uncle Ben]

No. This is what i believe. Look at N. Korea, Iran, and other Communist countries... they have NO freedom whatsoever. Do one thing wrong and you either get the death penalty or 15 years of hard labor.

Im gonna tell you something that my 12th grade pre-calulous teacher told me. He grew up in Communist Soviet Union, and when he moved here in the early '90s he said he would never go back to a Communist country. He says that America does have some problems but he said it is far better here than it is in the USSR/Russia.

[Alextendo]

No. This is what i believe. Look at N. Korea, Iran, and other Communist countries... they have NO freedom whatsoever. Do one thing wrong and you either get the death penalty or 15 years of hard labor.

Im gonna tell you something that my 12th grade pre-calulous teacher told me. He grew up in Communist Soviet Union, and when he moved here in the early '90s he said he would never go back to a Communist country. He says that America does have some problems but he said it is far better here than it is in the USSR/Russia.

There is 2 kind of thing that you need to look for:
1-How a social system is intented to work
2-How the system is actually used.

I have study ALOT about both the communism and capitalism system and i can tell you more than you know about how those 2 different system where planned to work, and how they actually work.

[ILOVEVHS]

Almost anything is better than communism.

How? What do you know about communism?

My grandmother forced me to read quite a few books on communism.

[Alextendo]

Almost anything is better than communism.

How? What do you know about communism?

My grandmother forced me to read quite a few books on communism.

What kind of book? How much? Propaganda book? Other?

[ILOVEVHS]

A lengthy book for schools.

[Uncle Ben]

i'd rather be able to pick a bunch of leaders with different view than pick a bunch of leaders who are under "one party". I prefer diversity with a bit of bi-partisanship

[Alextendo]

A lengthy book for schools.

In the cold war, alot of thing (including school) where full of anti-communism propaganda.

[ILOVEVHS]

I read Howard Zinn.

[Alextendo]

I read Howard Zinn.

Never heard of him.
But for the conversation, i will take many minutes to explain in details about the difference of capitalism and communism and tell you what and how both of the two system work and what kind of society they can offer. It will take many minutes to write all that because i have alot to said. I will ONLY talk about acutal fact, because i'm not bias for one side or another and i want to be fair with both of them.

[ILOVEVHS]

He's an author who wrote a history book that actually explained what happened. Not propaganda.