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[Aizen90]

[quote/] Since Sea3on is a fan attempt to recreate what the origonal 3rd season could've been, it would have to aknowlage the time period it would've aired in. Since Amy was around back then, she would have the same rights as Knuckles and Metal Sonic to apprear in the series. Other game characters weren't introduced yet, so it would've been quite a while before they could appear.

If Sea3on continues to gets more seasons, they could introduce the other characters according to their debute date.[/quote]

Yeah, but as I said, her character doesn't fit the series, and we already have lots of light hearted characters in the show, and Antione as a comedic character.

[quote/]"I agree with that."[/quote]

I don't think you were reading that, he said it would *not* be nice to include newer characters from the more recent games, and later on you respond to someone by saying why can't we have the new characters included.

[quote/] Is the issue of fan-war important? Had SatAM continued, I'm sure the origonal writers would have no problem adding Amy to the cast. Back then, they could depict the character however they wanted. She was originally Tails' age, right? So why not have her be a member of Tails' fanclub for Sonic? She could be a buddy for Tails to hang out with. It could work.[/quote]

Bitchfests going on constantly instead of positive discussion on a long awaited season 3 isn't the worst thing ever, but not nice to read next to a great series that people have worked hard for, no-one wants comment sections to look like Nightwish youtube videos. But anyway that wasn't my point here, my main point was that the fanbase would be divided, you would get a lot of people hating the series that wouldn't have before, that is important and would very likely happen. I like where you're going with changing her character, I was going to say can't you really do that, but then again they changed the way Tails is for SatAM. But a love triangle wouldn't make sense because of what I said before, and also of all the versions of Sonic to exist, this is the Sonic that would be the most annoyed and put off by her, and I wouldn't find it funny, just an annoyingly repeating joke/gimmick as he already has Sally.

[quote/]I don't see anything wrong with these characters. If SatAM continued into the 2000's and kept the same premise it always had, these characters could still work.

Cream and Big could be a minor residents at Knothole, Rouge could act as a freelancer to either side, and Shadow and Gerald could still be incorporated into the continuity. I mean, we don't know where Robotnik came from or what inspired him. Since he's related to Snively, he must have a family somewhere.

Heck, one of Ben Hurst's origonal ideas for the 3rd season mentions a space station that Robotnik tries taking over. That could've easily been the ARC.[/quote]

You can't just say but what if it continued into X date, because it didn't, it was and feels like a 90's show, and the character designs/personalities don't match sega's newer characters basically at all.

Also think realistically, look how many characters you're putting into the show and have to balance screen time and side/back stories with, the show would get cluttered and the pace would be all over the place, but also by that point you're not leaving any room for original characters which should be the main focus of the show, it would just come off as unoriginal and just feel like an official sega series because there's so many of them, not feel like SatAM at all, that's also because imo, these characters simply don't fit the SatAM Universe.

Rotor, Antione, Bunny, Sally, Snively, (and all the others) all of these characters have interesting personalities, I can't say that about any of sega's characters, most of them are too childish and are just there to be positive protagonists, Shadow, stereotypicaly moody, 'I have a dark past' we all know the story, no one likes Big, most don't like Cream, and while you can change their characters, you're talking about how you want them in the show because you like them as they are now, if you change who they are what's the point in including them (doesn't apply to Tails). A lot of their character designs like Rouge and Shadow just don't fit to me either.

[quote/]"That hasn't stopped us from asking why the SatAM cast aren't included in any of the Sega games.

Each universe is different, but they all have common elements. Sally, for example, appeared in the Fleetway universe (with a different makeover), and characters from Fleetway appeared in the Archie universe as well. Heck, SatAM and Archie are considered by many fans to be separate universes, yet they have a lot in common.

If that's the case, what's to stop Sonic's siblings from making an appearance? Heck, many ideas used in "Underground" were origonally for SatAM, including Manic and Sonia.[/quote]

I agree with being able to use characters from other universes in sonic, but again I feel like you're just saying "yeah throw any old character in just because you can it'll be great", well imo Sonia & Manic don't fit the show as they are either.

I said Nack the Sniper would fit, and I think so because he has a simple but cool character design that's more like SatAM's style, the cowboy hat is something you'd see a lot more in 80's/90's shows then today, and the fact that he is a sniper could have an awesome story written around it. His personality essesntially not being written by sega at all helps as well. He would be such a better character as a hired assasin, someone who works with either side then Rouge would be.

[Skylar]

(begins to cry...)
WHY!?

[chief]

Is it true that Ben Hurst had storylines for the first three episodes of Season 3.

I'm not sure how many times questions like this have popped up over time..But the answer is still the same...No. There were no story lines, no episodes, no art, no concepts, no rough copies, the list goes on.

Basically all they had planned was for Naugus to be the red eyes.. Knuckles to maybe pop in.. And a few other random things.

But there were no story boards, scripts, drawings yadda yadda.
Nothing was actually done or even really thought of concerning the third season. Besides some rough plans in Ben's mind.

NOW I do know that the internet..being what it is is somewhat dumb at times. In fact someone years ago thought that the old Season 3 comic (not the current but the one like 10 years ago) was actually based off of lost episodes....Obviously not true.

Also...In more recent times Ive found out that someone who was creating Sea3on video on youtube (comic read through things) was crediting Ben Hurst for writing Sea3on. Cause apparently looking in the "credits" section is stupidly hard to do. (however that is all fixed now)

Sea3on its self isn't going straight on all the little things Ben Hurstmade public..Hell, take the Nicole thing for example. Thats different from how he planned it and how Archie does it. Mind you part of that reason is because our Sea3on story has been flushed out for some time.. So we weren't going to change big parts around just because a few new pieces of what Ben was thinking came to light.

Uhm...I guess point being in all of this the comic is basing its self off of what we knew in Season 1 and Season 2. Adding a few things here and there but mostly just going along with original thoughts and how we figured Season 3 could have gone. Eric is doing a brilliant job writing it, and people are obviously enjoying it.

[LogiTeeka]

Since Sea3on is a fan attempt to recreate what the origonal 3rd season could've been, it would have to aknowlage the time period it would've aired in. Since Amy was around back then, she would have the same rights as Knuckles and Metal Sonic to apprear in the series. Other game characters weren't introduced yet, so it would've been quite a while before they could appear.

If Sea3on continues to gets more seasons, they could introduce the other characters according to their debute date.

Yeah, but as I said, her character doesn't fit the series, and we already have lots of light hearted characters in the show, and Antione as a comedic character.

That didn't stop characters like Dulcy from appearing. I could see a character like Amy being a toned-down version of Dulcy; less annoying and more fitting and likable.

And honestly, the show's not as dark as most people make it out to be. From a critical view, if the show was as dark as everyone says, Sonic shouldn't even be in it. His personality is way too carefree to be in this situation and his design sticks out like a sore thumb when compared to the more realistic designs of the other characters.

I don't think you were reading that, he said it would *not* be nice to include newer characters from the more recent games, and later on you respond to someone by saying why can't we have the new characters included.

I was referring to the 90's date of the show. How else would characters like Shadow and Rouge be in the show if they weren't introduced yet?

Bitchfests going on constantly instead of positive discussion on a long awaited season 3 isn't the worst thing ever, but not nice to read next to a great series that people have worked hard for, no-one wants comment sections to look like Nightwish youtube videos. But anyway that wasn't my point here, my main point was that the fanbase would be divided, you would get a lot of people hating the series that wouldn't have before, that is important and would very likely happen. I like where you're going with changing her character, I was going to say can't you really do that, but then again they changed the way Tails is for SatAM. But a love triangle wouldn't make sense because of what I said before, and also of all the versions of Sonic to exist, this is the Sonic that would be the most annoyed and put off by her, and I wouldn't find it funny, just an annoyingly repeating joke/gimmick as he already has Sally.

Who's to say Amy's annoying? For all we know, the SatAM depiction of the character could be more tolerable and likable than her Sega counterpart. If they can change characters like Tails and Robotnik, they could surly to the same for Amy.

You can't just say but what if it continued into X date, because it didn't, it was and feels like a 90's show, and the character designs/personalities don't match sega's newer characters basically at all.

Shows change as time passes. Had SatAM continued, there would've been lots of changes (just look at the 2nd season). But what would've happened, we don't know for sure.

Also think realistically, look how many characters you're putting into the show and have to balance screen time and side/back stories with, the show would get cluttered and the pace would be all over the place, but also by that point you're not leaving any room for original characters which should be the main focus of the show, it would just come off as unoriginal and just feel like an official sega series because there's so many of them, not feel like SatAM at all, that's also because imo, these characters simply don't fit the SatAM Universe.

Archie currently seems to be doing it well, and they have far more origonal characters than what SatAM originally had.

And since its a different continuity, the characters don't have to share the same depiction. Sonic, for example, had a different personality and backstory in SatAM than what he had in the games back then. There's no mention of South Island, badniks, the Death Egg, or anything else in SatAM.

Rotor, Antione, Bunny, Sally, Snively, (and all the others) all of these characters have interesting personalities, I can't say that about any of sega's characters, most of them are too childish and are just there to be positive protagonists, Shadow, stereotypicaly moody, 'I have a dark past' we all know the story, no one likes Big, most don't like Cream, and while you can change their characters, you're talking about how you want them in the show because you like them as they are now, if you change who they are what's the point in including them (doesn't apply to Tails). A lot of their character designs like Rouge and Shadow just don't fit to me either.

You could say the same thing for the SatAM cast. Sally's way too serious, Antoine's annoying and pointless, Bunnie hardly did anything, Snively's a stereotypical minion, ect. Yet, most people manage to see past them. Why can't the game characters be the same?

Also, I'm not talking about adding them in for the sake of adding them in. I'm talking about being creative with the subject materials and exploring them:

For example, in the SatAM universe, Shadow could be a criminal with a dark past who wishes to make things right again, but Robotnik discovers him and tricks him into commiting scandalous crimes in attempt to frame Sonic. Sonic catches onto this and tries to fight the fiend behind all this.

You see? I took the basic premise behind the character and edited it to something different and unique. Who says it can't be done with other characters?

I agree with being able to use characters from other universes in sonic, but again I feel like you're just saying "yeah throw any old character in just because you can it'll be great", well imo Sonia & Manic don't fit the show as they are either.

I said Nack the Sniper would fit, and I think so because he has a simple but cool character design that's more like SatAM's style, the cowboy hat is something you'd see a lot more in 80's/90's shows then today, and the fact that he is a sniper could have an awesome story written around it. His personality essesntially not being written by sega at all helps as well. He would be such a better character as a hired assasin, someone who works with either side then Rouge would be.

Who says it can't be done?

And besides, Manic and Sonia are just as "90's" as Nack origonally was, so what makes them so different?

[Mr Jaggers]

So, as far as settings go, what new locations should be added to Sea3on

P.S. Is there a limit to how many topics you can post?

[Uncle Ben]

So just to be a idiot in this topic and say "omg I'm totally going to add in this!!!" I decided to search for "bad sonic fan characters". Cause it's always fun to add in bad sonic fan characters. Turns out there is a page dedicated to it...

All I can say is.. If you ever made a fan character before Skylar.. I'm sorry.

I guess on the bright side if it is you who made it...Your character is in more places then you knew of!

Anyways..Onto my point I was going to get at... Don't get your hopes up for really random characters to come in.

I HIGHLY doubt mine has gotten that far.

[Aizen90]

LogiTeeka I guess I just have a different opinion of sega's characters designs and personalities and how they fit SatAM then you do that we'll have to agree to disagree on, but I have to say you're wrong about the SatAM characters, Sally's got the right attitude most of the time and when she gets too serious it's done intentionally so Sonic can call her on it. Antione for the most part is funny in how pathetic he acts, and rarely is it annoying when it isn't meant to be, him constantly shouting the curse was a little annoying for example, Bunnie helps out a lot, I don't know where you got the idea that she doesn't, she's always using her martial arts and strength in the episodes, and Snively became way less of a stereotypical minion in season 2.

Also I don't care about how comic's with probably a thousand+ episodes worth of content with tons of different arcs, universes and then many different types of sonic comics handle loads of characters, we're talking about 25 episodes (maybe more) here, it's completely different.

In the end they'll probably want to stick to what seasons 3-4 would be like (and none of season 2's changes were to do with 'the times' at all) if it continued in 1994 which believe it or not isn't filled with loads of official sega characters, they'll probably focus on their own original characters and maybe another character from the games at some point, hopefully not one that would create a shitstorm around the series. Omega would be a good character now that I think about it.

"but again I feel like you're just saying "yeah throw any old character in just because you can it'll be great""

"Who says it can't be done?"

Uh if you're disagreeing with that, exactly how I wrote it, then I don't see why people should take you seriously on this whole thing. Correct me if you were talking about something else I said.

[Vlad Yvhv]

Hopefully Alex Thron-whatever doesn't come in. (shivers)

But if other humans do come, they'd most probably side with Snively.

I mean think about it:
You come onto a planet, and all of the sudden, you think you're high because you see talking animals. And of all things, they speak english, and only the females wear clothing. Then, you see Snively, and you instantly side with him, because he is also human.

That's an awfully huge hole in logic. If you see what Snively is doing, you may side with the Mobians. Or if you even bother to talk with them...

[ILOVEVHS]

Well, I could tell you that if I had to side with either an evil little man, or a group of humanoid animals...

I'd obviously be extremely high.

[Skylar]

No, not humanoid. Anthropomorphic. What's the difference? Almost none.

[ILOVEVHS]

That's what I ment.

[Skylar]

Ment or meant?

[Hammer]

Asking the difference between humanoid and anthropomorphic is almost as pointless as between a jeweler and a jailer.

[Skylar]

I don't get it...
It could be as pointless as asking the difference between Shadow clone A and Shadow clone B.

[Hammer]

I don't get it...

2:45

[Skylar]

Wow. You really dropped the hammer on that one...

[LaserX5]

Personally, I'd like to see the Dark Egg Legion and the Destructix in overtime.

I think they'd fit the Satam universe well in the right role.

[Uncle Ben]

I'd rather not see anyone else included unless if its necessary

Personally, I'd like to see the Dark Egg Legion and the Destructix in overtime.

I think they'd fit the Satam universe well in the right role.

True as that they would fit in well as i said i'd rather not have anyone else

[Skylar]

All, the Chaos Emeralds came in in 1991 with sonic The Hedgehog, but their usefulness was only see in 1992 with Sonic 2 on Sonic 2's day (Tuesday). Knuckles came in about 2 years after in Sonic 3, and was only playable after S+K was released.

[ILOVEVHS]

NO LEGION.

NO DESTRUCTICX.

NO BULLSHIT.

ONLY METAL SONIC.